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Terri
10-13-2004, 03:42 PM
O'Reilly Hit With Sex Harass Suit

The Smoking Gun
October 13, 2004

Female Fox coworker details lewd behavior of cable TV star
OCTOBER 13--Hours after Bill O'Reilly accused her of a multimillion shakedown attempt, a female Fox News producer fired back at the TV star, filing a lawsuit claiming that he subjected her to repeated instances of sexual harassment and spoke often, and explicitly, to her about phone sex, vibrators, threesomes, masturbation, the loss of his virginity, and sexual fantasies. Below you'll find a copy of Andrea Mackris's complaint, an incredible page-turner that quotes O'Reilly on all sorts of lewd matters. Based on the extensive quotations cited in the complaint, it appears a safe bet that Mackris recorded some of O'Reilly's more steamy soliloquies.

More (http://www.thesmokinggun.co m/archive/1013043mackris1.html )

pRIMrose
10-13-2004, 04:05 PM
With my slow dial-up I haven't been able to read all the pages. However, if what I have read is true, Mr. O'Reilly may be in for a bumpy ride. It really escapes me that a man of his intellect (if not integrity) would not be smarter than to let himself get caught up in this smarmy type stuff. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes2.gif If this can be proved, he can kiss his career "adios" and take up border watching. Won't Jesse Jackson be laughing himself silly at this one.

In all fairness, if this woman is lying and trying to shake him down, I hope they throw the book at her.

Idpatriot
10-13-2004, 04:13 PM
I can't say I'm surprised by this. Just reading the first story, the language sounds exactly like BOR's language...that is just how he talks, even on the radio.

I've heard him on his radio show say things to Lis Wiel that were rather on the edge!

BOR has become pompous and egostistical! When somebody gets that high and mighty, they usually are brought back down and humbled by something like this!

It will be interesting to see what happens with this....

Denise

SpicyTexan
10-13-2004, 04:17 PM
BOR just needs to GO! a GONER! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif

stormy
10-13-2004, 06:43 PM
Oh, Billy Boy, might I suggest you go read WHO'S LOOKING OUT FOR YOU The http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif made me say that and I just couldn't resist!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laff.gif

TXN4EVER
10-13-2004, 06:57 PM
Shakedown or true,O'Reilly did say the dem-obstructionists and other liberals would be out to destroy him in any way they could.And this "producer" did leave Fox and work at cnn for a while before coming back.And now.lo and behold,we have a sexual harassment lawsuit asking for millions of dollars. Can you say set-up,boys and girls? I am not O'reilly"s biggest fan. In fact,I have stopped watching him entirely.His "fairness" and " no spin" have recently began to reek of pandering.But,this does not pass the smell test.Recordings which can be very selectively edited.And even though it hurts to say and hear,there are women who will get these types of conversations started and then keep them going in order to hurt the other person or to get them in deep doo-doo.And it may have worked this time.

soccermamamia
10-13-2004, 07:14 PM
I agree with all of the above commentary. BOR needs a dose of humility and his shows have reeked recently of pandering vs. no spin and fair and balanced. Regardless of his ticking me off with that, I find it difficult to believe that he would be that stupid and I am more inclined to believe that this was a set up and any recording was set up and doctored up. There are ways to detect that too. In short, I would vigorously defend him in the name of justice. As a female attorney, I detest phony cases generated by greed and politics which undermine the very cause of women and minorities who legitimately seek redress and fair treatment under the law.

It will be sad to see BOR's career hurt but FOX News and his legacy will prevail. Sean Hannity is still there tried and true as well as many others. Fox will endure with no problem.

I hope BOR prevails and whats her face is exposed as the phony bimbo she probably is.

azwhitewolf
10-13-2004, 07:15 PM
Leaving his pregnant wife home and looking forwards to "hot Italian sex"? Threesomes? "Training" women in bed?

I'm not a big fan of BOR (I know many of you are), but even this kind of content seems a little over the top. How can a guy who watched Bill Clinton get roasted publically (and extensively reported it) think that he was somehow less susceptible to the same treatment?

(Except that BOR might actually lose his job without an act of congress)

Either way, the fact that he wasn't able to keep himself above reproach leaves him in this position. Maybe he would be better off if he had a male counterpart to keep him in check when he's on the road. Errr... one who is NOT into threesomes.

lpara
10-13-2004, 08:17 PM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>BOR continually had pornographic material on his shows a while ago, so often that we decided we were never going to watch him again. When he interviewed Laura Bush, we watched it, but other than that, we don't. So my point is, not one word of what I read (just the two paragraph's posted here) surprises me in the least. He's perverted IMNSHO. I think the woman is telling the truth just from what I've seen him do on his own show. If she's not, throw the book at her.</span>

papajaxxx
10-13-2004, 10:15 PM
This will be interesting to follow.

I'm impressed with the court papers being filed today and already on the internet. Ain't technology great?

Big brother's watching, but it ain't the government, it's the internet teckies.

McMahon
10-13-2004, 10:48 PM
What bugs me in the paperwork is paragraph 11 BOR utilize this forum to preach the principles of the so-called &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot; espoused by George W. Bush and the Republican Party.

Does the contents of BOR's shows have anything to do with the lawsuit? Furthermore, can anyone prove that BOR's agenda is &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot;?

It is as appropriate as bringing in Christopher Reeve or Ronald Reagan or &quot;Two Americas&quot; into the lawsuit. Or invoking the pope because BOR is catholic.

lpara
10-13-2004, 11:16 PM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>BOR is adamantly against being labeled as a compassionate conservative. He's proudly (and stupidly) Independent (and I don't mean that every independent is stupid, just him http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ). He thinks this will get him more watchers, plus he hates a lot of conservative values. So whoever quoted that, McMahon is off their rocker.</span>

McMahon
10-13-2004, 11:24 PM
Quote[/b] (lpara @ Oct. 13, 2004 -- 12:16 am)]So whoever quoted that, McMahon is off their rocker.
Thank you, Ipara, you made my point.

MudPuppy
10-14-2004, 06:28 AM
Quote[/b] (McMahon @ Oct. 13, 2004 -- 9:48 pm)]What bugs me in the paperwork is paragraph 11 BOR utilize this forum to preach the principles of the so-called &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot; espoused by George W. Bush and the Republican Party.

Does the contents of BOR's shows have anything to do with the lawsuit? Furthermore, can anyone prove that BOR's agenda is &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot;?

It is as appropriate as bringing in Christopher Reeve or Ronald Reagan or &quot;Two Americas&quot; into the lawsuit. Or invoking the pope because BOR is catholic.
Yeah… That bugs me too McMahon. This statement certainly seems completely irrelevant to a sexual harassment lawsuit.

Also, there's this statement in paragraph 56 attributed to BOR:&quot;Ailes knows very powerful people and this goes all the way to the top&quot; Plaintiff queries: &quot;Top of what?&quot; Defendant responded: &quot;Top of the country…&quot; http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/noway.gif

How convenient to have such suggestive innuendo in a high profile lawsuit made public? There are a couple of others too, allegations which have great political potency, but seem completely out of place given the specific nature of the charges and defendants. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky2.gif

pigskinner
10-14-2004, 01:07 PM
Set up....Setup.....Setu p........ ???i am not one to go into conspiracy theories ,and my wife does not like him, but i watch him often and do find some of his actions pompous...but sometimes that needs to be used on the pompous ones he interviews http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif .it will be very hard for bill to overcome this .....if its a setup..... http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif lets all stay tuned,this is going to be fodder for the left ...and we sure dont need there help;;;

Tyler2
10-14-2004, 02:35 PM
I read through all 22 pages of the legal papers. As my husband, a brother, a sister, a niece, and a nephew (and a brother-in-law) are attorneys, I've read a few legal papers.

I found it to be a curiously unprofessional mish-mash of
1-overt political activism and
2-something that seemed to have had a writer for a daytime soap opera as one of the co-authors.

Some of the claims are almost too preposterous to be believed. Bringing up such questions as: WHY in the world would she (if she's so innocent?) repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, go out to dinner with him if he had conversations that were so offensive to her? Hasn't she ever heard of: &quot;No!&quot;? And WHY would she stay on the telephone with him all the way through the completion of a singular &quot;personal experience&quot; on his part? And WHY would she continue to have a relationship (any kind of relationship) with him for years, (YEARS!) if she did not find it to her benefit?

MONEY? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ne_nau.gif
Looks awfully suspicious to me. She had a salary in excess of $60,000.oo when she was at CNN. That wasn't enough? She wanted $73,000.oo to return to FOX.

The self-aggrandizement and fame that she, as a leftist, might think comes from posturing of a &quot;herioc&quot; victim and helpless maiden?
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THAT? and money?
Hmmm... http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/pauk.gif

Why does the name Linda Tripp spring to mind?
Sorry, folks, her story seems, um, well... sorta contrived.
Over an extended period of time.

Duncan
10-14-2004, 02:46 PM
Bill seems to wave the flag for both sides, which is not the definition of an independent, more like an opportunist if you ask me. Can someone tell me why this harrassment deal is fodder for his talking points memo??? Sheesh, talk about airing your dirty laundry. What is he innoculating himself in advance?

JeanneSullivan
10-14-2004, 02:49 PM
I just heard about this O'Reilly story yesterday on the Howie Carr talk radio show, and to say I was &quot;stunned&quot; (a favorite O'Reilly saying,) is an understatement! I can't say I'm totally surprised though, because he has had numerous sex-related stories on his show for a long time. He seems to be especially fond of college age kids and dorm antics. Many times my husband and I have commented to each other that Bill O'Reilly seems to be obsessed with sex, and now it appears we may be right! What really irks me, is that he sits there on his show and pontificates and tells everybody how to live. He may be one of the biggest hypocrites around!

Freedom Seldar
10-14-2004, 02:56 PM
Oh this is ridiculous. I doubt anyone truly believes these allegations.

mtnwoods
10-14-2004, 04:29 PM
Quote[/b] ]Oh this is ridiculous. I doubt anyone truly believes these allegations. Freedom, obviously, a lot of people believe this.

Quote[/b] ]What bugs me in the paperwork is paragraph 11 BOR utilize this forum to preach the principles of the so-called &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot; espoused by George W. Bush and the Republican Party.
Quote[/b] ]Also, there's this statement in paragraph 56 attributed to BOR:&quot;Ailes knows very powerful people and this goes all the way to the top&quot; Plaintiff queries: &quot;Top of what?&quot; Defendant responded: &quot;Top of the country…&quot; http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/noway.gif
McMahon and Mudpup, do you think this could be part of the dems &quot;October surprise&quot;? Maybe they are trying to get the Bush admin involved in this. This looks like someone trying to discredit Fox too. I mean, they are only going to get more viewers from the scandals going on, so maybe someone decided to try to try to plug the dam.

Look, I don't like O'Reilly. I think he has totally blown several interviews lately. I think he has become pompous and arrogant. I love how he acts like his radio show is the only one on between 12-3. Yeah Bill, you wouldn't be on the radio or Fox without Rush!

Quote[/b] ]Why does the name Linda Tripp spring to mind? Tyler2, what do you mean by this? I don't see a correlation here.

MudPuppy
10-14-2004, 06:18 PM
Quote[/b] (mtnwoods @ Oct. 14, 2004 -- 3:29 pm)]McMahon and Mudpup, do you think this could be part of the dems &quot;October surprise&quot;? *Maybe they are trying to get the Bush admin involved in this. *This looks like someone trying to discredit Fox too. *I mean, they are only going to get more viewers from the scandals going on, so maybe someone decided to try to try to plug the dam.
Yep… Could be…

As for the allegations against BOR, I can't say. There may be some truth to them, I’d like to hear the evidence, particularly if the plaintiff taped any of the alleged telephone conversations. Some of the things BOR allegedly said to the plaintiff would have no purpose in a superior/subordinate business relationship even if they were working on such unseemly subject matter for production on “The O’Reilly Factor”. I don't quite buy the &quot;set-up&quot; angle though. It would seem that BOR proved to be very cooperative in his own demise.

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. BOR filing a lawsuit may have just been a preemptive strike to mitigate the impact of the Plaintiffs charges against him. However, if the evidence proves to be merely circumstantial without any actual evidence of the alleged lascivious conversation attributed to BOR by the Plaintiff, then a shake down seems to me to be much more likely.

Tyler2 and others have noted that some of this young woman’s claims are simply too preposterous to be believed. I have particular difficulty with her returning to work for BOR at Fox if the situation there was as bad as she has alleged. Also, the lawsuit makes no mention of any internal remedial action being sought which is commonly available at most businesses to aggrieved parties nowadays. I mean Roger Ailes is named as a officer of the defendant enterprise, yet there is no mention of her ever reporting BOR’s alleged conduct to his superior, Ailes. There’s something fishy about that.

At any rate, I agree with Tyler2, the lawsuit reads like a Class B soap opera. But I felt the same way about Ken Star’s report on Clinton’s escapades, so this may simply be due to the subject matter. The language of the lawsuit does entertain some of the liberal's conspiracy fantasies and makes quite a few seemingly unrelated, yet politically damaging inferences to conservatives in general, President Bush personally, as well as to Roger Ailes and Fox News. I guess they couldn’t figure out a way to tie any of this to Rupert Murdoch.

So, yes maybe this IS their &quot;October surprise&quot;, somewhat clumsy, but certainly surprising nevertheless.

Markvh
10-14-2004, 06:56 PM
I've been a fan of BOR since the good ole days of impeachment, read a couple of his books, watch him almost every night. While I don't always agree with him, his views tend to swing a little to the right.

For whatever reasons, though, he has recently made a hard turn to the left. I recently had the occasion for the first time to hear his radio show for three days straight, and it was HORRRRRIBLE!!! I've had a hard time watching his TV show since. His treatment of John O'Neill, after ignoring the story for 3 weeks, was less than &quot;fair and balanced&quot;. I suspect this was due to the effort to get Lurch on the show.

I know he has this new book out there, but what's up with all the appearances recently on the alphabet channels talk shows? He's on now, so I gotta see what Ann Coulter has in store for him tonight.

McMahon
10-14-2004, 07:22 PM
Quote[/b] (mtnwoods @ Oct. 13, 2004 -- 5:29 pm)]McMahon and Mudpup, do you think this could be part of the dems &quot;October surprise&quot;?
Remember the forged CBS memos? &quot;Even though the documents are false, the accusations are true&quot;

The base or truth of an accusation is irrelevant to the accuser. What matters to the accuser is the accusation.

MudPuppy
10-14-2004, 09:17 PM
Quote[/b] (McMahon @ Oct. 14, 2004 -- 6:22 pm)]Remember the forged CBS memos? &quot;Even though the documents are false, the accusations are true&quot;

The base or truth of an accusation is irrelevant to the accuser. What matters to the accuser is the accusation.
So this time it's; &quot;the accusations are true even though the accuser is lying&quot;?

Now there's some pretty tortured logic. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

laurita_a
10-14-2004, 11:33 PM
When I heard about this I was not surprised. Like BOR said, this is what happens to famous people. I don't believe her one bit. You don't go back to a job after you have been harassed. Puhleeze.

What is with all the BOR bashing? Sex is a topic a lot on his show because its prevalence is the cause of many problems. I am certainly happy he has put the fire on NAMBLA. Somebody has to. He was also there putting the charities under scrutiny after 9/11. I don't always agree with him either, but he definitely fills a void in journalism today.

ladybug_guam
10-15-2004, 01:34 AM
http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Well, I think this is just the beginning of thinks to come from the demwits. Like my husband says, they are desperate and they'll do anything they can to win.
I watch O'Reilly, and as many of you, sometimes I don't agree with him, but this is too bizarre... he's a smart man and he, of all people, knows better than to let himself exposed like that.
The problem is that it will affect Fox, just before the election, God help us... they are probably making up all kind of stories to be released just before the election so as to not give the 'accused' anytime to defend themselves.
Also, 'I'm surprised' at how many people are saying 'they are NOT surprised&quot;.... It's not only in this case but in many, for example: the Columbine tragedy comes to mind I heard many comments like 'I'm not surprised, it was bound to happen' or 'it's terrible, but I'm not surprised' at the beheading of the kidnapped in Iraq..... or 9/11 and so many more tragedies....ok, so, what's surprises us?... a good cup of coffee? Good service at a restaurant? Somebody holding the door open for us?
It's all upside down, the banal thinks surprise us and the important thing don't.
Let's just pray and hope that President Bush wins http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I won't be surprised http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif *and the rest will weed itself out!
God bless President Bush, and let's pray for the misguided of our country!
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PoolGuy
10-15-2004, 01:49 AM
I read the pages and noted that the first few were leagalize and pointing out that Fox News is BOR's employer. A big point was made about Fox News. Gee I wonder why?
The timing is suspect, the idea that an employee would listen to all this junk and stay employed and go out to dinner scores of times with BOR, the fact she wanted to return to BOR's show, etc. makes this a setup.
And, the accuser was watching Bush on TV in BOR's hotel room and made fun of Bush. Not a surprise, but why mention that she's a lefty in the brief? If its true she's dumb for letting it happen and must have dreamed this deal up to hurt Fox News, BOR and conservatives.
Do you think the accuser knows Anita Hill?

Bob Honiker
10-15-2004, 02:21 AM
Anyone else notice a connection being attempted between this and The President? What could BORs support of whoever have to do with this? If BOR supported the Dali Lama would it have been even mentioned?

Tyler2
10-15-2004, 04:30 AM
Quote[/b] ]Quote *
Why does the name Linda Tripp spring to mind?
Tyler2, what do you mean by this? *I don't see a correlation here. *Linda Tripp was taped in a telephone conversation, encouraging Monica Lewinski *to tape telephone conversations between Monica and then-President Clinton for the purpose of gathering proof of the &quot;nature&quot; of the relationship between them.

I liked Bill O'Reillly at first, and admittedly, over time, he has seemed to have become more than a bit pompous. *Annoyingly so.

I've never been a conspiracy theorist, but this whole extended &quot;affair&quot; smacks of a set-up. *

What I'm saying is that perhaps the same dynamic is at play. *Leading O'Reilly to say things he might not otherwise have said without extended encouragement on her part (judiciously edited). *As part of her foolish plan to extort money and gain political power.

Bob Honiker
10-15-2004, 04:51 AM
Got to believe in conspiracies, nothing in politics is an accident. Why else is BORs theme of any relevance to the charges? The case does not need to go anywhere, it is just a fresh load of mud to sling, by the time it is settled the damage is done.
The mental level the dems are targeting now is the lowest, the most easily frightened and led. They need loud messages to reach them, but once They are programmed it is impossible to change Them. There are masters of psychology running this thing, deceit is a specialty.

MudPuppy
10-15-2004, 05:41 AM
Quote[/b] (Bob Honiker @ Oct. 15, 2004 -- 3:51 am)]Got to believe in conspiracies, nothing in politics is an accident. Why else is BORs theme of any relevance to the charges? *The case does not need to go anywhere, it is just a fresh load of mud to sling, by the time it is settled the damage is done.
The mental level the dems are targeting now is the lowest, the most easily frightened and led. They need loud messages to reach them, but once They are programmed it is impossible to change Them. There are masters of psychology running this thing, deceit is a specialty.
Indeed, a person's character is the easiest of all things to destroy… A mere word will slay it.

Trust is a house of cards; it is painstaking built over long periods of time, yet the slightest ill wind can bring it down.

So by time all this gets sorted out in the courts, if ever, the desired affect will have already been acomplished, the damage of &quot;doubt&quot; being already done.

Original Rebel
10-15-2004, 09:58 PM
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When I first heard of BOR, I became a pretty good fan. *However, recently, I've been taking him with a keg of salt.

I do however, agree with Tyler2 and Laurita. *I think that he's been targeted as the &quot;next&quot; (misconstrued &quot;righty&quot;) to be attacked with scandal. *DOES ANYONE REMEMBER RUSH LIMBAUGH? *He's the first one to be &quot;exposed&quot; for some sort of &quot;aberrant&quot; behavior (according to the Demoncraps). *They are out to GET all of the right wingers regardless, and I would not put it past them at all to have dreamed this scenario up and hired this broad to pull it off. *We all know that the alpha soup channels want to permanently put an end to FOX because it has seriously dented their ratings and blew their credibility plumb out of the water!!!

But, then again, I could be wrong and he's a dirty ol' man. *In this case, I'm afraid we'll just have to wait and see.

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mtnwoods
10-15-2004, 11:36 PM
OR, your post reminded me of something I heard Ann Coulter say in an interview on Hannity's radio show. She and Hannity were talking about how the left tries the character assasination route with the big name conservative media people. Coulter said she had a letter from a PI to her ex-boyfriend asking for dirt. She said her ex gave it to her after he received it. I remember Hannity telling a story about Ed Asner saying something to a friend of Hannity's at a party after the whole Rush thing came out. He said something to the effect of &quot;Like what we did to Rush? Hannity is next.&quot; These people will stoop to any level to get power back. They think they &quot;deserve&quot; to be in power.

Also, Tyler, the Linda Tripp thing still doesn't remind me of this, but PoolGuy, Anita Hill was what I was also thinking. Follow the man around to jobs, but he is harrassing you? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif These are fine examples for the feminist movement.

lpara
10-16-2004, 01:15 AM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>I'm not trying to be a downer . . . BUT, alot of what was brought out on Rush was true . . . He was addicted to drugs (although the left media brought all kinds of other bizarro things into it) and I still say that alot of this on BOR could be true, also. He said himself on Regis &amp; Kelly (I saw a clip on Scarborough) that he has a big mouth, he says a lot of things he shouldn't, he's Irish http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tqrolleyes.gif Not exactly a denial. I believe that it is probable that he has been disgusting and I also believe that this girl is out to get him for whatever reason, be it political or whatever. I also heard they were heavy into negotiations and he offered her 60 mil to keep quiet, and then all of a sudden came after her with extortion. She was stupid to let it go on so long, if it is true. What stupid media people believe O'Reilly is a RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/qmark.gif</span>

laurita_a
10-16-2004, 01:29 AM
Quote[/b] ]BUT, alot of what was brought out on Rush was true . . . He was addicted to drugs

The only thing true was his addiction. *Strange how he was condemned and yet people like Robert Downey, Jr. are celebrated.

Quote[/b] ]He said himself on Regis &amp; Kelly (I saw a clip on Scarborough) that he has a big mouth, he says a lot of things he shouldn't, he's Irish * Not exactly a denial.

And hardly an admission of guilt.

Quote[/b] ] also heard they were heavy into negotiations and he offered her 60 mil to keep quiet, and then all of a sudden came after her with extortion.

Granted O'Reilly has some money, but not $60 million. *Besides the fact that such a large amount of money as an offer would be insanity. *Not even Michael Jackson is accused of a payoff that high. *$60M as a demand, which is what I have heard, certainly sounds more like the truth.

Quote[/b] ]She was stupid to let it go on so long, if it is true.

Let it go on so long? *How about coming back to work for the man that &quot;supposedly&quot; harassed you? *That is the smoking gun here in my opinion. *Even if he did make inappropriate comments, her apparent indifference to them discredits her entire case. *You don't quit and come back if the behavior disturbs. *I mean, really.

lpara
10-16-2004, 02:35 AM
<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>I'm not defending either one, laurita, and right, maybe I shouldn't have said alot in mentioning Rush's problem. I felt really bad about his addiction and didn't hold it against him at all. Who knows what a person will do in the same circumstances?

They said that 60 mil is how much O'Reilly brings in to the network, and maybe the higher ups were involved in trying to keep this quiet http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ne_nau.gif I have no idea.

I agree . . . she was stupid to go back and work for him and then try to make a case against him. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/doh.gif I think she definitely participated in the conversations and maybe she saw a chance for some moolah . . . I don't know. I still think he's a jerk and probably said and did everything she's accusing him of. She supposedly has a tape. Her motive may have been all along to get him so she could be a jerk too, but I'm not at all surprised that he went along with any sexual games. He's a pervert, if you ask me. My 22 year old son said he was sick of listening to his radio program and never would again, because the last time he listened to him, he had a Playboy magazine there with him and he was explicitly explaining what he was looking at (this was a while ago). That is perversion, IMNSHO. Even Sean Hannity talks about how stupid men are to have playboy. So you believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe and we'll see in the end (if it ever comes out). http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif</span>

MudPuppy
10-16-2004, 06:19 AM
Quote[/b] (lpara @ Oct. 16, 2004 -- 12:15 am)]I also heard they were heavy into negotiations and he offered her 60 mil to keep quiet, and then all of a sudden came after her with extortion.
Where did you hear this?

I suspected something like this.

Leave off with all this stuff about the Left &quot;out to get&quot; somebody. It sounds like Clinton redux. Those out to get someone would have grabbed air if there hadn’t' been something there for &quot;them&quot; to get. Moreover, just like Clinton, if these allegations prove to be true in fact, O’Reilly the man has shown himself to be incredibly stupid.

I mean he KNEW, &quot;they&quot; were out to get him, didn't he? Just like when Clinton was carrying on with a twenty-two year old, star struck intern, in the Whitehouse no less, while he knew he was at that time under investigation for malfeasance involving his White Water business dealings. Talk about life in the fishbowl. So why provide “them” with opportunity? How stupid can a man be? (Don’t answer that!)

If someone concocted lies to malign another’s character, then perhaps I could entertain the idea that something untoward and akin to character assassination has happened. But if &quot;digging up dirt&quot; is simply exposing to public ridicule something a person is, in fact, actually doing or has done, even where motives may be questionable, then it isn't exactly digging for dirt in my view. Such a one IS dirty, or at the very least has been at some point.

I've sat on jury panels involving drug stings, where the defendant has tried to claim entrapment by the law enforcement authorities. In practically every instance such defenses don't afford any legal protection because someone who’s NOT already predisposed to sell drugs simply would not, and could not, be induced to do so. I know I wouldn't, and there is no promise of money or anything else that would entice me to voluntarily do so.

Bob Honiker
10-16-2004, 07:04 AM
This has become the most active thread on the forum. Why?
Too late for damage control here!
Hammer back, We have the ammo!

gollymolly
10-16-2004, 10:13 AM
I don't like BOR, but I have to say this is suspicious. She is claiming this harassment happened between 2000 and 2004. 4 YEARS. Then she left her job and went to none other than CNN. Doesn't this smell to anyone else. Why did she return to Fox?
I believe this is a total smear campaign. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag19.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif

lpara
10-16-2004, 05:21 PM
Quote[/b] ]Where did you hear this?

<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Scarborough Country http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif I know, I know http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif</span>

Quote[/b] ]If someone concocted lies to malign another’s character, then perhaps I could entertain the idea that something untoward and akin to character assassination has happened. But if &quot;digging up dirt&quot; is simply exposing to public ridicule something a person is, in fact, actually doing or has done, even where motives may be questionable, then it isn't exactly digging for dirt in my view. Such a one IS dirty, or at the very least has been at some point.

<span style='font-family:comic sans ms'>Do I usually agree with you? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin2.gif I couldn't agree more with your whole post http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wavey.gif gollymolly</span>

myownthinker
10-18-2004, 01:51 PM
I am going to wait on judgement until the facts come out for sure - it wouldnt surprise me if it is all a plot against him and it wouldnt surprise me if it is true.

Froufrou
10-18-2004, 02:23 PM
Yeah, it looks bad for the girl. But mtnwoods please don't label this thing as advantage feminists. It reminds me more of the Kobe Bryant affair: both went to the men's rooms. This was the wrong thing to do; for the BOR accuser, in light of her claims of harrassment over 4 years, and returning to FOX was wrong if her claims are correct. You know the joke about 'we know what kind of girl you are, now we're just haggling about price.'

mtnwoods
10-19-2004, 09:17 AM
FrouFrou, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I sometimes forget you can't convey sarcasm in type! Quote[/b] ]Follow the man around to jobs, but he is harrassing you? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif These are fine examples for the feminist movement. What I meant was, these women are supposed to be so smart and free to live however they want. They are empowered women- according to the feminists. Yet, they choose to be around guys who are allegedly harrassing them?! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Most of the women I know do not agree with anything NOW says, but if I guy was harrassing them or hit on them, that guy would be in serious pain both physically and mentally. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rollpin.gif

Froufrou
10-19-2004, 09:44 AM
mtnwoods - I stand corrected. *I think it will be hard to prove she's anything more than an opportunist. *~deja vu~ where have I heard that? *Oh, we were talking about http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif somewhere else...'scuse me...

paige
10-19-2004, 09:48 AM
Quote[/b] ]Bill seems to wave the flag for both sides, which is not the definition of an independent, more like an opportunist if you ask me.

I agree. I used to like BOR but not anymore. He seems to have taken a serious left turn. I also think he's more of an *independent opportunist* vs. a conservative one. Conservatives were just excited about him for a while because we had nothing else to choose from.

I tend to believe there is some truth to the allegations. I can see him staying most of it. I also think the woman is an opportunist as well. Perhaps along the lines of 'selectively offended'? Several years of BOR's behavior and she's just now bothered by it? Come on. There's really no place (at all) for this sort of talk in business, but just because there IS doesn't necessarily make it sexual harassment. Obviously it's not sexual harassment if the recipient isn't offended by it. And I tend to believe if she were REALLY offended, she would have moved on a long time ago (and never returned).

To sum it up, it's one opportunist against the other.

laurita_a
10-20-2004, 12:09 AM
Quote[/b] ]Conservatives were just excited about him for a while because we had nothing else to choose from.

I like him because he seems very passionate about his beliefs (when he is getting emotional about a topic, I usually am too and cheering him on) and he is not afraid to report on stories that the mainstream media ignores. *I don't always agree with him, but I don't have to in order to watch his show. *I really do feel like the Fox slogan is true: we report, you decide. *I am always disappointed to hear someone agree with the liberals on certain issues, but I don't hold it against him. *He presents the argument and I can take it or leave it. *I will admit though, I liked him better in the early days. *He was rocking back then. *I was watching every night to get the real news. *Now, if there's nothing else on, I flip over and see what's on the show. *I do get his column every week and those are almost always good. *I think his convention coverage was really good. *It was interesting to see the Ben Affleck interview. *I don't agree with Ben's views, but I respected them more after the interview. *He's certainly a lot better than Alec Baldwin http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif !

Peach Pit
10-21-2004, 10:30 AM
WHEW! I have a bad case of &quot;reading fatigue&quot;! I have read the entire suit against FOX/O'REILLY, and all of the posts on this subject.

I am NOT an O'Reilly fan, though I used to be. IMHO, as his &quot;fame&quot; grew, so did his mouth, his rudeness, and his arogance. I still watch FOX as my main source of news, as, for the most part, I do indeed find them to be &quot;Fair and Balanced&quot;. Is O'Reilly the bad apple and comapny degenerate at Fox? If so, get rid of him. Fox will survive! I believe the allegations may have some truth in them. That being said:

I am saddened and horrified at what is stated by the Plaintiff. Does she not know how to hang up a phone? Why continue to go out to dinner with him after alledging that the was so horribly deviant on prior occasions? Go to his HOTEL ROOM to watch a program with him? Give me a break! But then, I'm from the old school; you tell someone only ONE TIME that you do NOT want to hear any more perverted sex talk. IF he persists, black his dam-ed eye with a good right hook, and then file charges against him explaining why!

After a stint at CNN she goes back for more of the same? Hmmm! I even wonder is she is making REAL good money, via CNN possibly paying her a major lump sum to go back and get the dirt on O'Reilly! Not a fair assumption, you say? Well, I can &quot;spin&quot; the news as well as anyone! It was just a thought!

Do you realize that under the junk dished out by NOW, if I had walked into work one morning and my boss said &quot;Hey! Nice blouse!&quot;, that it could be construed as a &quot;sexist comment&quot;? This is riduculous! This lady should have put the arrogant O'Reilly in his place the FIRST TIME HE GOT OUT OF LINE! If she got fired for doing so, she would have at least left with her pride intact! Where was her dignity and feeling of self-worth?

I am going to be watching closely for the outcome of this one!

MudPuppy
10-28-2004, 06:38 PM
Case clo$ed… http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041028/286128_1.html

Did he, or didn't he; that is the question, resolved for a small fee.

papajaxxx
10-28-2004, 07:52 PM
Because men are such sexual animals and act stupid around women, most men step over the line on sexual innuendo.

But, nothing will get a man back in line more than his wife catching him or having a sexual harassment suit brought against him.

I am sure that BOR feels like a fool now, and his pocket book is lighter, and his wife has a rolling pin in her hand.

I also feel confident that he has learned a lesson. Luckily, his career was not destroyed; he dodged a bullet.

Bill, learn from this, and the only woman you want to make sexual suggestions or comments to should be your wife! All that glitters out there is not gold! I guess even the smartest people in the world do stupid things once in a while.

Terri
10-28-2004, 08:06 PM
Quote[/b] ]Bill O'Reilly, plaintiff settle harassment suit (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-10-28-oreilly-settles_x.htm)

USA Today
Oct. 28, 2004

NEW YORK (AP) — Fox News Channel television host Bill O'Reilly and a former producer of his talk show have agreed to settle their legal dispute over her allegations of sexual harassment, O'Reilly's lawyer announced Thursday.
Andrea Mackris had claimed O'Reilly made a series of explicit phone calls to her, advised her to use a vibrator and telling her about sexual fantasies involving her.

O'Reilly actually sued Mackris hours before her case was filed Oct. 13. The talk show host said he was fighting an extortion attempt, that Mackris and her lawyer demanded $60 million in &quot;hush money&quot; to make the case quietly go away.

More (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-10-28-oreilly-settles_x.htm)

RightOnIt
10-28-2004, 08:35 PM
I'm glad that the suit has been settled. While we don't know (and probably never will know) the terms of the settlement, I'm hoping that O'Reilly didn't pay anything. I like the guy and his politics. I'm hoping that he didn't do what he was accused of, and that it was just a blackmail scheme against a popular and wealthy TV star. When I think of O'Reilly, I think of a &quot;straight shooter.&quot; It would have been a shame to burst my bubble!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif

Blackbirdwife
10-29-2004, 12:04 PM
I agree, we will never know but I tend to believe O'Reilly instead of a gal WHO went BACK to work for him AFTER the alledge incedent. Then decided to TAPE and Coherce him with words SHE was saying as well to get him to respond! Bill should have been smarter BUT she is a co worker. SHe also wanted like 60 million dollars..can you say GREED!
I am glad he settled to save his family the grief! This gal needs psych help immediately. NOW IF he did the thigns she says then he needs it as well BUT I htink she was out for money. She was trying to &quot;whore&quot; money off him as I see it!

Blackbirdwife