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jackbenimble
02-07-2005, 08:41 AM
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE"> Migrants help make Valley No. 1 for ID theft (http://www.eastvalleytribun e.com/index.php?sty=35941)

Problems with identity theft have left a Mesa plumber’s life in shambles, and he can no longer pay his home mortgage and credit card bills on time.
He is about to lose his home. His wife and four kids face an uncertain future.
Some would call Andres Vazquez a victim.

But Vazquez is, in fact, the thief — one of thousands of illegal immigrants who contribute to Arizona’s high identity theft rates.

In most identity theft cases, a drug abuser uses personal data to steal money from a victim’s bank or credit card account.

However, local police said that up to 20 percent of cases involve immigrants who take information for a less malevolent purpose — to get a job and settle into an average American lifestyle.

Whatever the intent, the crime of &quot;taking the identity of another&quot; in Arizona is a felony that merits probation or jail time. Vazquez, 34, has been in jail since August, unable to bail out because immigration officials intend to deport him. He was convicted last week and will be sentenced in March for using the Social Security number of a New York woman. A former resident of Nogales, Mexico, Vazquez has lived and worked in the United States for a decade.

Vazquez told Mesa police he made up the Social Security number when he first arrived and has been using it ever since. The number has allowed him to work, buy a home, obtain utility services and open credit card accounts.

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Identity theft has come up in a couple of other threads lately so I thought I would post this article.

The author is obviously sympathetic to the illegals. His perverse reasoning is that since we did not enforce our immigration laws and he was able to come and stay, he should also not enforce our identify theft laws by punishing this guy and that in fact we should give him a social security number so he would not need to committ this second crime and so it would be easier for him to committ the first crimes. Sheesh!

Regards,
Jack

casseopia
02-08-2005, 08:05 PM
Boo, hoo, hoo!

I don't feel one bit sorry for the guy. But I DO feel sorry for the person whose social security number he stole. He may say he &quot;made it up&quot; but regardless of how he got it, it is illegal and breaking the law and getting caught should result in punishment.

I'm glad he got caught and I hope he remembers to tell his friends who think they might want to try the same thing what happens when you got caught.

I think they guy or woman who employed him should be sitting in the pokey right next to him.

Let's help catch some more!

sillzmom
02-09-2005, 03:26 PM
http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Is this for real?! *Ok, so his &quot;identity&quot; got stolen and now he's &quot;lost everything&quot;...right? *I say what goes around comes around and he's gotten his due for his own crimes!
In the little town I live in our crime rate has risen with the &quot;illegal&quot; population-just recently a ring of drug smugglers/criminals was just busted for the sale and trafficking in, mfg. of several drugs,and unregistered weapons possessions. *And another incident where a truck-driver was forced to the side of the road and robbed at gunpoint-by someone who didn't even speak english! They are/were all
&quot;ILLEGAL's&quot;, now our county is going to &quot;support&quot; them in prison with 3 squares and a cot! *And lets not forget their free medical/dental plan either! ...what say you about closing our borders...?...I say SHUT 'EM DOWN!!!!

casseopia
02-09-2005, 04:03 PM
sillzmom, welcome aboard! I'm delighted to see that there are other people who are sick and tired of getting treated like third class citizens by our own government because they are too busy taking care of illegals!

Where I am, people who don't speak Spanish (well, not really Spanish but that slang-infested Spanish) can't get a job. Apparently, the people who speak Spanish don't have to know how to speak English or else they lied to get hired.

Sounds like you are in one of those communities the drug people have taken over to build meth labs. Every now and again a house blows up here. They blame it on the &quot;gas&quot; but I have a feeling it isn't the same kind of gas people cook and heat with. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Anyway, welcome again. And don't forget to sign the petition supporting Sensenbrenner's Drivers license bill. At least someone is trying and we need to give those who are all the support we can.

casseopia
02-09-2005, 04:08 PM
OOPS! I got so excited to see a new name that I almost forgot why I was replying:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Ok, so his &quot;identity&quot; got stolen and now he's &quot;lost everything&quot;...right? I say what goes around comes around and he's gotten his due for his own crimes!
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The illegal immigrant's identity wasn't stolen. He was using someone else's social security number! And he got caught! I just love it http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

jackbenimble
02-09-2005, 04:28 PM
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">I don't feel one bit sorry for the guy. But I DO feel sorry for the person whose social security number he stole. He may say he &quot;made it up&quot; but regardless of how he got it, it is illegal and breaking the law and getting caught should result in punishment.[/QUOTE]

You know who else should be punished is the credit card company and the mortgage banks that gave this illegal the loans.

They have access to the credit reporting bureaus and they KNEW damn well that this guy's fake Social Security Number did not match his name but they were so eager to make a buck they gave him credit anyway. I think by extending him credit under these fraudulent circumstances that they were complicit in the identify theft.

I would recommend the following policy changes:

1. All collection remedies and legal recourse normally available to banks and financial institutions should be removed if they make a loan to somebody using a fake social security number. If they loan the illegal money to buy a house and he fails to make the mortgage payments their right of foreclosure should not be available to them. They just bought the illegal a house. That would put a stop to the credit for illegals.

2. The legitimate owner of the social security number should be able to sue financial institutions for each instance where they accepted a fake social security number and the fact that they did it should be considered prima facie evidence of guilt carrying a penalty of not less than $10K per occurence plus legal fees.

There is no reason for us to tolerate this nonsense and banks have available and should be using the tools that would prevent these thefts. We need to shift the pain and inconvenience from the citizens to the banks.

Regards,
Jack

casseopia
02-09-2005, 06:03 PM
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">They have access to the credit reporting bureaus and they KNEW damn well that this guy's fake Social Security Number did not match his name but they were so eager to make a buck they gave him credit anyway. I think by extending him credit under these fraudulent circumstances that they were complicit in the identify theft.
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If they didn't know it, then they weren't doing their job. And it could be that the guy just happened to have a friend &quot;inside&quot; who was a party to his scheme and, if so, that is another crime.