The Trojan Horse On America's Shores

[Terri]

The Trojan Horse On America's Shores

Oliver North
GOPUSA
April 1, 2005

About 3,200 years ago, the defenders of Troy, a maritime power of the day, found a large wooden horse outside the walls of their city where their foes had been encamped.

Taking this "peace offering" to be a tribute to Poseidon, the god of the seas, they dragged the horse into the city that had, until then, withstood everything their adversaries could throw against it.

More (http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/onorth/2005/on_04011.shtml)

[Texasenior]

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Now, the Bush administration is inexplicably urging that the Senate ratify the treaty, which puts 70 percent of the earth's surface under the despot-doting, corrupt and unaccountable &quot;governance&quot; of the United Nations. Advocates of ratification claim that the treaty's Reagan-era deficiencies have been corrected. It's not so. LOST is no &quot;gift from the sea.&quot; It's a Trojan horse.

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...To surrender to a manifestly corrupt U.N. bureaucracy the muscle and money envisioned by this treaty is an invitation to an assault on our sovereignty and security. Ratifying LOST is tantamount to requiring that we pay to build the Trojan Horse -- and insisting that we drag this &quot;gift from the sea&quot; inside the gates.
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Another treaty - &quot;an invitation to an assault on our sovereignty and security&quot;! *Treaties are destroying America and it will not make any difference who we send to Washington, if he/she will not stand up and fight the signing of treaties that usurp our sovereignty, our laws.

Recall the supreme court decision on the death penalty for minors and WTO demanding we re-examine the sentences of the 51 Mexican citizens - treaties, treaties.


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[casseopia]

TX Sr, is there anything we can do now that the damage is done?

I can't figure out why they keep trying to sneak all these little surprises in by attaching them to important issues that need attention. It is scary when our own government repeatedly does subversive deeds in an attempt to get their own way.

Congressmen have openly admitted that some of them don't even bother to read the entire transcripts of the bills they pass into law. Maybe someone should propose a bill that a bill can't have more than ten pages of text because the lawmakers who suffer from ADD can't follow more than that. Jeeze Louise!

[Texasenior]

Cass
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is there anything we can do now that the damage is done?
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I really do not know - President Bush managed to get us out of the part concerning the Mexican prisoners, but the WTO still monitors the other treaties we have signed - I have no idea what is in NAFTA, but I do know what Fox says about having open borders, and I have read that a NAFTA II is in the works. *It may be revisions to the original treaty! *

The web site &quot;stop the FTAA&quot; has some very good information if you want to check it out. I would suggest searching for information on LOST and contacting your representatives in Washington. *

Above all else is educating Americans -your friends, family and neighbors. You have seen first hand what NAFTA has done to your area - it will not get any better with the passing of CAFTA, FTAA, LOST and etc.

We need to start questioning the candidates about these issues!

I will see if I can find anything on LOST - if Ollie is talking about stopping it, maybe there is a group on the net we can contact.

STOP (http://www.stoptheftaa.org/ftaa/)

Below is a link that provides a letter you can e-mail to your senators asking them not to support the passage of LOST

STOP LOST (http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=6868141&type=CO)

[americanfirst]

Gee!Wiz! I don't understand how conservatives can be against this.

&quot; Lobbyists representing multi-national corporations are busy convincing U.S. senators to vote in favor of LOST, and well-funded think tanks are holding briefings to marshal support for ratification.&quot;

Above quote from the linked article.

They are the same people along with President Bush and the Republican majority that are pushing FTAA. Well funded conservative think tanks like the Heritage foundation,

&quot;In the post-Cold War era, trade must be the leading edge of U.S. foreign policy. In Latin America, we must follow the vision of the senior President Bush that trade must be the lens through which we view our Latin neighbors. That vision was enshrined in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), but it also animated his broad goals of linking all of the Americas through trade in the Enterprise of the Americas Initiative.

It is time finally to realize the vision of George H. W. Bush--and I can think of no Administration better suited to do that. [The current Bush Administration]

Implementation of a Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) would be a giant step toward implementing this vision.&quot;



Trade: A New Paradigm for U.S. Policy Toward Latin America (http://www.heritage.org/Research/TradeandForeignAid/HL727.cfm)

[Danny]

Read it again A-F.

The LOST treaty will do nothing for America but take away more of her power and limit our security. It's a BS treaty. I'd much rather have the United States military patrolling the international waters, than a bunch of corrupt self-serving tyrants!

[Old Man]

That is the problem with most of the &quot;free trade&quot; agreements. They are often smoke screens for fine print that demands certain sovereign rights of self-rule be surrendered. If the standards brought countries with oppressive rule up to &quot;free&quot; country's standards it would be one thing. Instead they often drag America down to a lower level of influence for freedom. When we lose the economic power of Amercia, we lose freedoms. We lose jobs in certain sectors that many American workers depend on. Even if we replace those jobs with others, often many aren't prepared for the transition.

We can argue who's fault that is but, with proper tax, regulation, labor laws, etc. we could keep those sectors and just add the new jobs. There will alway be factories that close because the product goes obsolete, but that is a minority occurrance. What we currently see are manufacturing jobs that aren't obsolete, just moved.

Often, Free Trade agreements do help impoverished nations. Just look how Mexico has been helped. Vincente Fox and his friends have even more wealth. Of course the working people haven't faired that well and continue to flood into the U.S. for better opportunities.

[americanfirst]

But it's got to be good if it's what the multi-nationals want! Right? You know what's good for them is good for the country. I thought that was mainstream conservative thought. It's certainly mainstream conservative think tank talk bought and paid for with the contributions of the multi-nationals.

[pRIMrose]

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Not to mention how it is improving the standard of living and personal security along our border states. Can't you just feel the love and warmth as they come streaming (unchecked) across our borders with their truckloads of........ well who knows since nobody checks......but it must be good for the economy because we see every day how much better it's getting.

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">For example: Article 144 would obligate private U.S. companies to transfer seabed mining and &quot;other&quot; technologies to a multinational U.N. bureaucracy called the &quot;International Seabed Authority.&quot; The wire diagram of this Orwellian entity looks like a rough draft of Enron's financial arrangements -- and is likely to produce enough opportunity for corruption and financial wrongdoing to give Paul Volker's U.N. Whitewash Team work for the rest of their lives.[/QUOTE]

Another dose of &quot;Kool Aid&quot; anyone? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes2.gif

[casseopia]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Not to mention how it is improving the standard of living and personal security along our border states. *Can't you just feel the love and warmth as they come streaming (unchecked) across our borders with their truckloads of........ well who knows since nobody checks......but it must be good for the economy because we see every day how much better it's getting.
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I just love this! *If I didn't know better, I'd swear you were my own sister, Prim. *But that does bring to mind a question :

I live in a border city where the economy is never up to par with the rest of the country. Sometimes I feel like this depressed economy that never seems to recover distorts my view of what is happening in the rest of the country.

I also own property and have very strong ties to an east coast resort area where property values have escalated out of sight for the average person. Grocery as well as ultility prices have risen right along with the taxes there. Both areas are overflowing with illegal immigrants.

My question is, how is the economy in the heartland of this country? Better or worse than it was say, ten years ago?
I've come to mistrust the statistics regarding unemployment, inflation and everything else. Anyone here from the heartland care to comment?

[pRIMrose]

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Over the years I've had quite a few sisters on forums Cass. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrinangelA.gif

There's another slight omission Cass, that they don't like to acknowledge when it comes to &quot;fair and balanced&quot; reporting of the economy. Our economy is based on extraordinary debt. Americans have never in the history of this country been this deep in debt with so little savings. This morning I paid $2.40 for a gallon of hi test gas. It was 4 cents cheaper yesterday. And tomorrow it will likely be higher. If it were just gas I wouldn't really worry. But we all know that gas impacts everything we buy. It's called inflation. Although they are loathe to call the upsurge in energy, food or healtcare the &quot;I&quot; word. Only widgets and geegaws going up constitutes inflation. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes2.gif

There's an old saying that goes ~ &quot;you can pay me now, or pay me later.&quot; We have been on the &quot;pay me later&quot; plan ever since Greenspan decided to artificially manipulate the money and interest rates. When so much of the economy and GDP depends on consumer spending and manufacturing jobs have left in droves, it's difficult for me to correlate &quot;strong economy&quot; and &quot;debt&quot; in the trillions and growing.

I'm certainly no economist, but when Warrent Buffet isn't buying stocks or real estate, I take notice. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin2.gif

So far the balancing act (sometimes euphemistically refered to as &quot;smoke &amp; mirrors) http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laff.gif has worked. But if the dominoes ever start to fall, look out below.

I'm not predicting a catastropic depression. But I am predicting a day of reckoning. Some will come out unscathed, but many will be in for a rude awakening.

[casseopia]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">But if the dominoes ever start to fall, look out below.
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Isn't that the truth, Prim. So, are you saying that you think, as I do, that things aren't really rosy anywhere, just disguised for some ulterior motive?

As we get ready to retire, I know we are getting our feet dipped into cold water again and again what with gas prices, utility prices, taxes, and food prices--the things we cannot do without --rising steadily. That is not to mention the medical costs that could wipe out a life savings in less than a year if a catostrophic illness should occur. Yes, we can buy insurance, but at what cost? When we do fork over the better part of a thousand dollars a month to some health insurance company and never use it, then how angry will we be? It's a tough decision.

Even with everything paid off and every doo-dad and gadget we ever wished for already in our possession, we still have to eat, wear clothes and have a roof over our heads.

It is one big vicious circle. I don't like the looks of it at all. I'm not predicting a depression, either, but I can see some tough times on the horizon unles Uncle Sam manages to rein in the horses and get them back on course. Right now, too few seem to realize that the &quot;horses&quot; are running wild.

[Texasenior]

pRimrose
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Not to mention how it is improving the standard of living and personal security along our border states. *Can't you just feel the love and warmth as they come streaming (unchecked) across our borders with their truckloads of........ well who knows since nobody checks......but it must be good for the economy because we see every day how much better it's getting.
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Yes, yes, truckloads of .....

Take a look at the following - scroll down to the bottom of page 3 and start reading at &quot;NAFTA sets food other policies&quot; the whole page is very informative as to the control NAFTA has over our country, Mexico and Canada. I can't help but wonder exactly what all is in that &quot;1,000 page treaty&quot;.

NAFTA (http://www.citizen.org/documents/NAFTA_10_democracy.p df)

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There's another slight omission Cass, that they don't like to acknowledge when it comes to &quot;fair and balanced&quot; reporting of the economy.
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Another &quot;slight omission&quot; is in unemployment figures - when you have drawn all benefits and still not working, you are no longer reported in the unemployment figures - we have many people in this country without jobs and drawing no benefits.

I am no economist, but I did not realize one had to have all that much of an education to know that &quot;our country opening its doors to products made by people drawing 16 and 18 cents per hour would eventually put our people out of work&quot;.

From the very start of trying to pass NAFTA, there has been support for it, and those who spoke against - I was always against it and I can recall Ross Perot saying &quot;you will hear that whooshing sound of jobs going south&quot; - and why not, look at the cost of labor.

Now we still have the two groups and LOST, CAFTA and FTAA waiting in the wings, if they are passed and turn out to be as good for us as NAFTA, God help us.

I believe Ollie is right and I am thankful he had the courage to speak out.


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[casseopia]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">From the very start of trying to pass NAFTA, there has been support for it, and those who spoke against - I was always against it and I can recall Ross Perot saying &quot;you will hear that whooshing sound of jobs going south&quot; - and why not, look at the cost of labor.
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I think even Ross Perot failed to detect that the whooshing noise was like a tide, where the whooshing noise came back in the form of illegal immigrants by the millions rushing across the border.

[Texasenior]

Cass
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I think even Ross Perot failed to detect that the whooshing noise was like a tide, where the whooshing noise came back in the form of illegal immigrants by the millions rushing across the border.
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A double whammy - millions rushing across the border to take our jobs. He most likely did not have the privilege of reading NAFTA and had no idea what it would do to the Mexican rual economy.

[casseopia]

Actually, I don't think the Mexicans are overly fond of it, either. Every year at harvest time, they pitch a fit and &quot;demonstrate&quot; on the bridges because they can't get enough for their produce.

I just came from the grocery store a few minutes ago. Some guy with Mexican license plates was selling oranges out of the back of a pick up truck in the parking lot. Do you have any idea how badly I wanted to ask him to see his permit to sell them in this city?

I have to buy a permit to sell tablecloths and place mats that I sell at craft fairs. He is supposed to have an even higher priced permit to sell food. The reason I didn't ask? Fear. I'm outnumbererd 5 to 1 plus I don't know what else he may be selling or who he's selling it for. Trusting soul, aren't I?