Islamic Immigration problems in Europe

[German67]

Exactly the same problem is present in each and every Western country that has carelessly opened the floodgates to mass immigration from the Muslim world. An early sign of what was about to hit England came almost 20 years ago in a document published by the Islamic Foundation in the industrial city of Leicester, 100 miles north of London. According to this official publication, the Islamic Movement is,

“an organized struggle to change the existing society into an Islamic society based on the Koran and the Sunna and make Islam, which is a code for entire life, supreme and dominant, especially in the socio-political spheres… the ultimate objective of the Islamic movement shall not be realized unless the struggle is made by locals. For it is only they who have the power to change the society into an Islamic society.”

Jihad has never had it so good. The Moslem population of the world has been exploding, not only in Asia and Africa but also in Europe and the United States. Unlike the Western democracies, China, Japan and India, all of which try to control the birth rate in order to raise living standards, most Muslim countries regard demography as a political weapon. They will gladly export their surplus population to Europe and America, aware that the bigger the diaspora, the greater the political influence it will exert, and the more concessions the Islamic world will be able to extort from the West.

http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif This is a scary article and a must read!

http://www.frontpagemag.com /Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5 239

In 1948, running for President, Truman was on a whistle-stop train tour across the country, and at one stop, somebody yelled up to him, ``Give 'em hell, Harry.''

``I never give 'em hell,'' Truman replied. ``I just tell the truth and they think it's hell.''

[Aknauta]

No question it is a serious problem but should be able to be controlled. Most of the immigrant are there for the money, to make a living, something they couldn't reasonably do at home.

Countries under the pressure from immigrants can simply make regulations designed to expell any family wherein there exists a trouble-maker. That will shut them up quickly. A good educational system will take care of the children.
However the immigrant problem is only partly due to immigrants. It is also due to a dirty little secret.
Europe is considerably more racist than America, or many other nations too. It is European racism that drives the anger of most immigrants, understandable too.

Until Europeans learn about racial harmony from Americans, we can expect lots more immigration problems out of Europe.

[navyblue]

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Until Europeans learn about racial harmony from Americans, we can expect lots more immigration problems out of Europe.
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It may well be so Aknauta, but then maybe the Euros are still smarting from the 7 centuries of domination of Southern Europe by the Islamics. Until they were finally defeated by the Christian fleet at Lepanto, the islamics were well on their way to domination of Europe. *Even knocking at the door of Vienna. *

It was so in the 8th century, it was so in the 15th century and it is so in the 21st century! *Islam is dedicated to world domination and conversion to the religion of Allah. *I don't care what Patty Murray says! *History says otherwise! *Islam is our enemy and the biggest threat the world has every known.

BTW Aknauta.....wanna buy a Westsail 32?

[Terri]

I'm not so sure that public schools are going to change any little Islamic minds. These are parents who do teach their values at home and who are also very invested in home schooling or setting up Islamic schools in this country.

Btw Aknauta, on another thread I asked where you stood on open borders and illegal immigration but I think you missed my question.

[navyblue]

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An interesting point Terri! *I have been a proponent of the voucher system because I think education in the public schools is next to useless. *But I have to pause here when I consider that if vouchers become available for everyone, we might be subsidizing our own subversion. *I may have to rethink my position.

[Saber]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Europe is considerably more racist than America, or many other nations too. It is European racism that drives the anger of most immigrants, understandable too.
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Wow. That's sure not what I get from the volumes of articles I read coming out of Europe. They are so PC over there that I'm surprised they aren't all hunchbacked from bending over to the ankles at the altar of multiculturalism.

[Der Alte]

Between the Muslims and the Mexicans, we have a big problem. One wants our heart, souls, and country - the other will settle for our money and country. Either way, we lose. My first exposure to the Muslim culture was in 1959 in North Africa and Turkey - there I saw the real thing, no care for life, you do it my way or else. They are as brutal as any group that has inhabited any part of the earth. As others have inferred - there will be war between the West and the Muslim world. When, I don't know, but rest assured, it will happen.

[Terri]

A major difference to me is that Mexican nationals will eventually assimilate. It takes three generations to fully make the adjustment and then you have good American citizens, if not sooner. It's just that we have too many aliens at once right now.

I don't know how it goes with those of the Muslim faith. We must have citizens here who are several generations in but I don't know about them. Does anyone have any examples to offer?

[pRIMrose]

I think you already touched on this Terri. Eventually the Mexicans will assimilate and they are of Christian persuasion. The more that we allow the illegals to flood in, however, the longer it will take for them to assimilate. Not so, IMO, with the Muslims. They have no intention, now or ever, of assimilating. They are here to proliferate the Islamic (Muslim) religion and culture. Of course there a exceptions ~ but for the most part this is true. Ergo ~ to me they are much bigger threat to preservation of American culture than any other segment of our society. They are also very hostile to the American way of life, even though they are enjoying the benefits. A very convoluted situation.

If Europe was so intelligent, why do they come whining to us every time they get themselves into a pinch? I guess they intend to appease the Muslims just the way they did the Germans in the 30's.

[Saber]

I think there are many Mexicans that have NO intent of &quot;assimilating&quot;. Many of them are most interested in Azatlan........ especially the ones in the border states who consistently fly &quot;their&quot; flags..have &quot;their&quot; parades....and have &quot;their&quot; bumper stickers and moving text boxes announcing their Azatlan intentions.

[Terri]

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But this is what I wish someone would show me. Logic tells me there are Muslims who have assimilated into our culture but where are they? Why aren't they speaking up and telling those coming here from their counties now that assimilation is a good thing? I keep waiting to hear these voices and I haven't.

Saber, of course there are activists and they have the inside track with people who are newly here and scared to death of being sent back. There are criminals and drug dealers who come across too. But MOST of the people coming over illegally want jobs and want a better life for their families. Therefore they do become part of our country in time.

None of that changes the fact that we have to close the borders because we cannot handle the sheer volume.

[nekela]

http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif I know this could never happen , but I think the best thing we could do right now is round up all the illegals and even some of the legals who are causing us problems and ship them all home. Later they could get on a list and then we could decide who came in and who stayed out. The one thing they could do right now is to close our borders and let no one in until everything is settled. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Bob2351]

At very best moderate Muslims are willing to stand by and allow the radicals to wage war against us. There has been no outcry from the Muslim community against the terrorist because there is no opposition. It does not exist. The very core of Islam directs them to kill the infidels and that puts our way of life in jeopardy. I do not see any help comming from the Muslims.

[BillKat]

I find it sooooo interesting that the majority of Muslims detest the Western Culture, yet so many of them are living here in the states reaping the benefits of living here. What a bunch of hippocrits.

[Saber]

HI Billkat! You are SOOOOOOO right! Hipocrit indeed! And I hear of their love of lap dancing and drinking too. Guess only the part about &quot;killing the infidel&quot; seems to ring true to them. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif