Bill Cosby Has More Harsh Words for Black Community

[Terri]

Bill Cosby Has More Harsh Words for Black Community

TBO
July 1, 2004

Bill Cosby went off on another tirade against the black community Thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere."
He also had harsh words for struggling black men, telling them: "Stop beating up your women because you can't find a job."

Cosby made headlines in May when he upbraided some poor blacks for their grammar and accused them of squandering opportunities the civil rights movement gave them. He shot back Thursday, saying his detractors were trying in vain to hide the black community's "dirty laundry."

"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day, it's cursing and calling each other n--- as they're walking up and down the street," Cosby said during an appearance at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & Citizenship Education Fund's annual conference.

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[Original Rebel]

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Good for Bill. I wrote a kudos letter to the editor. It's about time that someone from the black community actually told the folks how wrong they are to live like they do. Hopefully Mr. Cosby's remarks will be taken to heart by some of the very ones he was referring to.

Anyway...I posted you a private note, Terri. Now, I'm going to bed. I just had to drop by this when I saw Cosby's name. I really like him. I enjoyed all of his movies and his tv show.

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[pcyrdad]

Why on earth is it that two-bit thugs like Jesse Jackson are proclaimed "leaders of the black community," but honest men with education, stature, and wisdom are seen as pariahs?

[lpara]

Oliver North said tonight that JJ looked shocked and a little worried when BC said all those things. *I was concentrating on the words of BC and kind of missed some of JJ's actions. *What BC was so true, and I'm glad he said it. *No one else <s>can</s> or will.

[azwhitewolf]

Quote[/b] ]calling each other n--- as they're walking up and down the street,&quot; Cosby said during an appearance at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition &amp; Citizenship Education Fund's annual conference.
Ya think Cosby is part of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition?

Hmmm... veddy intaresstin....

Obviously he has some relationship with them.

[pRIMrose]

AZ, I don't think Cosby is an opportunist like JJ. He may support much of what the RC does, but he definitely doesn't seem to support the &quot;poor me victim&quot; syndrome that JJ pushes. He is what the black community sorely needs. They've been coddled and pandered to long enough ~ with nothing but adverse results. Tough love can be very rewarding ~ to those who are smart enough to recognize it. Cosby can pull this off without losing credibility with the black community. He's a living success story. I'll admit, I was very surprised when I first read what he said a few weeks ago. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Good for him for stepping up and calling it like it is. He could be the catalyst that shakes some sense into a community that, like President Bush so aptly put it, suffers from &quot;the bigotry of low expectations.&quot;

[Terri]

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[rangerrebew]

As a teacher, I can say with all honesty what BC is saying is true. But my real interest was with the &quot;reverend's&quot; comments. Wasn't he the one who recently blasted the GOP for going back to civil war times with their legislation? Isn't this the administration that has an education program called NO Child Left Behind; it doesn't say except African-Americans, does it? And isn't the Secretary of Education black? But with Cosby talking, Jessah suddenly agrees that isn't the white person holding blacks back, but isn't that how he has made all his money, by extorting whites for holding the African-American back? Methinks I'm confused or the &quot;reverend&quot; is a hypocrite. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif But a &quot;man of the cloth&quot; can't be a hypocrite, can he? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif

[lpara]

Quote[/b] ]Methinks I'm confused or the &quot;reverend&quot; is a hypocrite. But a &quot;man of the cloth&quot; can't be a hypocrite, can he?

Me thinks you're calling a spade a spade and the &quot;reverend&quot; is confused. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif He's a HUGE HYPOCRITE Calling him a reverend is a misnomer IMNSHO.

[Basheva]

Quote[/b] ]Why on earth is it that two-bit thugs like Jesse Jackson are proclaimed &quot;leaders of the black community,&quot; but honest men with education, stature, and wisdom are seen as pariahs?



This has been my thesis for many a year. The Black community raises on high Black athletes, or rap singers, or outright thugs, but it systematically denigrates those Black people who have truly made it big time through their intellect and hard work.

They have denigrated - excoriated, people like Justice Clarence Thomas who came from poverty to the highest judicial office in the country (aside from Chief Justice).

They have denigrated Secretary of State (and a four star general) Colin Powell - they say he isn't black enough.

They have ignored (at best) National Security Advisor Dr. C. Rice. - I am sure somehow her gifts have made her less black, too.

Every single Black person who has made it big time in so many fields - has been systematically denigrated and/or ignored.

Why? Because it doesn't fit the agenda of people like Jesse Jackson. Those successful Black people have shown they don't need him - they have minds of their own. They can do it on their own. This threatens the likes of Jesse Jackson.

So, the result is Black children practice basketball instead of doing their schoolwork. Therefore, unless they are super talented in basketball (which is a rare rare physical talent) they are left with nothing to fall back on and fall through the hoop.

People like Jesse Jackson who set themselves up as leaders are worse, far worse, than having no leaders at all. He is worse because he actually leads them in the wrong direction.

[Mary-Lou]

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[musicbuyer]

I've always liked the Cos. *Now I LOVE HIM! * http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[AZJen]

What was said needed to be said.

And I'm surprised that more people like Bill Cosby, Condi Rice, Alan Keyes, Colin Powell, and the scores and scores of other highly respected, educated, involved, blacks don't step up to the plate as well.

Once again - the silent majority needs to become vocal; the vocal minority - atheletes, rap stars, actors, etc. are sending kids (and adults for that matter) the WRONG message - and it's being heard loud and clear.

[Nancy521]

My applause to Cosby for actually trying to undo what Jackson has spent his life doing to his own community. Writers like Thomas Sowell and Ken Hamblin have been saying these very same things for years, only to be rejected by race pimps like Je$$e Jackson.

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[KCodenys]

What a hypocrite JJ is!! If a white person said what BC said, they would be condemned to high heaven for being a racist. Good for BC for saying what he did. It's about time someone spoke the truth to them. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif

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Kudos to Bill Cosby!

Condaleeza, Colin, Clarence, etc. are probably silently cheering him on as they can not do so themselves publicly! And what a shame that they can not. She is a brilliant woman!

I'd like to see Jess Jacksund (as Rush calls him) taken off of the public &quot;poor me&quot; syndrome podium. About five years of laryngitis and the black community may forget him and his stupidity. What an idiot this hypocrit is. He has so much to answer for - dragging all these people down with him.

Kudos to Cos!!!

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God Bless AMERICA, President and Mrs. Bush, our HEROES abroad fighting for our Precious Freedoms and let's keep these all in our prayers.


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[Basheva]

Though I am fully applauding Cosby now, there was a time it was otherwise.

Remember the Cosby show? In the first couple of years it was the funniest show around. But then he started getting very political. He named two of the kids on the show &quot;Nelson&quot; and &quot;Winny.&quot; Winny Mendela turned out to be a violent woman with a criminal record. The show got to be considerably anti-white. At that point I turned it off.

Apparently, Cosby has changed his opinion. It isn't the white folks holding down the black folks any more. It's coming from within their own community. A systemic lack of requiring standards and holding up the true icons of accomplishment.

[Katiemac]

[Apparently, Cosby has changed his opinion. It isn't the white folks holding down the black folks any more. It's coming from within their own community]

I'm not so sure his opinion has changed,he said some things that needed to be said,but implied that if whites agreed with him it would somehow be racist.I've had agruments with black people when explaining that the N word was being kept alive by them,they seem to feel that, in secret ,whites use that word all the time.They absolutely refused to believe that this is word we can't even use when quoting lyrics or someone elses statement. I was raised and went to school in a mixed community before the &quot;Great Society&quot; where young black children and their families were eager for an education,were very respectful of their elders both black and white(much more so than white children)which I found admirable. At some point in the early sixties blacks were told they shouldn't even attempt to achieve because of what happened over 100 years before they were bound to fail,they were told they were owed support from the goverment. Unfortunately at the same time so many opportunities opened for them they were told not to even try to achieve their goals,hell they were told not to have any goals. I hope this is the start of a change in perspective in the black community.It would be great if we as a country could could agree on right is right and wrong is wrong ,no matter what the race of the person doing it.

[Alphtoo]

I wish I could email Bill Cosby and thank him for his wisdom and insight. I'm a 53 year old white man, born and reared in South Carolina by Southern parents, and if they'd ever heard me utter the &quot;n&quot; word they'd have slapped my teeth out. That sort of talk was simply not tolerated in my home.

Mr. Cosby has been a hero of mine for many years... first for his humor and later for his wisdom. But please note: what he said, while directed toward the Black community, is equally applicable to the poor White community. If we want our children to have a better life, it's up to us to provide the opportunity for them. It *must* start at home well before a child starts school. If a child doesn't have any knowledge by the time (s)he is three or four years old there's not much even the best school can do for the kid. Children must be given a bit of knowledge and shown how to find more, and this process should start as soon after their birth as possible.

Heck, I have a nephew who was studying his mother's medical encyclopedia before he started kindergarten (and not just the pictures... he was reading it). Build a hunger for knowledge from the earliest possible time in a child's life, and that child can excell at anything (s)he chooses to do.

- Alph

[lpara]

Quote[/b] ]Remember the Cosby show? In the first couple of years it was the funniest show around. But then he started getting very political. He named two of the kids on the show &quot;Nelson&quot; and &quot;Winny.&quot; Winny Mendela turned out to be a violent woman with a criminal record. The show got to be considerably anti-white. At that point I turned it off.

He's definitely a liberal, politically. We really like his old, old shows and have some taped. We play them when we need a good http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laff.gif But like you, we never watched the newer ones as they were extremely politically steered to the left.

There really are a some humongous black hypocrites who put politics before everything and this is overwhelmingly proved by their dislike for Colin Powell, Condi, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, etc., etc. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shake.gif

[Basheva]

I was once having a conversation with a black person who was telling me in no uncertain terms how white people were the cause of every black person's problems. *He, himself, was quite successful, however.

Finally, in utter frustration I quietly told him:

&quot;You know, I don't get up every morning just to make some black person's life miserable. *It just isn't something that's on my agenda. *Furthermore, if black people in this country succeed, America is better off.&quot;

He was so astonished at this &quot;news&quot; that he actually was speechless.

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I remember back in the early 1970's (I think it was) when the first black mayor was voted in (was it in Georgia?) and a black man-on-the-street was interviewed and asked how he thought this would affect his future as an ordinary citizen. *I will never forget his answer:

&quot;Now, we all going to be rich!!&quot;

How trite. *How infantile. *Did he really think that the election of a black mayor would make black people rich? *Had a couple of hundred years of white mayors made ordinary white citizens rich?

What it really said was that he thought all he had to do was wait around and this mayor was going to fork over the city's treasury. *So, I guess he's still waiting.

It shows the mindset of the welfare state with which some in *the black community have been brainwashed.

[Nancy521]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't always like the politics of Colin Powell either on certain items. But the one thing I hope to see is for the black community to wake up to what they've allowed to have happen ala Jesse Jackson and the even deeper damage done by the likes of the Black Panthers and Louis Farkwad. When we have a citizen in this country who wants to claim innocence for murdering his two year old and blame it on post traumatic slave syndrome, it's truly run amok.

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[teresadavis]

&quot;Methinks I'm confused or the &quot;reverend&quot; is a hypocrite. But a &quot;man of the cloth&quot; can't be a hypocrite, can he?&quot;

No he isn't a hypocrite. He is a LIAR. He is NOT a &quot;reverned&quot; or a &quot;man of the cloth.&quot; That is just something he calls himself to try to look good.

[Thundercat505]

I did like cosby at one time, but when he got too radical with his shows and then really got radical and had to eat crow, I had no use for him. he was willing to fork out 5 grand when a girl was found to have racial slurs written all over her and tied up. money was forthcoming from all over and he wanted these people caught so he was willing to shell out.

about a month later, it was found out that she and her mother had staged this to get money. he had to eat crow and I have had no use for him since. I applaud his statements though because he is right. I wish I had a nickle for everytime in La. that I heard the n word in the hall, and it wasn't a white person saying it. they were calling each other that, but if a white said it they took offense at it. made a lot of sense.

I would say that out of the 250 or so blacks in my graduating class no more than 10 have made something of themselves. sure most work, but menial jobs because they couldn't read well. it is about time one of their own stands up and says what needs to be said and point out the error of their ways.

as for jj, he shouldnt' be surprised since bc popped off a few weeks back with about the same thing.

[mtnwoods]

It is about time someone with credibility in the black community finally said this. I am a black conservative and I am so tired of hearing the excuses from folks about how &quot;the man&quot; brings them down. My husband grew up in the inner city and he gets so angry at the dems when they say they are trying to help out the minorities. He always says, &quot;If they were trying to help out, the big cities would be in better shape.&quot; Kids cannot turn out to be productive citizens without home training. They will not think education is important if their parents don't make them learn. They will not treat each other with respect unless they learn that at home.
The n-word is a problem. It is everywhere. Has anyone seen a video on BET lately? Talk about degrading women! Dr King spoke about people being responsible for their actions. He said that blacks needed to carry themselves with dignity. Look at the rap industry in general. It is a disgrace.
Jesse looked shocked when Cosby was saying all of these things. He actually looked confused. Then I saw him in an interview and he said that Cosby was saying that this is all because we don't have equal opportunity and we have to make that possible in this country. Hmmm. We have equal opportunity out the wazoo. Jesse's probably just worried he won't be able to shake down anymore companies if they start buying in to what Cosby says. He disgusts me. It angers me that he is called a &quot;black leader&quot;. He is no leader of mine. There are plenty of other people who are black that are way better examples. Many of them have been listed in the previous posts. Besides, I want my kids to look up to people for their character and integrity, not their color. I always tell my son, his color is not what defines him.

[Mary-Lou]

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[mtnwoods]

Thanks, Mary-Lou! My sympathies are with the citizens of Massachusetts! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[lpara]

May I offer accolades to you, mtnwoods! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bowlow.gif *I am so thankful to have read your words and give you a standing ovation for them! *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yelclap.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/clap.gif *Like ML said, Quote[/b] ]Run the race with patience, fight the good fight and keep the faith, my friend! *Amen and Amen! *Glad to have you on board our gopusa ship http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrinangelA.gif

[Basheva]

Mtnwoods:

We need you. We need your voice. We need your voice joined with our voices. We can be a great country only if we are together.

The welfare state has been tried and it has failed. It has failed those it was supposed to help and those who wanted to help.

Affirmative action has injured the self-respect of those it was supposed to help. It has placed doubts on their own abilities both within themselves and for those who thought it was the right thing to do.

There is only one way to success and that is through the mentoring, nurturing of the parents and the dedication of the student. There is no other way.

There has to be a community environment that says: Education is good. Learning is good. Having a good mind is a good thing. Succeeding by using the mind is a good thing.

Prominent black voices have to say this.

Bill Cosby is an interesting case. As I understand it he came from a financially struggling family in Philadelphia. He became rich and famous with his talent in comedy. But, then, most importantly - he was not content with that fame and fortune. Nope, he then went out and got himself an education all the way up to a doctorate. Now that's a role model.

[Corgie Girl]

The so-called black leadership has to keep the Victo-crat mentality alive because it is their bread and butter. By creating class hatred and racial hatred alive, they get speaking gigs that keep them living large in comparison to their constituency. They know what the ills are in their community, but race to feed into them rather than offer solutions, because this gives them status and a livelihood.

The black leadership has done more to keep racism alive (black against white) and the community's repressed economic standing that any skinhead or KKK dragon ever has done. They have casued their people to accept that their failure in life is due to Whitey rather than their own lack of self-control and life choices. When 85% of black children are born out of wedlock and no black leader addresses this as a major factor of poverty and lack of discipline in the community, then the black community is doomed to fail again and again!

A black muslin leader (I think Enfume) just said the other day that blacks have gone backwards economically and professionally under Republican preseidencies. Larry Elder was on the radio, stating department of labor and IRS reports that show that just the opposite has happened. Under Republican presidencies the black community has out-stripped percentage-wise the white community. Under the Democrats, the opposite happened. Does the major media point this out? No they report the negative, and the facts never see the light of day!

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Well said, Mtnwoods. It appears to me that you would be an excellent role model. Ever thought about public office?

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[gophamet]

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[mtnwoods]

Quote[/b] (gophamet @ July 06, 2004 -- 6:20 pm)]there is a whole government program dedicated to blacks,although not the only one,its called section8 ,perpetrated on the american taxpayer,to house these animals,and trust me,only blacks live in these places,the destruction is unbelievable,none of these people work,the places are full of crackheads,prostitut es,and the iq deficient,and people so obese they cant work,if blacks are so poor how do they get so fat?
I hope this post is a joke. *First of all, Section 8 is not just for blacks. *There are all colors of people living in section 8. *It seems to me that no matter what your color is, if you don't own something, you will not take care for it as much. *If you don't have to put your own blood, sweat, and tears into something, what does it matter if it is destroyed.
Secondly, obesity is rampant in the poor because many of the foods that are the cheapest are enriched foods that are terrible for your body. *I believe Atkins talks about this in his book.
Quote[/b] ]then you see white teens wanting to emulate these losers,,,ie,,pants down to their knees,listening to idiotic rap and talking like these idiots,and it only gets worse
Wouldn't this be their parent's fault? *I think what Cosby said applies to all parents.
By the way, Original Rebel, I have thought about public office. *Right now I am just trying to be a great role model to my kids and people in my life. *Maybe one day after they grow up!

[Mary-Lou]

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[Katiemac]

(it seems to me that no matter what your color is, if you don't own something, you will not take care for it as much.)
I'll agree with much you've said mtnwoods but I rented for many years,I didn't own it but it was my home.I took pride in it and realized that the care I took of my home reflected on my life and lifestyle. I think many owners believe that the terrible tenants are representative of all but I don't think this is the case(the tenants who create no problems are not memorable).People who have no respect for themselves or anyone else live in squalor and create a chaotic enviroment.

[mtnwoods]

Quote[/b] ]Many time a &quot;troll&quot; will come in, drop a bomb and leave. Their primary purpose is to promote discord.
Mary-Lou I figured that, but then I thought, if we let that foolishness go unanswered, maybe that person will have the thought that conservatives really do believe that way. It was too hate filled to be a conservative anyway. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Katiemac you are correct. I think I could have put it better by saying, if you don't pay for something you will not take care of it like you would if the money came out of your own pocket. I see this in my kids all the time and I remember my grandfather telling me that when I was young. I think we can all remember how much we took care of the first car we purchased! How did I have that much time to clean and wax my car?! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Basheva]

As I have been mentioning the in the Precinct thread I am reading a book by Ward Connerly &quot;Creating Equal.&quot; I want to mention this book in this thread, because he is another man who should be considered a hero by people of every race.

The book is excellent and I heartily recommend it.

This is a case of a man who grew up with a loving but extremely poor family. They were financially poor but in every other sense wealthy. He was the first to finish high school in his family and the first to go to college.

He ended up taking on the entire University of California (a monolith if there ever was one) and its entrenched affirmative action policy for admission, purchasing, administration and faculty. Instead of &quot;affirmative&quot; the system had become &quot;negative&quot; for anyone who wasn't black. For instance: Even a wealthy black student would be given preference over every other race and economic level. Students who were white, Asian, Hispanic, etc., with better grades were being turned away. Connerly was appalled by this.

He felt that it was not only corruptive to otherwise worthy students, but also corrupted the students it was supposed to help.

Eventually he extended this battle to the entire state and successfully changed both the U of C and the State of California as a whole.

For his efforts he was vilified, threatened, rioted against, by every left group including those on the national level. Jesse Jackson practically took up residence in the state to fight Connerly. Connerly is a brave man who believed in something and fought for it. Why is he not considered a role model of what one can do with determination and hard work?

By the way, for those of you who may not be familiar with what happened...Ward Connerly is black and is still actively working on this issue in other states. (last I heard)

[mtnwoods]

Basheva, thanks for the book title. I will put it on my list of &quot;to read&quot; books. I really like Connerly. I have seen several interviews with him. He is brilliant.

[DC Diva]

A belated WELCOME to ya mtnwoods *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/happydance.gif

Quote[/b] ]Wouldn't this be their parent's fault? *I think what Cosby said applies to all parents.

Yes!! *Excellent point!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yelclap.gif

ALL parents need to be parents and make certain that their children know who they are and what they believe. *Then they need to see their parents live their lives accordingly, for themselves and as an example!

I have begun working with several Black conservative groups in DC, absolute stellar people. *It has been a real education for me, a chance to see things from a new perspective. *I have enjoyed it greatly and look forward to working with these organizations in the future. *

Sheila * http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif

PS I am in Virginia too!

[Original Rebel]

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That's basically what I meant mtnwoods...I recall that you have a young family to raise. But, with your common sense, I think you could contribute greatly at a political level as well, once your primary concerns are grown.

I don't recall however, if you said what state you are in. I would find that interesting.

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[laurita_a]

When Ollie North was discussing this on Hannity &amp; Colmes, he said that poor white parents as well needed to take heed of Cosby's words.

[mtnwoods]

DC Diva, what are the names of the groups? I am always looking for new ones. Thanks for the welcome! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Original Rebel, I totally understand. I have volunteered locally. I have to tell you though, I definately have an impact with friends and family. I am the &quot;go to&quot; person for political info. Also, as DC Diva said, I am also a Virginian. It's a great state- sorry Governor, though. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[jonessa2]

Quote[/b] (Mary-Lou Kirshon @ July 07, 2004 -- 7:48 pm)]Those who promote discord among the Brethren are one of the things God Hates.
Just know that we love ya! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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I liked how you said that.
And that is why Christ loves us all.


We are victims of our environment, and if we are raised no better, and have no role models---well, sometimes it is hard to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. *Cesspools can easily create more cesspools.

But having the desire to do better for you is something that comes from within. *Part of the 12-step program comes to mind. *When you are too sick and tired of being sick and tired...when you have reached bottom...

The bomb dropper was not wrong. *
Isn't it funny how we are so willing to embrace what Cosby says and from anyone else’s' mouth some would and did call this racist remarks. *

But Bill Cosby is way ahead in thought than many anyways. *The NAACP crowd that is more his age are still wallowing in the hate-filled diatribe that will never let them be 'free' until their generation is http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dead.gif *The plantation style mama's like that witch in the senate from DC, still engage in the loud huffing and puffing/bullying to get their way. *(I am actually kind of envious, and wish Republicans would have a little more starch in their drawers). *But God really don't like Ugly as the saying goes, and our party really has values; wait, I KNOW that our President does. *Not the storefront rhetoric that we have been hearing from the hairball johns.

And I believe the 'discord among Brethren' is surely a phrase that is meant for the http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/jacka.gif s. *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/grinsign.gif

Back to the topic at hand...
I live in a ghetto.
Only this ghetto is located in a side-by-side condominium community that has 355 units spread out over many acres. *We have armed security paid to patrol the land.
*
While we used to regularly make the news, we are slowly changing the environment by enforcing many rules, (created as things happen and found in that wretched association handbook), and ticketing renters, homeowners and their respective children for infractions of those rules. One does not have a chance to judge based on stereotypes because everyone knows the rules and is judged by those same rules.

--These homes all used to be owner occupied. *But as people age and their income levels change, they moved out, bought new homes in the 'burbs, and rented their condos. *This area then became more renter dense. *As our association has learned through trial and error, they now have more fail-safes in place. *Like credit checks and background checks. *But what do you do when a woman responds to a rental ad and states she only has 2 children, and then come to find out she really has 7 children plus herself plus her male companion.

The grounds crews fastidiously pick up trash from the parking lots and grounds m-f. *With no coverage on the weekends, Mondays means there is a mess. Dumpsters overflow. Another thing that happens in these small condo yards is the kids play and destroy the grass. *How do you tell a child to stay off the grass and literally 'go play in traffic?' *...Because that is all that is left, the parking lots and the streets.


I don't know about you, but when I was growing up, I didn't have the money to go to the gas stations or the corner stores to buy candy, soda, and junk. *Besides, those things were too far away to get to.
*
Where this is going is. *I know my neighbors, predominantly black, and they look out for me. *We police each other, and don't 'dip' into the goings-on in each other’s houses. ---I don't want my new car keyed because I have pissed off the neighborhood teens. *And there are lots and lots of them.

The difference between the black child and the white child is that a black child is more apt to listen to any authority figure. *Akin to the 'it takes a village to raise a child' theory espoused by http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/witch.gif

ANYWAY. *The people in the tenants that was being talked about, are true stories found anywhere. *Because your ethno reference happens to be black that is all you see. *But like what was pointed out, was that pink folk give landlords the same headaches. *And Section 8 housing is open to anyone.

I had lived in a side-by-side housing project that was 'veterans preference.' *The pink folk became concerned about the predominantly black residents. *But I tell you, the city did once per year house visits, they made sure everyone cut their grass or were penalized, loud music was not allowed, maintenance was performed on the units as needed. *If someone left units a mess, their names were placed on the landlord bad list that is accessible to Milwaukee landlords as a screening device. *A funny thing has happened though. *The thing the white folk were so worried about became what the black folk became worried about when the new ethnic group moved. *The Mexicans. *Yup. *Black folk pretty soon will have a diminished voice, because Hispanics are swarming all over the place. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laff.gif

So my friend[not talking about you Mary-Lou], your shock words, and very opinionated thoughts probably were translated through your attitude and body language to those around you. *
First off, if you are a pink guy, you are not allowed to exhibit any kind of ego/arrogance. *You have to be more reticent/submissive. *e.g. *the NAACP is mad because our President will not 'come to heel,' as they say in the dog world.

In other words, you have to find a different approach to dealing with a group of people if your way is not working. You may have seen the crewed side of neighborhoods, but if you do not treat people the way you want to be treated, you will be starting off way, way behind *the direction you want to go. *

I do not judge a person for getting entitlements. *
I do however, think the government and taxpayers should get the most bang for their buck with expectations that parents have an obligation in taking that job seriously when it comes to raising their children. *If you are going to have babies, their nurturing is your responsibility, and your obligation to society is their successful raising.

And bomber, don't confuse SSD with the SSI's. *Typically a woman with not enough credits from a work history will receive SSI. *In Wisconsin that is about 580$. *Tack on another 300$ per child, rent assistance in WI at about 700$, WIC while pregnant, and WIC til a child is 5yo, food stamps, energy assistance, 8$ off your phone bill if you receive any of the assistance, and one of the bigger claims--receiving extra money if your child is considered 'slow' or 'hyper' and in need of special education classes....(I believe that many parents tag these children with these titles, and then re-enforce the behavior with the child and the doctor.

SSI is a drain off of social security.
SSD is paid from a separate insurance that has been paid for by your employer during your work years.
e.g. one pays a mortgage, and at the same time pays for insurance on the house. *If something should happen to you, the insurance company you have been paying for all those years will pay your house note.

Also, bomber, I am obese. *But my problems stem from physically not being able to exercise. *And sitting in front of this pc for long periods doesn't help. *(easy to do though). *And fun. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif
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[pRIMrose]

Just saw Ward Conerly on FOX yesterday defending the President for not attending the NAACP hatefest. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif This organization should be disbanded or retrofitted. Can you just imagine what would have happened if the Prez. had shown up and Queezie Fumer unloaded his ton of crap. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif These people better start getting a clue or get left with the &quot;lurch&quot; who will make sure they stay on the plantation for another hundred years. Bless Cosby for his stance. And all the other highly credible and successful African Americans who have recognized that being a victim is a one way ticket to nowhere. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif Like GW said during the last campaign, &quot;the soft bigotry of low expectations&quot; will destroy the will to achieve and excel.

[DC Diva]

I think the President made the right decision, what good would come from going to the NAACP convention? *At best, it is a draw. *At worst, it loses him votes. *He can only attend a few functions, he doesn't attend most invitations (like state republican conventions, the National Right to Life, etc.) - so why go to a group that was openly disrespectful to him in 2000??

mtnwoods - I'll shoot ya a PM with the names *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

jonessa - please exercise a little, we want you around for a long time cause we love ya!! * http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Sheila

[jonessa2]

Quote[/b] (pRIMrose @ July 11, 2004 -- 4:44 am)]Just saw Ward Conerly on FOX yesterday defending the President for not attending the NAACP hatefest. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif *This organization should be disbanded or retrofitted. *Can you just imagine what would have happened if the Prez. had shown up and Queezie Fumer unloaded his ton of crap. *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif *These people better start getting a clue or get left with the &quot;lurch&quot; who will make sure they stay on the plantation for another hundred years. *Bless Cosby for his stance. *And all the other highly credible and successful African Americans who have recognized that being a victim is a one way ticket to nowhere. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif *Like GW said during the last campaign, &quot;the soft bigotry of low expectations&quot; will destroy the will to achieve and excel.
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I agree. Bless Cosby...for having the courage to say the things that needed to be said.

And I especially liked the part I underlined.

I just joined the Conservative Book Club. One of the books I ordered was Ward Conerly's.

And Ms Diva...thanks for the thought. Am working on it, and a good prayer is always appreciated. I'm 5'9&quot; And just seeing kirstie alley's photos is real encouragement to take charge. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[SarahBigT]

Kudos to Mr. Cosby. No matter what race people are, they need to act in a manner which commands respect and be accoutable for their actions instead of always trying to place the blame on circumstances or others.