POLL: Which candidate scored the most points in the first presidential debate?

[Terri]

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Please post and share your reasons for your vote. Tell us what you saw in the debate that helped to form your decision.

[Old Sea Dog]

President Bush clearly outlined his plans to succeed
in Iraq,and was more convincing on how to deal with North Korea.He did not waver on his convictions of why he went into Iraq without the UN. He also emphasized what he was doing to bolster homeland security.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
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[Spiker555]

Kerry was a better debater but didn't have any meat to defend himself. Basically, he won on the overall delivery but lost on the contents. Kerry spewed lies during tonight's debate.

[Shavano]

Our President came well armed tonight with facts, Sen. Kerry only had rhetoric.

Bush made the case that our choice this year is crystal clear, strong leadership or vacillating positions.

[MamaCat]

I breaks my heart to say this, but I think Kerry scored more points. My reasoning: If I knew nothing about either candidate except what transpired during this debate, I would probably vote for Kerry. He looked calmer, seemed to have a better command of what he wanted to say, and appeared knowledgeable. (I'm ducking --- I'm sure the entire rest of this group is presently throwing anything you can get your hands on at my reply.) Now, all of that notwithstanding, I DO know more about both candidates than what transpired on the debate. I know that Kerry is a bunch of hot air, willing to turn whichever way he must to get votes, and that he lies thru his teeth. I know that Pres. Bush is a man of principle, and that the policies that he has put forth, not just for the war in Iraq, but for the war on terrorism, are the ones that will succeed. Unfortunately, he really didn't show that tonight. I'm sorry. It breaks my heart to say that, but that's what came across my screen. If I said otherwise, I'd be fooling myself and lying to you.

[lpara]

I thought at the beginning of the debate . . . Kerry looked and sounded very nervous, but he did finish looking stronger and more at one with himself. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/it.gif

President Bush had to defend more than he should have because of the questions asked. I said a draw though, if I didn't know either man, President Bush sounded more to the point, whereas Kerry was rather vague in his answers and just that would make me want to vote for President Bush.

[Merika]

My reasoning: If I knew nothing about either candidate except what transpired during this debate, I would probably vote for Kerry. He looked calmer, seemed to have a better command of what he wanted to say, and appeared knowledgeable.

See...I'm kinda agreeing with you there MamaCat. Kerry was wrong with his facts but he still stated them well. If I didn't KNOW those facts were wrong.....I would've believed him.

Here's an interesting thought.....I had a friend in email wonder if sKerry had any previous knowledge of the questions. His command of the topics seemed somewhat out of character. He was very polished.

[Mornin'Glory]

Hi,

This is my perspective. Remember in school, when you encountered the Know it All. This was a person armed with facts and figures, and could spout them off, BUT STILL DID NOT GET THE BIG PICTURE. *That is what I got from this debate, that Kerry focuses and obsesses over small things, but doesn't see the forrest for the trees. It was obvious in his comments about North Korea. *President Bush has set up a multilateral coalition to deal with North Korea. It is obvious that it is in China's *and South Korea's best interest to put pressure on their neighbor. *After all Kerry's talk about global cooperation, he wants bilateral talks with North Korea?http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

He had the audacity to complain about our troops being under equipped when he voted against spending money on them?http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif *This was not lost on others. *If you are impressed with someone who can recite facts, I guess this is your man. If you want someone who sees the big picture, vote for http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bushsign.gif *I did not come away from my television screen thinking Kerry was a clear victor. I would give him points for style, but not for substance. *


My conclusion, this will give Kerry supporters something to crow about. This will concern some Bush supporters, but we will not waver. The media will have a field day, if only for the fact Kerrry didn't screw up.

[lpara]

True, Kerry might have won demeanor, but President Bush clearly won substance . . .

I don't understand why sKerry doesn't want multi-lateral cooperation with North Korea, but does want it with Iraq. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/doh.gif

Sean must not have seen the debate. He said he has NEVER seen the president more passionate, more articulate, more this, more that . . . I'm not saying that it was a flop, but let's be a little more honest, Sean http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shake.gif

[Merika]

Quote[/b] (lpara @ Oct. 01, 2004 -- 12:03 am)]I don't understand why sKerry doesn't want multi-lateral cooperation with North Korea, but does want it with Iraq. *
Maybe he doesn't want the whole world to see his picture on the North Korean 'Hall of Shame' policital board. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[American Proud]

I was concerned that President Bush seemed less confident than he should have been, and I will admit that sKerry came across as Mr. GQ, but sKerry had nothing of realistic substance to offer. *Even if I wasn't done with him before tonight, I was done with him when he started spouting off about a "global test" we had to pass for the rest of the world. *And he didn't refute Bush at all when Bush indicated that sKerry would subject Americans to the World Court. *And did anyone count the amount of times sKerry inserted his Vietnam combat into his smooze?? *I counted 6 times. *

Did anyone else notice the lack of questions to sKerry about his past actions such as voting for the war, then voting against funding the troops? *Or why he thinks we need more of a multinational coalition in Iraq, but we should only have bilateral talks with North Korea? *Or why he voted against funding for our military and intelligence services in the past? *What about missing 76% of the intelligence meetings after the first World Trade attack? *All the questions focused on what BUSH did wrong, and how sKerry would do it better. *

I do wish Bush had been more confident and comfortable, but the essense of each man shone through clearly!

Merika Posted on Sep. 30, 2004 -- 11:39 pm
[/QUOTE]Here's an interesting thought.....I had a friend in email wonder if sKerry had any previous knowledge of the questions. His command of the topics seemed somewhat out of character. [QUOTE]

That's a very interesting thought, Merika. *But surely sKerry and the dummycraps wouldn't cheat, would they! *More likely, sKerry depended on his PBS buddy, Lehrer, to stack the deck for him!! *

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[lpara]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif oh that's right, Merika! They probably have his picture all over the place and they have to say HEIL Kerry, whenever they go past it. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tqrolleyes.gif

[lpara]

As soon as Jim Lehrer said "I made up the questions and no candidate knew of the questions beforehand . . . " I started my conspiracy theories.

[MamaCat]

Quote[/b] ]He was very polished.

Isn't he an attorney? They are taught how to act in order to pursuade.

Quote[/b] ]I don't understand why sKerry doesn't want multi-lateral cooperation with North Korea, but does want it with Iraq. Good question. I think he's wrong on this. The President explained very clearly why we need others involved in the North Korean situation.

I think the President WAS exasperated at the questions. They were obviously designed to bring out the best in Kerry and put the President on the defensive. He was defensive, never a good position to be in. I think if they have two more liberal moderators we could be in for more of the same. The Pres. has to take a deep breath and be in charge, not let the "bad guys" get to him.

Can't find it here, maybe someone said it over in the Precinct, but the President did not correct Kerry's misstatements on many issues -- he let them pass. He seemed to lose his train of thought and then just go into auto-pilot with one of his canned responses.

Again, this does not lessen my conviction in favor of President Bush. He just didn't shine like we know he can. My hope is that the Undecideds will be able to see thru the muck being spewed by John Kerry so eloquently. It's still muck.

[timbercutter]

I voted a draw, because I, too, think the average ill informed watcher as seeing the senator as more factual and articulate. However, anyone paying attention SHOULD see the sense of "taking it to " our enemies, as opposed to "sucking up " to France and Germany. I think the President got a little more angry than he wanted to, making him seemingly stumble and hesitate. I'm GLAD he shows anger! The enimy needs to see that strength. I think he is doing a great job. I also thing he may have spent too much time on "flip/flop". It was a beautiful fall day here in the panhandle of I daho......... http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Brenda]

I had to vote a draw.
Kerry astounded with his delivery, (did they bleach off some of his tan spray?), if you don't know the facts, he was impressive in style.
President Bush seemed to me "disgusted" with Kerry and appeared to have a look of distaste on his face. (Understandably so, since he was debating against the "empty content" for the umpteenth time).

I have not lost faith in our President to be reelected, I am concerned that the less politically educated and leftist mind controlled/influenced, were swayed.
However, Kerry DID state two separate positions on Iraq, “against”- early in the debate and “for” -late in the debate.

Pray the true Church votes MORALS as their first priority, in mass numbers.

[SpicyTexan]

Quote[/b] (MamaCat @ Sep. 30, 2004 -- 10:22 pm)]I breaks my heart to say this, but I think Kerry scored more points. * My reasoning: *If I knew nothing about either candidate except what transpired during this debate, I would probably vote for Kerry. *
I have to agree with you, mommacat! The debates are really for the swing voters. President Bush always has trouble to command his speech, even he spoke from his heart and armed with facts. But for the swing voters, I bet they will think kerry delivered better than president bush. I don't know. I am kinda disappointed... http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bawl.gif

well, like my husband told me, it's not over until Nov. 2 evening. So let's all pray...the election is in God's hand now... http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bible.gif

I voted the third option - a draw...

[Merika]

I think Bush could've given a few his jabs in at the Port-O-Potty campaign puke coming out of sKerry's mouth....but for whatever reason....he chose not to. Especially with Lurch's "I've served in combat and will stand with the troops" crap.

However, maybe 'Mr Joe Middle-of-the-Road' will now hear all the smart a$$ed remarks like I just heard come out of Edwards' mouth and see Bush for the gentleman that he is.

Maybe taking the high road is a good political call at this point. There IS something to be said for 'Doing unto others..." and I believe Pres. Bush lives up to his convictions without faltering.

It's one of the things I love about Dubya....even when I WOULD have rather seen sKerrry smacked with a big board across his lying lips.

[timbercutter]

Leherer definitely stacked the deck against the pres.....I have liberal frinds that swear he is the most unbiased guy on TV....these are my "enlightened" friends....LOL please forgive my poor spelling. I really can spell, I just don't notice as I hunt and peck my message and I'm not smart enough on this machine to fix it! Pathetic, I'm sure to most.

[Mornin'Glory]

Hi,

Timber Cutter, I have no excuse for my spelling. I must be the only female on Earth who isn't good at language arts. * http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif *

I have surfed the net to bring you a plethora of opinions. At best, it is a draw. At worst, Kerry gets points for style. *The points for substance are still out. *My gut reaction was that Kerry got in some serious jabs. Twenty minutes later, I began to forget exactly what Kerry said. *What I did remember is that he talked about Viet Nam and he contradicted himself. *A week from now, I probably won't remember much from Kerry. *The things I will remember are the things that have been reinforced throughout this race. *We 've heard this all before and there weren't any surprises. * I still came to the conclusion that I don't know where Kerry really stands on Iraq.

Bottom line on first debate: *Kerry was strong, but nuanced. *Bush struggled but stuck to the message.

[lpara]

timbercutter~~don't feel bad about the hunting and pecking~~you're among like "spellers." http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif we all have typos ~~ especially when it's 1:30 AM http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yikes.gif Time to :sleep: http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/red_eyes.gif

[soccermamamia]

Bush was not as articulate as I would have hoped and he was definitely better the first half. I think too high expectations on Bush may have made his performance a bit disappointing for some of us.

However when you push aside the fluff of the slick Kerry brooohaha and look at the actual content the Bush message was solid and wins against the flim flam flip flop that so permeated Kerry's message

[Excelsior]

I also thought sKerry did a better job with presentation. G.W. did have more substance. But with people who don't understand the issues and just "watched", I think they saw a strong sKerry.
Just how much emphasis are we to put on looking good on tv?
Character and integrity will always trump "looking good".

[Vegas Rudy]

There was no slam dunk. Both candidates maintained their campaign messages.

President Bush did not appear relaxed and Kerry went on with the his mantra of Bush misleading his public.

One message Kerry made clear. He was willing to leave America's security to global consensus and gave a confusing message in dealing with Iran, North Korea and the Sudan.

As a moderator, I'd prefer Tim Russert over Jim Lehrer and I felt the questions asked should have been designed by a committee
of journalist that leaned on both sides. Lehrer asked questions Bush's reasoning for the Iraq war but he did not press Kerry on his record in the Senate on foreign relations. Instead he asked questions suited for a Monday morning quarterback.


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[AceAustin]

I agree with you all but to add President Bush seemed tired maybe worn from a hard day. Does anyone know what he did today? Maybe he was preoccupied with something like the hurricane damage and talking to people in Florida and trying to get them help faster or correct some problem or something.

[Bud Marten]

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OK, I've read what you all have said to this point and I have only this to say, If any one of you think for one moment that Kerry DID NOT know the questions in advance, then I have a big beautiful bridge to sell. The democrats will use every dirty trick ever devised, make me an offer, I'll sell cheap....Bud

[SpicyTexan]

Bud, go to bed. Don't want you to have high blood pressure again! I have low blood pressuer, I guess I can stay up a little bit longer...on a second thought, nah...time to hit the sack...night night, everyone! Thanks for all the inputs.

[Speedway]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I must have watched a different debate. I voted for Bush. Of course, I don't stare at the TV when I watch it. I listen and look occasionally. Whenever I looked up Bush looked relaxed and Kerry looked like he had a rod crammed up his rear. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I thought that Bush showed how totally incompetent that Kerry is. I was sure that Kerry contradicted himself enough times that no one would think he won. I thought the stupid smurks on Kerry's face made him look stupid. Kerry often seems like he has a hard time forming words---like he gets bored before his own sentence is done.

Kerry goes on and on about how "I" will do everything. Surely everyone knows that one man cannot do that much.

I thought Kerry came off like an idiot. I thought Bush seemed frustrated during points in which any human who deals in truth instead of fantasy would seem frustrated.

I occasionally thought Bush looked like it was hard to tolerate listening to the BS that Kerry was spewing. I mean imagine having to stand there and look serious while Kerry is saying "I will fix everything that is wrong in the entire world with a coalition of every nation." Well duh? If every nation agreed with us, there wouldn't be terrorists, now would there?

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[lonelawyer]

John Kerry probably won on style points. *President Bush didn't seem to be on the top of his game, however, Kerry confirmed that he has six positions on Iraq.

One telling thing from last night that the Republican party needs to pound home:

John Kerry is famouse for the question, "How do you ask someone to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

John Kerry repeatedly said last night that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake, yet he not only wants more Americans to die for that "mistake", he wants to get other countries to send their kids to die for the "mistake".

I didn't hear the pundits mentioning this, but it needs to be pounded on repeatedly.

[MudPuppy]

Quote[/b] (Mornin'Glory @ Sep. 30, 2004 -- 9:46 pm)]President Bush has set up a multilateral coalition to deal with North Korea. It is obvious that it is in China's *and South Korea's best interest to put pressure on their neighbor.
sKerry delivered up a fat one here. I thought the President missed an opportunity to hammer sKerry, Mr. Multilateral, when it comes to Iraq for his duplicity and flip-flopping on North Korea.

I do wish the President would have mentioned how sKerry's stance on the decision to go into Iraq as an "error in judgment" while continually berating our accomplishments there has also emboldened our enemies to continue their fight in the hope of victory. Twice the President mention the effect on our allies, our troops, the Iraqi people, but nothing about the effect sKerry's statements have on our enemies, thereby endangering our troops. I'm somewhat puzzled by the President’s reluctance to clobber him on this point.

Quote[/b] (American Proud @ Sep. 30, 2004 -- 10:35 pm)]Even if I wasn't done with him before tonight, I was done with him when he started spouting off about a "global test" we had to pass for the rest of the world. *And he didn't refute Bush at all when Bush indicated that sKerry would subject Americans to the World Court.
I agree… I thought the President did very well here. He basically explained the practical affects of sKerry's badgering dogmatism.

I believe the President needs to be more Explainer In Chief for the American people to cut though sKerry's simple demagoguery BS to complex decision making. Bush is a leader; sKerry is a political wonk that is incapable of deciding on anything, not a desirable attribute to have in a President. The contrast between the two men couldn't be any starker.

Quote[/b] (Speedway @ Oct. 01, 2004 -- 1:37 am)]I occasionally thought Bush looked like it was hard to tolerate listening to the BS that Kerry was spewing. *I mean imagine having to stand there and look serious while Kerry is saying "I will fix everything that is wrong in the entire world with a coalition of every nation." *Well duh? *If every nation agreed with us, there wouldn't be terrorists, now would there?


*Bush!
Ditto, Speedway.

[jackbenimble]

Kerry was the better debater but Bush got in repeated good licks about his flip-flopping and his lack of core values and called him on several untruths.

The questions were stacked against Bush but that was pretty much to be expected. I doubt the vast majority of the people watching picked up on that.

Bush had a chance to put the election away last night but I don't think he got the job done. But he did not hurt himself either. I'd say it was a draw.

Regards,
Jack

[danang]

I was expecting that Bush would do better than he did. *I think Bush may have lost a little ground. * It seemed to me that the questions favored Kerry, *and often put Bush on the defensive.
I wonder how Kerry's idea to send troops to the Sudan will go over? *Talk about a quagmire! *He may have stuck his foot in his mouth on that. * Also the N. Korean argument. *I think Bush won that one.

[pigskinner]

I wish president bush would have exposed the flaws in the U.N.when asked about the african disaters,,,,ethnic cleansing,genocide .(The U.N.is still in conference about the war of 1812,to see if it was justified),and to show the american people that the U.N.is a waste of time and money.and the free world needs to move fast on these murduerous countries and not be stuck in committe. : http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag19.gif

[AceAustin]

Did anyone notice that Kerry got more time than Bush to talk? Now I did not run the stopwatch to check it and since I dislike Kerry so strongly it may have seemed like more. But I think Kerry had more time when asked a question than Bush had when he was asked a question. This is not considering the 90 sec rebuttle or the 30 second one just the response to the question that they were to have 2 minutes to answer or in Kerry's case to not answer and confuse everyone.

One question asked to Kerry he admittedly said he wanted to address something else and did and in so doing never answered the question asked and I think that caused Bush to respond differently than expected on that question. I for the life of me cannot remember the question at this point.

[lorichil]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif Twenty years in the senate and Kerry did nothing! Now he seems to have all the answers. Don't people listen and hear what he is saying and read about his past record? I really get upset with intelligent people not listening to the facts/finding out the facts and there are quite a few who aren't doing either.
His use of "I" was quite obnoxious to me also. Arrogance!

[jimmyjoebob]

I voted that Kerry won the most points from the debate. Since
I know who I will vote for, I watched the debate with a
potential undecided voter in mind.

Kerry won more points because he made no major mistakes,
remained calm, which presented a more Presidential
appearance for him.

He challenged President Bush on his handling of Iraq and
I didn't think Bush put those challenges down with certainty.

The cameras caught President Bush's facial irritation and
frustration at Kerry's attacks.The cameras shot angles of
Bush from behind which were not flattering to him.

Bush gave the same argument about Kerry changing his
positions too much. He did not give details of Kerry's
incompetance. This played to Kerry's accusation that Bush
was stubborn and unyielding on his policy.

Bush should have given clear, structured responses. Instead,
he paused too much and used the mantra that democracy in
Iraq would make the US safer.

Bush gave some major concerns that voters should have in a
Kerry Presidency. He just didn't delivery those burning
negatives in a coherant way that most voters could digest.

Bush did not lay out clearly that he had a plan in Iraq, what
that plan was, and how it was progressing on schedule. He
rambled this information out in an unfocused way. This made
him appear more stubborn and less calculating, playing into
Kerry's attack on him.

I just think Bush could have done better. My honest opinion.
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[Bud Marten]

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[musicbuyer]

Let's be honest here, folks. Bush was not as polished in his responses as Kerry and he sounded hesitant at times that made him appear unsure of what he was saying. With that said as a strong Bush supporter, I believe his points were extremely valid labeling Kerry as one who sends "mixed messages" because of his comments about the war in Iraq being the "wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." I do think the president was pushing this point just a little too much to the point that he flubbed it on one occasion. If you are going to repeat a message, at least try to do it in different way the next time. Nevertheless, I was gagging every time Kerry said he was going to defend America better than Bush because he "knows what it's like to be in combat." Overall, I think neither candidate hurt themselves and Bush survived in what is expected to be his most difficult debate. The other debates are going to be a breeze because there is nothing but success and progress that is measurable at this point. The jury is still out on Iraq. IMHO!

[jimmyjoebob]

Bud,

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Quote[/b] ]And in MY opinion from your remarks, YOU are a Skerry backer, am I right?

I assume you were speaking to me. Why would you assume that I am a Kerry backer? Because I expressed an honest opinion? Because it doesn't fit your mold of a Bush backer's response?

I will be voting for Bush. I would expect that my disappointment in the debate could be expressed here. I wanted to see Kerry burned at the stake. Perhaps my expectations were too high. I would be less than sincere to rave about how great Bush did in the debate if I didn't feel that was the case. A great debate is based on each person's own expectations. Mine were high. My intentions for expressing the faults I saw in the debate is to hopefully see improvement in the next one.

Now your remark brings up a question from me. I thought I had found a forum here that was comprised of conservative, independant thinking people. Your comment sounds more like something I would experience on one of those Sheepole forums, perhaps I am wrong. You can only answer that.

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[Menachem Ben Yakov]

First , I think it is unfair and counter productive to criticize posters who found that Kerry won the debate. Everyone here understands that Bush is the better candidate and makes a far better President than Kerry ever would. Those folks who have constructive criticism should be encouraged . We have an election to win and there are three more debate opportunities .
Second , I voted that Kerry won the debate. The polls will show he won the debate. He is a better debater not a better candidate.
Third , many posters here have been dead on in their comments and have made very valuable points that I hope filters up to those who can help the President.
Lastly , what in my oppinion was the biggest missed opportunity in the debate -
At one point Kerry claimed that our action in Iraq was a reason that Bin Ladin used to fan anti-American hatred. Yet Bin Ladins Sept.11 attack on America PRECEDED the invasion of Iraq. The Prez should have jumped all over that. Pointing out how little Kerry realy understands the enemies America faces.
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Bush / Cheney 2004 *
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[ladybug_guam]

With a heavy hart, I have to agree with you, MamaCat, my husband and I were so sure that this was going to be 'a walk in the park' for President Bush, we got donuts and coffee (it was in the morning here) and sat to watch Kerry get clobbered.... it didn't happened. We are walking around, mopping and asking 'what happened?'
However, after watching the highlights on Fox, we started asking.... OK, Kerry, where's the beef? All blow, no show!
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[jimmyjoebob]

Menachem,

Quote[/b] ]Everyone here understands that Bush is the better candidate and makes a far better President than Kerry ever would. ....many posters here have been dead on in their comments and have made very valuable points that I hope filters up to those who can help the President.


Exactly. Even those that voted Bush won or had a draw have given constructive negatives that they took from the debates.

Bush definately had some positives in the debate.
I would like to have seen Bush nail Kerry more, like when Kerry said that Iran had developed nuclear weapons on Bush's watch. Kerry said he would put sanctions on Iran and that Bush had done nothing. Bush did not hesitate in his response that Iran already had sanctions on it and had for some years. Kerry's option was already in place. It clearly exposed Kerry's ignorance and the deceit in his remarks. Bush needed more responses like this to Kerry's attacks.

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[Pamela Bridgeman]

I participated in a post-debate opinion poll conducted by the Atlanta Journal Constitution: Here's an excerpt of what they printed and the link for the full text:


http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/election/1004nation/voice3.html

VOICE OF ATLANTA

Page 3: Readers respond to the debate

Published on: 10/01/04


From the time I cast my first vote for Ronald Reagan, I have voted straight-ticket Republican, including Election 2000. As a black American, whose parents were staunch Democrats, I listened to the positions of Democrat candidates and studied the voting records of those seeking reelection, but after careful consideration in elections local, state and national, I have never been persuaded not to vote Republican.

Because of his proven leadership in the war on terror, his strategic planning for growing the economy and his stance on moral issues, I strongly supported President Bush going into the debate. I came away from the debate strongly supporting President Bush. He demonstrated the level-headed judgment I want in a commander-in-chief and the integrity I expect in a diplomat.

[americanway]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif Let's be realistic. Kerry spent the day preparing for the debate by sleeping late, getting a $200 haircut, manicure, poached eggs for braekfast, rehearsal for the debate, sun lamp, afternoon nap, more rehearsal, had his butler dress him and have his lacky's push him onto the stage. Bush,was up early, met with hurricaine victims, grabbed a sandwich and headed for the debates.

[jcuz]

In my opinion Bush was too nice to Kerry and did not take advantage of every opening he had to throw a punch. It could have been the pressure and an oversight or he was being nice to Kerry. I give the edge to Mr. Bush. Kerry was still talking to the Americans who are less informed on the current world situation. Kerry was basically talking to the dummies who will take advice from whoever is handing out dumb advice. Bush was talking to the more educated and concerned of Americans. If Karen Hughs had been on the podium, Mr. Kerry would be in Mass. packing for YonDer right about now.

[Bud Marten]

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OK.I'll take my lashings, maybe I read some thing in your comments that wasn't there, for which I retrack my remark.

I believe we all expected more from our President, some of us felt fulfilled and some disappointed, maybe next time?
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[RAKCMEI]

Kerry is a debater from way back. He was smooth, and if you didn't know about the candidates, probably scored some points.

But we know our candidate. A man of character, integrity - a man with a plan. Kerry has none of that - regardless of what he says.

Bush looked tired and on the defense last night. But then again - he's a working man. Kerry hasn't worked for over 20 years, barely showing up in the Senate.

I can't give an unbiased opinion on the debate because I despise the other candidate. We know Bush is not the most eloquent and articulate when speaking, but his actions speak louder than Kerry's.

Yes - he should of - could of - hit back at Kerry on a few subjects and missed some great opportunities, but nailed him on others, especially the world court and global test. 2 very important items in my book.

Kerry lied in the debate last night, and not all of them were refuted, but that is how it goes. If people vote Kerry in based on the debates alone, without looking at the world picture, the God help us.

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[Menachem Ben Yakov]

You are right Jimmyjoebob.

What I would like to see is the President have a strategy to deal with what is obviously a " theme " of the Kerry gang - his military service.

Why did Kerry vote against providing the resources our tropps need if he is so concerned about them ?

If Kerry is a " different person " now and would not repeat his anti-war , anti- American statements from the Vietnam era , why is he making statements that undermine our troops morale today ?

Mendy

[Basheva]

When Kerry was asked a question he had two minutes which he filled up with his campaign spin - but President Bush had only 90 seconds to refute Kerry's two minutes worth of tripe.

President Bush had to pick and choose which part of the tripe to refute. Sometimes, it's a case of knowing too much. As president he is aware of many more facts.

Each of us is knowledgeable, even an expert, about something in our lives that we do: car mechanic, carpentry, law, teaching, and or even ballet.

When someone says a bunch of trash to you about something you are an expert on and you only get 90 seconds to "set 'em straight" - that presents a problem of almost insurmountable proportions.

For instance: How to present his entire policy about North Korea and the how's and why's of that policy in 90 seconds? And do that in a way that doesn't undermine that policy, because tomorrow he has to meet again with those allies. The whole world is listening to his answer above and beyond a debate.

When someone says something to me like: "all ballerina's pointe shoes have wood in them." My reply could take up half a book to refute that statement and offer the facts. But I only have 90 seconds, so I have to carefully chose what part of that mistatement I am going to refute.

That's the president's problem. Not only that he also has security conerns. In addition he knows that the world is listening to every word he says - even in a debate he has to be careful what he says about enemies or allies, etc.

All the while Kerry is free to say whatever he wants.

[jimmyjoebob]

Basheva,

I agree that Bush has many security concerns that he must weigh with each answer that he gives. This does shackle him a bit.


Menachem,

Quote[/b] ]What I would like to see is the President have a
strategy to deal with what is obviously a " theme " of the
Kerry gang - his military service.


That is one area that Bush should pound Kerry on, but also
the issue that Kerry continues to push, about Bush misleading
the American people. Kerry continues to claim that he will
improve our intelligence. Bush should hit him hard on that
issue and how Kerry's years working with the intelligence
community produced the system that gave us the faulty
intelligence. How is Kerry going to improve something that he
helped to create? Bush should also hammer Kerry on his
attendance record in the Senate and in his intelligence
meetings.There are many areas that Bush could rip Kerry
apart. He needs to do it and not show hesitation when he
does. Bush needs a calm, firm voice with no hesitation in his
deliveries of his responses. This is presidential, reflects his
character as sure and unwavering, and will resonate with the
viewers.
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[termind]

I call it a draw.

I was initially disappointed. I probably had unrealistic expectations going in. They weren't met.

My reaction was very similar to my shattered expectations of Election Night 2000. The landslide I expected didn't happen. In the end, the result was just fine.

Looking ahead to the town hall and domestic issues debates, I'd like to see:

-- a rested President Bush.

-- the president highlighting Senator Kerry's dubious record in the Senate.

I sincerely hope the president's advisors are giving him an honest, accurate assessment of last night's performance. I want them to face the fact that he didn't do nearly as well as he is capable of doing and then help him make corrections. Then he'll really shine.

On the other side, Kerry is not capable of listening to advice. This morning he may think he really is the stud debator his mind says he is. He's probably comfortable not making any changes.

[jimmyjoebob]

Bud,

Quote[/b] ]OK.I'll take my lashings, maybe I read some thing in
your comments that wasn't there, for which I retrack my
remark.

Thank you Bud. You are a bigger man than I was perceiving
from that post. I can understand an automatic defensive
response concerning President Bush. I'm just glad we
understand each other now. I was sure we were on the same
side.
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[gourmet]

There is nothing easier than being able to say what you would do, but not have a record to show that is the case. kerry just had to stand there and say what he would do and bash the President. How would you like to have to stand there and have someone say you have put our troops in harm's way. President Bush cares very deeply about what he is doing and it is no wonder he had a disgusted look on his face. I heard nothing from kerry about what he would do except the very horrendous decision to bring the UN into the mix and then stand around and wait to see what they say we should do. We are the superpower in the world and liberals want to see this stopped because it is not "nice."

[heldmyw]

I was surprised that Kerry managed to come off as well as he did and more surprised that G.W. seemed so halting and lacking energy. I didn't expect a "grind him underfoot" performance, but at least some more life.

Mostly, I was bored. With both of them.

[mejustjoan]

sKerry DID NOT have a solid message. I STILL don't know what he thins he can do better in Iraq, and as President Bush continually pointed out, his whol agenda is contradictory to the point of being incoherent. No, sKerry may have been more poised and fluid (which we expected -- so was Gore) but he didn't articulate a solid message -- not by a long shot.


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[buckd]

I think the statement below says it all. *President George W. Bush is the leader we must have for the next four years.

Buckd



Thursday, September 30, 2004
Statement from Bush-Cheney ’04 Campaign Chairman Governor Marc Racicot

MIAMI, FL -- Today, Bush-Cheney '04 Campaign Chairman Governor Marc Racicot made the following statement:

"Tonight, President George W. Bush stood in stark contrast to a vacillating Senator John Kerry. President Bush showed Americans a detailed path forward in the War on Terror, a plan that will ensure that America fights the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan – not in America’s cities. People saw for themselves tonight where John Kerry would lead our military, our allies and the world in the War on Terror – down a bumpy road paved with indecision and cynicism."

[paige]

I had such high expectations after the President's awesome speech at the RNC that anything less left a lot to be desired. I was disappointed in the entire debate. Jim Lerher??? Geeze, they would have done just as well to have RatTHergate asking the questions. Kerry did not come off as genuine (as usual). He reminds me of a crooked used car salesman. He didn't answer the new questions asked, instead he would 'follow up' on the previous question which left Bush at a huge disadvantage. Kerry seemed much calmer than usual and if I didn't know better I'd think he knew the questions in advance of the debate. Either that or he knew Jim was going to keep Bush on the defensive the entire 90 minutes. Bush looked incredibly disgusted and unprepared. I've never seen him look like that before. It was baffling. He was far to repetitive .. "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" was his follow up response to Kerry just about every time. I kept thinking "okay, here we go.. he's going to pummel Kerry on this one", but he didn't. He threw out more of the same "mixed messages" phrase. I am hoping that Bush's overall performance last night was actually a Bush Camp strategy and that on the next debate he will come out breathing fire. Even though Kerry scored higher than Bush *overall* last night I don't think this will have much of an impact on the election. Kerry may very well be better at debating but the guy lacks INTEGRITY and sincerity and there's NO MESSAGE he can deliver with such conviction and compassion that it hides his self serving agenda. Phuleeze... "Global Test" What?? Kofi Annan? Our alli?? "More sanctions" would have gotten the job done? Are you kidding me??

[IChooselife1]

I have to agree with Mama Cat. If I knew nothing about the issues I would definitely say that Kerry won. For someone who has even a passing understanding of those areas where Kerry lied or twisted, he will have to defend those statements.
President Bush is very dear to me. I have very few areas of his leadership that I disagree with(signing McCain/Feingold, Medicare prescription card come to mind) but I found myself trying to feed him answers, those things that I know he has done, or those areas he should have responded to when Kerry lied.
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[Menachem Ben Yakov]

I have always noticed the President does better when the jacket and tie come off. Silly I know but it seems to be the case.
I hope he can find a way to leave the jacket and tie behind at the
" town hall " debate.
I also hope that this entire thread is put in front of someone with the clout to impliment some of the suggestions made by GOPUSA members.
Kudos !
Mendy

Bush / Cheney 2004

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ps - It would be welcome indeed to see Rudy , Ed Koch and others make the media rounds to point up the Kerry inconsistencies. Time to get our guys in front of the cameras.

[jimmyjoebob]

I think the President also needs to work on his closing remarks. He should summerize the debate and the positions that Kerry took during the debate and crystalize the flaws in Kerry's positions. Show that to the viewers.

Example: He could have said -Senator Kerry says he's ready to report for duty and yet he's been lax in the job he holds now. Missing many of the meetings and votes on important legislation in the Senate.

Senator Kerry criticizes my administration for not building a coalition in Iraq. He says he will do better. How? Senator Kerry panders to those countries that would not help Iraq or the US to rid us of this terrorist regime. He panders to those willing to submit to terrorsist acts while criticizing those allies in the theatre of combat. He criticizes the Iraqi prime minister who must lead a nation to democracy and instill courage in a people suffering from terrorist acts. Kerry's actions have been irresponsible and politically opportunist. Is this how you help a nation move to democracy and build a coalition? I can tell you now, his isn't a plan, but an epitaph.

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[SkipK0911]

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With every waking moment, I thank God for giving us a man such as President Bush in this period of America's greatest challenge. Our president is a born leader, with a God given gift to understand the forces shaping the world around us. Of equal importance, George Bush has an inner guidance of how to effectively deal with the forces of evil that now confront us. This really came through during the debate, and so far as I'm concerned, President Bush is the winner.

Our president has not made any mistakes in dealing with the present world situation. Those who criticize, know not what they are talking about. The best example would be the Iraq war. All the world's top intelligence sources -- including the British, Russian, German and French -- agreed that Saddam had WMD available for his use. Our president spent much time trying to form an alliance of the stronger nations, before entering into direct conflict with Iraq. The United Nations was, as usual, totally useless as were those nations whom we saved from total destruction during WWII & WWIII.

One must never make a threat -- draw a line in the sand -- *without being completely able and willing to enforce the desired results. Saddam, over a period of ten years, was ordered to give up his WMD development; however, when he did not comply, the United Nations merely shrugged and looked the other way each and every time. Who has respect for the UN with these actions, or rather, inaction's? Saddam certainly didn't care what the fools said, and quite frankly, neither do I give a d&%m about the verbal effluent coming from UN headquarters! As a well known philosopher has said, "...a bunch of girlie men...".

Having tried to work within the world organization, President Bush had no other choice than to send troops to topple a despot, in order to protect America. The fact that we have not as yet found these WMDs, is of no consequence: We've found advanced Russian built jets buried under the sand, and I imagine, we'll find the WMDs buried just over the Iraq Syrian border one of these days.

The United States has given the Iraqi people new hope. Those people now have a chance to live a life like we do. God bless George Bush for his insightful vision, and God bless our troops for making it happen.

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[tomad1033]

I thought if you really listened to the debate (and are a freedom loving American) Bush won. He defended his position that the U.S. needs to ask NOONE when it comes to defending our nation thus preserving our natonal sovereignty.
The democrats under clinton signed away our sovereignty when pretty boy signed the u.n. criminal courts treaty, fortunately it was never ratified and Bush rescinded it. The pres. also mentioned this fact during the debate when he said our soldiers (our citizens also) could be held indefinitely and tried by a panel of judges(not peers) and convicted by a simple majority rather than a unanimous jury. Bush made it clear that America WILL NOT give up it's sovereignty to appease the enslaved European community.
the gun issue though not a part of this debate was settled by the G.O.P. letting the brady bill DIE. Dips--t kerry said we should have signed the treaty to make our allies in europe more receptive to us. SCREW EUROPE> These 2 issues alone are more important to freedom than all the other issues combined.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004

[soccermamamia]

It was evident from the debate that:
1. Kerry is still a flip flopper. He says help is on the way and criticizes Bush for allegedly sending our troops into battle without enough proper equipment -- but Kerry voted against the $ to support our troops. He cannot erase that from the record. My 17 y.o. even shouted "but you voted against it" when Kerry attempted to make this point.

2. Kerry's foreign policy is truly foreign. He will turn over the fate of our nation to a "global" group of self serving socialists rather than make the decision himself.

I saw nothing new from a slick facade in Kerry and the same resolute but halting presentation from Bush.

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[tomad1033]

p.s.
here's a quote from sarah brady as if we didn't already know treir motive.

Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control International

[Corgie Girl]

Trying to be impartial, viewing it as if I was undecided, Kerry looked more poised and "presidential" GW was too nice. I think that Kerry won on style and Bush won on character and forthrighness.

Here are my observations (as well as fantasized resposnes)

1) Did you observe that Kerry never looked at the audience directly, except at the end? That was off-putting to me. Bush looked squarely at the audience.

2)Bush should have slammed Kerry back hard when he mentioned the bilateral talks with Korea for the second time. Bush did say strongly that Kerry's approach was misinformed, but he could have scewered him by adding that if he is the "Consensus" candidate, why does he think that it is prudent to "go it alone" in Korea? This is another "flip-flop'! Plus GW could have asked the question - "How did North Korea get the materials to build these weapons in the first place? From the former administration!"

3) Kerry made two snide remarks - one about Haliberton and protecting the Oil ministry but not other key buildings (he said it twice) and Bush never responded. I know that he couldn't respond to everything, but all Bush could have said was, if this is true, that Oil was the main "cash cow" for the Iraqi people and their recovery after a post-Sadam era. If it wasn't true, nail him on the facts. The second was about the the comment about what Bush senior wrote into his book about the fact that they didn't go into Bagdad after Desert Storm because they didn't have a viable exit strategy. Bush should have nailed him that what his Father was talking about was the fact that the then coalition of "allies" made it very clear that they would not support going into Bagdad and that we would be going it alone. Kerry was very out-spoken in opposition to going into Bagdad on the floor of the Senate. Bush could have said we gave our word to these allies then, and we kept it, but can you imagine what the world would be like now if we had done what we should have? There would possibly not have been a 9/11.

4) As to trashing the UN, the President has to walk a very wobbly tightrope. He personally thinks that the UN is worthless (it was hinted at in the Sudan discussion) but this would not be the time and place to be that non-PC.

I think that Bush needs to ammend his stump speaches and address some of the Kerry bombasts! I think that he can pick up some ammo if he crafts his comments correctly!

[grnmeadow]

I have read all the posts and have a few points that I got from the debates.

1. *I was somewhat dissapointed in Pres. Bush. *He DID look tired and I got the feeling that he would rather have been working that defending his position. *

2. *I think it was a stradegy on the Bush team to let Kerry do most of the talking just to find out where he really stands. *There will be ads from now on answering all the garbage that kerry brought up. *Also, watch Cheny give the proper rebuttals. *

3. *Pres. Bush is a former Gov. who ran a state and now runs the government. *He is a worker...... *Kerry on the other hand is a lawyer and what do they do? *They debate...that is why he came across the way he did.

4. *I also believe kerry had been forwarned on the questions. *

This isn't over yet. *There are still 2 more presidential debates and the vp debates. *

I do have to say that I had my heart in my throat everytime Pres. Bush hesitated. *I do believe he had to watch his words very carefully. *Not only for the debates, but for all the other nations that were watching.

Did anyone notice how awful the ketchup lady looked? *Wonder who does her hair!@!!

[galinminnesota]

I've been a lurker for quite some time now. *I've enjoyed everyone's comments and haven't felt any desire to post anything until now. *The debate last night really made me angry. *First of all, Jim Lehrer appeared very biased towared Kerry. *He gave the tough questions to President Bush, and the easy ones to Kerry. *Why didn't Lehrer ask Kerry anything about his Senate record, or the Swift Boat Vets, or the Vietnam War stuff? *I was totally blown away by how how Kerry could bull his way through a question. *He could drone on and on and then afterward *it was like, "Wow, is he intelligent! *But, ummm, what did he say??" *Then, he was always putting President Bush on the defensive because the things he said were either totally idiotic or a pack of lies. *That forced Bush into the unenviable position of not only having to explain himself AND his policies, but also to have to imply that Kerry was either lying or nuts.

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I spoke out of turn before (this morning) now I would like to make one/two observations and that is we are all assuming that this is monday morning after the saturday football game, THIS IS FRIDAY MORNING. President Bush should have said this or that, sure he may have, if he had known the questions before hand, as I believe Kerry did.......Another observation, all the questions possed to Kerry were leading questions and common sense would give you the answer...President Bush did not have this oppertunity handed to him.....Dirty tricks. OK? am I wrong?

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[gourmet]

In my mind, you are totally correct Bud.

[thissong]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif We all know that President Bush isn't the greatest public speaker that has occupied the White House. He trounced Gore in the debates because he stuck to his values and beliefs and Gore made himself look like an elite a**----. Last night the President still stuck to his values & beliefs. Kerry may be a better orater and he didn't make the same mistakes Gore made, but he still waffled & flip-flopped. He made claims of us needing a bigger, better, faster coalition in Iraq, but no coalition with N. Korea. All he could do was repeat bigger, better, faster whatevers all under his 4 year secret plan. And when did Kerry lose troops under his command? That's not even in the Swift Boat book. Kerry claimed he knew what it was like to lose men under his command. How? He never lost anyone under his command. He was too busy running from danger. Kerry's remarks about not going to war until the US meets a "global test" means needing a permission slip from the UN to defend ourselves. To hell with that! So if you stop and think about it, Bush won the debate and reasoning people will vote for Bush. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif

[firstshirtslady]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif Just a couple of things to say about the debate.
what would you rather have as CIC who steadly stands by his word..does the job we elected him to do?
Or a big faT blowhard that lies out of both sides of his mouth!!
I agree on the fact, that President Bush seemed tired and I think he got a little angry at times and really wanted to jump down sKerrys throat, but he held his cool and to me that was a hard thing to do.
I think President Bush did a very good job under all the pressure.I will always believe the questions was loaded for him, and the ones for that SOB from Mass. was given was a no brainer..he had his answers all ready..I hated the smirk on his face and the writing that he was doing through the whole debate, as if he was really working on the answers!!

Needless to say I voted for the President..and most important..I WILL GIVE HIM MY VOTE NOV.2nd. 2004!!

[SpicyTexan]

Quote[/b] (jimmyjoebob @ Oct. 01, 2004 -- 9:19 am)]Exactly. Even those that voted Bush won or had a draw have given constructive negatives that they took from the debates.
I can't agree with you more, jimmy! I felt so disappointed that I couldn't sleep well last night!oh boy! How I wish...bush would have hired you guys to prepare his debate! Seriously!!

Is there anything we can help our president? Is there anyway we can pass our comments, remarks to the bush team? any suggestions? It won't help the president if we just keep rambling all day long in this forum if the bush team doesn't get feedback from us! Can someone find out how we can reach to the bush team? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeese?

[kutch]

You said it all Morning Glory - Bush had been out all day viewing the flooding and lurch was getting a manicure and a new shinny suit.
I think President Bush was steady in his talk of what he has done and is going to do. The meeting lurch suggested made me laug my .ss off. Meanwhile 'Rome Burns'.
I wanted to puke when lurch brought up his service and what he knew first hand about war. He should have added how he managed all the camera quipment he carried around. Notice it was all on his face turned toward the camera in Naum? I figure the cameraman was one of his stage standing buddies.
You have to realize that this was a coached debate. The Clintonites were all over lurch and the only thing they didn't drill him on was his 'trouser tricks' performed at the White House on our tax payer money. I'll bet his cigars made the economy jump at that time.
My money is on Bush. He will protect America which is the most important thing right now. Who gives a darn about anything else that won't be here if we are attacked again?
I think debates should be done via R A D I O where people have to really listen. Not like the lady on DaySide today that said lurch got her vote by his manicure and shiny suit. How little it takes to satisfy some idiots.
I don't vote because someone could debate. It's like I always say, "Just because I can't sing, doesn't mean I can't cook"
GO GWB -
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[kwmoss]

SMOOTH TALKERS ARE A DIME A DOZEN AND USUALLY THEY'RE OVER PRICED. KERRY PROBABLY TOOK A BUNCH OF PROZAC OR SOMETHING TO KEEP HIM CALM. HE SEEMED COACHED TO ME. THE PRESIDENT THOUGHT ABOUT HIS RESPONSES, THEN GAVE THEM. I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT HE TOOK HIS TIME BEFORE SPEAKING , RATHER THAN JUST GIVING A HASTY ANSWER, IN ORDER TO APPEAR TO 'KNOW IT ALL.' ALSO, IF I WAS READING BETWEEN THE LINES, WITH KERRY, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S ANXIOUS TO START
SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif THE ONLY THING THAT THE DEBATE SHOWED ME, WAS THAT I'VE BEEN [RIGHT TO BACK BUSH. KERRY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THIS WAR AND THE DETERMINATION OF SOME OF THESE FANATICS.
K.

[jackcrowey]

Lehrer said that he made up the questions that he asked.
No one from the media should be able to make up the questions to be asked. *In my opinion, the fairest way would have been for the Democrats to submit a number of questions and the Republicans to submit the same amount.
Lehrer, in my mind, is a liberal and a libreral cnanot be impartial. *The questions that were asked were designed to make Kerry look better.
When Kerry asked Bush why he did not include France, Germany and Russia into the coalition, Bush should have brought up the food for oil scandel and that how our "Allies" were so involved making money that they wanted Saddam to stay in power.

[jonessa2]

Quote[/b] (Spiker555 @ Sep. 30, 2004 -- 9:16 pm)]Kerry was a better debater but didn't have any meat to defend himself. *Basically, he won on the overall delivery but lost on the contents. *Kerry spewed lies during tonight's debate.
Everything you said is the way I feel.

What is really scary is the message that kerry is sending our troops with his all-out Anti-war message. *Instead of fighting to win, kerry wants to appease, appease, appease.

What he doesn't understand about the face of war in the 21st century is that it is not being fought in a traditional American/european way.

The face of 21st century war is Arabic, Asian, Chinese. *All using non-traditional *methods of fighting. *All fighting to win with the most shock value. *And guess what. We are not just dealing with these countries, we are dealing with large numbers of their families that have settled in europe and America. (Some of which have established their radical beliefs).
We are not in a boxing ring with a referee.

Here is a verse that I ran across in a book I am reading.

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>There is more truth in one sword
than in ten thousand words.
---The KORAN</span></span>

The new guidelines in the case of a hijacking is to resist, instead of appease. *That is the clearest micro-cosmic example of how we should continue handling terrorists. *Talking and appeasing are not in their vocabulary.

And just where in the world did all this talk about russia come about.

And talk about nuclear, the Los Alamos incident(s) happened on clinton's watch. *For some reason our President did not want to point fingers and lay the blame on the shoulders of the person responsible for a lot of our mess---bill clinton.

Our President has had to deal with so much since 9/11. *He couldn't come in and just BE the President and get his groove on. *He had deal with things on-heard. *His hands are in so many fires. *Creation of Homeland Security, tearing down the walls of communication between agencies, securing ports. *You name it he has had to INITIATE a lot of things that others did not see with foresight that others did not have.

I am Proud of the way he has handled the affairs of our Country.
I am Proud of the character and integrity with which he has handled the Office of the Presidency.
I am Proud of the initiatives he has taken on healthcare, social security and education.

And you know what? *It is time for states to become more pro-active in their well-being. *The things that unions are crying about? Well, they have made the bed of our workers, and they have been responsible for the lose of jobs for those same workers. *
The cry of jobs going over-seas; well then encourage the growth of business so there are more jobs available. *
Open up Anwar for drilling.
Teach new skills and learn new skills so that the workforce can meet the expectations of the new technical society. *
Stop teaching people how to stay on welfare. *


Mr. President, I feel it is time to take off your boxing gloves and start street fighting with that pansy.

I know that you are worried about the results of negative comments. *But gosh. *How can kerry even comment on anything when he hasn't even been present doing HIS JOB as a senator. *kerry might have the gift of oration, but that has been something he has practised and practised on. *From the days in his short 4months in vietnam where he staged and had his crew videograph him while he acted out scenarios to his throwing his medals and giving his speech before the senate. *Everything is about john kerry. *The antiwar speech in the senate was calculated to give him visibility and a foothold for entry into his life-long goal of political life....

[jonessa2]

Quote[/b] (kutch @ Oct. 01, 2004 -- 12:54 pm)]I don't vote because someone could debate. It's like I always say, &quot;Just because I can't sing, doesn't mean I can't cook&quot;
GO GWB -
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<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>&quot;You can't play war hero if it's about a war where you threw your medals away,&quot; Hewitt said. (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041001/D85EAFU81.html)</span>

[Merika]

I think the RNC should hire Jimmyjoebob to help with response ideas in the furture! * http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Basheva]

Cnn just put up polls numbers that show no movement as a result of the debate. It also shows President Bush ahead in trustworthiness to lead the country in a war on terror.

They also made the point that no one who had ever won the first of a series of presidential debates had ever won the election:

Perot, Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, etc.

[ksimon33]

I caught myself somewhere between the &quot;uhhh-uhhh&quot; of G.W. being very thankful for V.P. Dick C. *Bush looked lost n shaken for most of the last 40 minutes and continued to fall back on the same phrase over n over: You can't lead from a position of disagreement with the task you lead to. *It hits home for this race and the debate. It even trumps the rest of the policy debate issues. *But it did get old and it at times seemed he couldn't think of anything else to say. *I really wish he had been more presentable and less whiney. *Kerry looked more presidential then the Bush last night and I am very happy that there are 2 more of these to go. *Bush needs some redemption after last night.

[AmericanAngel]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif Mr. Kerry attempted to show he had all the facts on his side but he was full of bluster as usual. Why can't this man stand on his own merits? He has none! The only way he can make himself look good is to put the President down. It is so childish.
I laughed when I heard him start using his experience in Vietnam as a point to prove he knows what its like for the soldiers in Iraq. He is still trying to play that card when we all know he came back to America and sold out his comrades in arms. That should be a warning to everyone. If he could sell those soldiers out, then look out America. He plans to sell us out to the U.N. from what he says. Join the World Tribunal? That's the first step to World Government. That stands against everything our country was founded on. We will no longer enjoy freedom if crybaby Kerry has his way.
He is a cold, cold man. His fake smiles don't change who he is.
It strikes fear in my heart to see his supporters so blindly following him, wanting him elected at any cost. Heaven help us all if he is elected. It will be the end of the world as we know it.

[paige]

Of all of the things sKerry said (besides of course the &quot;Global Test&quot; remark) last night, I was most surprised that he referenced his Vietnam duty I know over 6 times. That took a lot of gall. One would figure with all of the heat and controversy over his Vietnam duty, it might be best to stay away from that topic. How hard it must have been for President Bush to refrain from calling him out on his service record(s)...or lack thereof!

Kerry is going to continue to fall on his military service despite advice from his camp not to. I think this is a &quot;COLOSSAL&quot; error for Kerry and one that is going to continue to work in our favor.

[Babylamb58]

Where as I do feel that Senator Kerry presented himself better last night then president Bush I still felt confused by what he had to say. He kept talking about his plan but wouldn't mention exactly what his plan was. I for one would like to know. Also he definately did not change my mind to decide as to who I'm going to vote for. I still have every intention of voting for President Bush again. Hes been at this safety thing for 4 years and he knows what hes doing. I feel safer and think America is safer with the things that have been done for our safety since he has been president. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Mornin'Glory]

Hi,

A leopard does not change his spots. *This debate was eerily similar to Kerry at the DNC. *His references to Viet Nam and his preoccupation with Europe are an unending theme. * The Dems were crowing about his performance there and then what happened...no bounce.

The jury on the post debate debate on substance is still out. Kerry made some serious mistakes. *Senator John McCain was just on Hannity and pointed out some serious inconsistencies with Kerry's core beliefs. It won't take long for the &quot;new&quot; media- ie; the people in pajamas to start advancing these inconsistencies. *The Bush campaign has picked up on the key mistakes made by Kerry and they will begin to echo them. Since Kerry's mistakes were the same ones he has made in the past, it won't be hard to make these accusations stick. *As has been mentioned before in 2000, originally the debate win was given to Gore, but consensus changed after the facts were examined. Don't be surprised to see some of the wind taken out of Kerry's sails.

[KatyJ]

I voted for President Bush. *I believe Jim the liberal Lehrer was being unfair to President Bush. *He allowed Kerry an ample amount of time then he did with Bush. *Bush looked tired last night as well. *After all, he spent part of his day with the hurricane victims.

I have confidence that Bush will this election.

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[Floridaguy]

Quote[/b] ]This is my perspective. Remember in school, when you encountered the Know it All. This was a person armed with facts and figures, and could spout them off, BUT STILL DID NOT GET THE BIG PICTURE. *That is what I got from this debate, that Kerry focuses and obsesses over small things, but doesn't see the forrest for the trees. I'm going to go with Mornin' Glory here, because this pretty much sums it up for me, too. Do we know anyone else, who we were worried about in the debates, who absolutely seemed like a know-it-all, a bit haughty, disdainful of the &quot;cowboy&quot; he was running against? Could it have been Gore? Is Kerry that much different, but even more liberal, less well-spoken, and appears like more of a liar/flip-flopper? I sure think so! *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

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[Thundercat505]

when lurch tried to twist things around on gw he did it in such a way that it made no sense at all. his twist was to try to keep harping on one or two subjects that he has been trying to hit on all during the campaign.

when he says that he made a mis-statement on the money for iraq, everyone knew that it was not a statement, but a wrong vote on it since he was not supporting the troops with what they needed in the way of weapons, body armor etc.

this is another case of flip flop on his part and I think by the time he gets thru with the debates, everyone will be able to see it for what it is. whether they will vote accordingly, and smartly, we shall see.

[pcyrdad]

I'd have to call it a draw. President Bush won on content... there's absolutely no way to debate that. You also have to admit that Kerry looked more polished and prepared. Any lawyer or actor can do that, even (or maybe especially) if their speech consists of blatant lies and false allegations.

My concern is for the general public, especially the undecideds. I know the polls say Kerry won, but I believe that's only on the very surface. Come Monday, when everyone's had a chance to read the papers, watch the news, and talk to their family and friends, those numbers should change drastically. Some will stick with Kerry after this debate. Some will stick with Bush. Most will need another debate or two to make up their minds. So, until then, I have to call it a draw based on style and content, and wait a couple of days to see who gave the most lasting impression.

Speaking of impressions, did you notice each parties release after the debates? The Republicans released a video based on the content of Kerry's remarks; the Dems released one based on President Bush's facial expressions. My vote for the best post-debate release goes to the Republicans.

[candles]

I found it a draw, because Kerry was supose to sooooo good at debating and he just looked average.
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[Peach Pit]

Kerry was suave, cool, and impressive, not to mention his brand new manicure! On the art of debating, I'm afraid I would have to say that &quot;Lurch&quot; won! However, Bush spoke from the heart, and I am firmly behind him in his endeavors. So is my son, the Marine of now 17 years.

I am heartened to know assuredly that our current President will never bow to the will of &quot;GLOBAL authority&quot;! Our forefathers fought, cired, prayed, and died to give us an independent Republic. I would like to keep it that way! As for the US losing the respect of the UN, what sort of loss is that? I personally think the UN is a corrupt and useless organization, and we should STOP putting over two billion dollars a year into an organization that mocks and scorns us!

If the scenario of Bush oursourcing our jobs comes up in future debates, I would hope that Bush would remind the audience that CLINTON signed NAFTA into life in 1993. He also endorsed the WTO. President Bush, IMHO, inherited a mess for the prior administration. I am hoping he will do better with the next form of debate. (Is it &quot;Town Hall&quot;?) As much as it pains me to say it, he did not do very well last night, and was entirely too repetitive. I will continue to pray for his success.

Peach Pit

[smarzee]

I feel the President must really challenge Kerry in the next debate-He could have checked him several times during last nights debate and failed to do so. Bush must let those who do not pay attention until the debates, that Kerry voted to deny the soldiers protective gear that Kerry has voted to weaken the military at every opportunity over the last 20 years.
Being from Massachusetts I am aware of the flip flop senator. He has even voted more liberal than Ted Kennedy at times.

[AceAustin]

I also believe Kerry was coached with the questions for the debate. He was too polished and his answers well memorized and he was allowed to keep going back to other topics and not made to answer the question asked. *The questions were made to keep Bush on the defense anyone can see that fact. They were double teaming Bush. Considering the fact that Bush did not take the day off to prepare for the debates and was out talking with and praying with and for the people in Florida because of the hurricanes etc. is good reason why Bush looked tired. He put the people first you have to respect the man for that! I agree the debate could have been better but they showed Bush as a working man tired from a day of work it may just have been a strategy for sure to connect with the average working class undecided voters and not look like he was trying to impress the rich as Kerry did. I also agree next week after the debate has been gone over with a fine tooth comb Bush will be declared the real winner. So I wonder do you think Kerry got permission from the UN to debate Bush? Did the UN have to approve the questons? Soooo many questions so little time.

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[Vegas Rudy]

Quote[/b] (jimmyjoebob @ Oct. 01, 2004 -- 7:20 am)]I voted that Kerry won the most points from the debate. Since
I know who I will vote for, I watched the debate with a
potential undecided voter in mind.

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Kerry needs to answer one question to the American people.
What the hell is a &quot;global test&quot; in deciding America's security?

[msperfect]

Did anyone else notice the lack of questions to sKerry about his past actions such as voting for the war, then voting against funding the troops? Or why he thinks we need more of a multinational coalition in Iraq, but we should only have bilateral talks with North Korea? Or why he voted against funding for our military and intelligence services in the past? What about missing 76% of the intelligence meetings after the first World Trade attack? All the questions focused on what BUSH did wrong, and how sKerry would do it better.

I do wish Bush had been more confident and comfortable, but Merika Posted on Sep. 30, 2004 -- 11:39 pm
[/QUOTE]Here's an interesting thought.....I had a friend in email wonder if sKerry had any previous knowledge of the questions. His command of the topics seemed somewhat out of character. [QUOTE]

That's a very interesting thought, Merika. But surely sKerry and the dummycraps wouldn't cheat, would they! More likely, sKerry depended on his PBS buddy, Lehrer, to stack the deck for him!! &gt;&gt;
I read in my local paper this morning that Lehrer went over to John Kerry after the debate to shake his hand. It reported a wink to the challenger as they shook hands. Also Stephanopolous told &quot;his&quot; people when Clinton was to debate that Lehrer was &quot;our moderator&quot;.
Just a thought
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[ladybug_guam]

Here's an e-mail I sent to PBS.... I think if we all send them one, maybe the next time he'll ask questions with less bias:
My family has always donated and supported PBS, but bias on Jim Lehrer easy questions for Kerry and badgering of the President put a stop to both.
Here are some of the ? we were interested in:Kerry's long Senate record of voting against defense appropriations, or his sponsorship of a bill to cut CIA funding by $6 billion a year after terrorists struck the World Trade Center in 1993, or Kerry's support of the nuclear freeze movement during the height of the Cold War.
Kerry wasn't asked why he teamed up with Jane Fonda to protest the Vietnam War while his band of brothers were still on the battlefield, or why he met with enemy leaders in Paris, or why he accused fellow soldiers of being &quot;monsters&quot; and &quot;war criminals.&quot;
Likewise, the PBS host declined to ask Kerry about comments in recent days from French and German officials who announced they have no intention of sending troops to Iraq, even if Kerry is elected.
At the end of the debate, the PBS anchorman shook Sen. Kerry's hand - with some debate watchers claiming he gave the top Democrat a knowing wink.
Something similar to Dan Rather has occurred, like Kerry had the questions before hand?
Adios, PBS, never to be watched again!
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[Ten_Ken]

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'>In the Poll, I voted a draw. Now, I know that Bush won on substance of the debate, but Kerry won on style. Of course, alot of people such as us in this group can do some research in rip Kerry's response to the questions to thread.
I myself didnt see the debate on TV, had to work thursday night and listen to it on the XM on fox. So I didnt see the expressions on Bush's face when Kerry was speaking.
I know that most of questions asked was to discredit Bush more then Kerry. What got me that none was directed to Kerry's 20 year career in the Senate. But Bush should had pointed that out. Kerry's attempt to cut intelligence by 6 billion dollars after the first world trade center bombing. Wanting to cut weapons programs both during the cold war and the ninties. Missing 76% of the Senate intelligence meetings. And Kerry had the nerve to criticize that Bush wasnt doing enough for homeland sercurity. Another statement that I remember that Kerry said was having the same type of diplomacy such as Reagan among other past presidents. Bush should had done a Lolyd Bentson and said &quot;Jim,my opponent mention Ronald Reagan, I know Ronald Reagan, my father served with Ronald Reagan as vice president, Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine, I regret to say, my opponent is no Ronald Reagan&quot;
The problem is, the rest of the voting public are now paying attention to what we have been paying attention for months, but, they are not as near as well informed on the issues as we are. And sorry to say, alot of America fall for the stlye, and not for the substance.
I know, I am playing &quot;monday morning&quot; quaterback, but hopefully this debate wont hurt Bush. And at worst, just motivated Kerry's base.
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[MudPuppy]

This one woke me up this morning http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shocked1.gif…

The President needs to hammer sKerry on his proposal for dealing with Iran. It's the most dangerously stupid thing I've heard him say since he became the Democrat's nominee.

He wants to give Iran the green light to develop nuclear plants to &quot;test&quot; their fidelity as to the benign intentions of their nuclear pursuits. This is a policy of appeasement wrapped in a &quot;goodness of their hearts&quot; national defense strategy. As a national defense policy, it's like giving a pyromaniac a can of gasoline &amp; some matches and expecting him NOT to burn your house down. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yikes.gif

There can be no peaceful purpose to a energy rich nation like Iran, run by a bunch malevolent mullahs pursiung such nuclear capabilities, yet sKerry believes Iran's &quot;peaceful intentions&quot; are &quot;a possibility&quot; that he's willing to bet all our lives on http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/fire.gif. Afterall, he was wrong in his assessment of the consequences of our withdrawl from South Vietnam.

[darknew]

I want to encourage everyone to work hard for President Bush. He has worked hard for us, not only to protect and free us and others in many ways, but to develop innovative, smarter and cost-cutting new policies that could encourage and support the have-nots to work towards contributing well rather than be filled with envy to tear down those who work hard in many areas of their lives, so that we can be controlled to support the envious complainers. [In the debate, GWB stayed in his role as our CEO, focused on his duties, weighed by what others, one present who mean harm to us contemplate, rather than become interested in debating Kerry, especially when the DEM strategy was to ruffle GWB with lies they wanted him to spend time reacting to. Although GWB listened attentively, he responded only to a key point each time and left too many Kerry remarks out there unquestioned, so to get to my point, that
I think his team asked that he only be himself and focus on his knowledge gained in his job, rather than on dismissing Kerry's ideas that are the beginning of Kerry's campaign's work to give them viability. We CAN ask his team to stress the importance of debating ideas by attacking flawed ideas as passionately as he promotes his own ideas, which is not negative attacks they worry about, for that is the whole point of debates! I imagine they wanted to leave the attacks to ads, etc.]
I wish his podium was lower, for he used his hands fairly well but they were not fully visible, also took notes spinmeisters denied he did.
I was told one can convey our thoughts best by working for his team who can send our ideas up the chain, and we all need to, anyway, and then come back here to share what others can use, unless we know someone higher up.

I saw c-span Brookings campaigns discussion and got these ideas of where to put our efforts: in letter writing to publications and calls to talk shows to talk up ideas/investigations that force larger media to deal with them as the Swift Boat men did, and focus on smaller towns the candidates don't come to or place ads in, because they can add up to many people. Also, I've been asked to reach out to people we do not usually have with us, by speaking at or 2 such groups.
My major point not heard mentioned was Kerry saying he wouldn't allow another country to &quot;veto our security.&quot; Does that imply the UN even gets a vote on our security? Also his admonition &quot;not to confuse war with warriors&quot; belies his treatment of his brothers-in-arms in Viet Nam, as well as South Viet Nam, Iraqi populations and many others the UN has ignored in chains prior to U.S. leading the way.

[jimmyjoebob]

darknew,
Quote[/b] ]We CAN ask his team to stress the importance of
debating ideas by attacking flawed ideas as passionately as
he promotes his own ideas, which is not negative attacks
they worry about, for that is the whole point of debates! I
imagine they wanted to leave the attacks to ads, etc.


I agree that Bush needs to dispel more of Kerry's rhetoric
and flawed ideas. Bush does need to defend his policy with
clear, concise facts, but go after Kerry too. I don't think the
word &quot;attack&quot; should be used for what I'm referring to,
more &quot;the light of truth&quot;.

I read a comment made by DNC Chairman, Terry McAuliffe,
where he commented that Bush was &quot;bitterly slumped&quot; over
the podium. Bush was slumped over the podium. This was
part of the media grind on Bush. They stated prior to the
debate that they would not adhere to the camera shot rules
and they shot every crappy angle they could find to create a
image they wanted to portray of Bush.The slump could be
seen when they shot angles of Bush from behind the podium


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[seccollins]

I do not need a debat to know which candidate is the best for our country. Without a doubt George W. Bush is the man to lead our country.



Sue E. Collins

[jimmyjoebob]

seccollins,
Quote[/b] ]I do not need a debat to know which candidate is
the best for our country. Without a doubt George W. Bush is
the man to lead our country.


You and I either. Unfortunately many do. Many treat the
Presidential election as a Miss America contest or a friday
night football game.

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[Stan75d2]

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http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bushsign.gif Enough said!

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I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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[KatyJ]

I don't need the debates either, because I'm faithfully voting for President Bush! *He's the right man for this country right now. *I don't think the liberals realize it.

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[Basheva]

Ya know, now that another day has passed and I have had time to not only think about this debate - but to feel the debate....I think President Bush did what he set out to do.

Though he didn't whiplash back with facts, figures and snappy lines he did hammer *home over and over and over again the one thing he needed to......

&quot;What kind of Commander in Chief will Kerry make?&quot;

&quot;This is not how a Commander in Chief leads.&quot;

That was his overriding message and that message came through loud and clear.

It became more than words it became visceral.

[jimmyjoebob]

Merika,
Quote[/b] ]I think the RNC should hire Jimmyjoebob to help
with response ideas in the furture!

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I think they would be in a world of trouble:

(Kerry is a low down stinking liar, coward, and opportunist.
His stated agenda is to build a coalition in Iraq, but the only
coalition he cares about is a voter coalition to receive your
votes and get him the Presidency. His idea of getting our
troops out of Iraq are similar to his same actions to get us out
of Vietnam. Capitulate to the enemy. His stated respect for
our troops in Iraq are similar to those he expressed about our
Vietnam patriots. Kerry's support for them is similar also.
Kerry's US war medals, while still under a veil of suspicion for
some, were less important to him than being recognized for
his contribution by his North Vietnam war allies. Kerry may
no longer be able to find those medals, but you can still find
him in the Vietnamese hall of fame. He says he will work hard
to establish credibility with the world community again, even if
it means that he must hand over US sovereignty to the UN.

So my fellow Americans your choice is clear. If you want a
free Iraq, a free sovereign America, an America free of
terrorist acts, a steadfast and decisive President, vote for me.

If you want an advocate for a new world order, a socialistic
America and well...... none of the above, vote for Kerry's new
KKK - Kerry/Kennedy/Klinton.
Commander Klink will be ready and willing to &quot;report for duty&quot;.)

Nawwww....just wouldn't work Merika.

Wait! .....I do speak Bush's language. Hummmm....maybe.

(My feller Americans. I'm fixin' ta tell yew tha truth. Kerry is a
back scootin' crawdad. If he were ta be yore President, all
would be lost. He ain't tha man fer yew. He wouldn't know tha
truth if it came up and pi$$ed in his face. Kerry's about as
bright as someone that wood eat yeller snow or grab a bull by
tha ba!!s. They say Texans are full of tall tales, but I'm tellin'
ya, even Moses was led by a Bush. Vote Bush this election
and we'll go ova yonder and kick some a$$. *)
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[Basheva]

LOLOL JimmyJoeBob - sounds sorta schizophrenic to me.

[4truth]

No doubt the President was not as focused as he could have been but his conviction did come across. And while President Bush spent the earlier part of the day visiting with victims of Hurricane Jeanne and consoling them, Kerry was busy getting a manicure. Bush still does his day job as President and Commander-in-Chief while Kerry has been absent from the Senate for the good part of a year. Also the Gallup poll numbers showing that most people rated Kerry the debate winner show by an equal margin that those polled believe that Bush would make a better president.

[jackbenimble]

Immediately after the first debate with Algore in 2000, everybody said that Bush lost.

But then the pot simmered for a couple of days and everybody started talking about Algore's sighing and other rude behavior and the consensus shifted towards Bush.

I think the same thing is happening now. Bush lost on style but I am seeing and hearing much more about sKerry's ridicuclous inconsistencies and flip flops and untruths and insults of our allies then I am hearing criticism of Bush.

Yeah, he looked a little tired and peevish but that does not give the news much to feed on. But there sure are a lot of great sKerry soundbites to rip apart. The press has made a game out of inventing the ripostes that Bush should have used. All their good oneliners almost as good as if Bush had said them himself.

Regards,
Jack

[Vt Dave]

This comment by JFK says it all for me;

&quot;No president through all of American history has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to pre-empt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you've got to do it in a way that passes the test. That passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing. And you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.&quot;

A global test?? I say, keep the UN out of Iraq, we don't need or want them involved.

When President Bush replied,

&quot;I'm not exactly sure what you mean: passes the 'global test.' You take pre-emptive action if you pass a global test? My attitude is you take pre-emptive action in order to protect the American people.&quot;

that said it all for me and won the debate for Bush.

[jonessa2]

Quote[/b] (jonessa2 @ Oct. 01, 2004 -- 2:10 pm)]<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>There is more truth in one sword
than in ten thousand words.
---The KORAN</span></span>
Mudpuppy,

I copied this saying verbatim where it was presented on a blank page just you start reading the book.

The author of the book's name is <span style='color:000000' >Jack Higgins</span>.
The title of the book is <span style='color:000000' >The President's Daughter</span>.
I believe the author is a Brit, whose genre is military/espionage fiction thrillers.

I know that you said you have read the Koran and have no recollection of that verse...but I did copy it from this book. *Now I want to read that darn Koran just to verify it.

[Basheva]

Finding a copy of the Koran is easily done.

The Moslem groups are flooding the public libraries with copies.

And of all the other Moslem books too including magazines.

They are bent on taking over the libraries. Someone told me on this board, that it is actually mentioned on one of the Moslem websites. Was it CAIR?

[MamaCat]

I was listening to Michael Savage last night on my way to a real estate appointment, and he made a very interesting observation about the debates that I missed and haven't heard elsewhere. He said that when Kerry came out on stage, he GRABBED President Bush's hand, shook it aggressively, rested his arm on the President's back, and then did not release his hand as Bush turned to walk to his podium. This was an aggressive &quot;Alpha Male&quot; action and it very likely was deliberate, and subconsciously affected the viewing audience as a show of dominance. Interesting, eh?
Makes me dislike Kerry even more --- if that is possible.

[KatyJ]

If the President experiences any pain, I think he should send the bill to Kerry.

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[Basheva]

The alpha male thingie is exactly what Gore tried to pull on President Bush in that debate where he walked over to Bush and stood over him.

Gore lost the election.

[soccermamamia]

Quote[/b] (Im4atbrka @ Oct. 02, 2004 -- 6:27 am)]I don't need the debates either, because I'm faithfully voting for President Bush! *He's the right man for this country right now. *I don't think the liberals realize it.

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actually I have several friends who are liberals and usually vote democrat but they told me they are voting for Bush. *They see Kerry as an appeaser &amp; weak and Bush as the leader who has made the right decisions re: *our security which is #1 reason they have for voting for him. *Three of these friends are Jewish. *I am Catholic. *We disagree on the pro choice stuff but economy and the war we agree on. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag19.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag19.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag19.gif

[Bob Redman]

Have a look at my essay &quot;Debatable Debate Observations&quot; at www.dontmoveon.org/KerryWilting.htm.

[Excerpt]
The “mixed signals” Kerry has been sending out for going on a year now have increased the number of the casualties we are suffering in Iraq. However, if you are paying close enough attention to him, you will see that some equally alarming signals he sends out are not mixed.

[MudPuppy]

Quote[/b] (Basheva @ Oct. 02, 2004 -- 1:37 pm)]The alpha male thingie is exactly what Gore tried to pull on President Bush in that debate where he walked over to Bush and stood over him.

Gore lost the election.
Good thing too… Any man who needs somebody else to tell him who he is is lost. sKerry can leave off the pretense, he's not fooling anybody with the psyco-babble.

As Sammy Davis Jr. used to say; some cats got it, and some cats ain't.