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Limbaugh: It's Time To Turn the Tables on this Presidential Bully

By David Limbaugh

Something is very wrong in the world when the most dogmatic and inflexible president in recent memory can make unreasonable demands of his GOP budget opponents and yet be confident they'll be blamed for the impasse.

It is past time Barack Obama be held accountable for his intentionally irresponsible fiscal policies that are guaranteed to take us into national bankruptcy. It is outrageous enough that he is steering us into insolvency, but it is unbearable that he's fraudulently blaming the Republican Party for it to boot.

This is not a close call, and reasonable people, if they understood the facts, would not support Obama. The problem is that so many people who trust him, inexplicably, look no further than his disingenuous statements and the liberal media's slanted reporting, and the Republican Party leadership simply cannot seem to get its message across. It would help if they evidenced more faith in the wisdom of their own approach.

This isn't complicated. Our financial problems are overwhelmingly a result of excess spending, not of insufficient tax revenues. Increasing rates or decreasing deductions won't make a speck of difference, and Obama knows it.

Our $16 trillion national debt and our $100 trillion of unfunded liabilities are going to destroy this nation in relatively short order if we don't take drastic remedial action.

Yet Obama's plan is to increase taxes on the highest 2 percent of income earners while refusing to make significant reductions in discretionary spending or to restructure entitlements. His life's ambition is to fundamentally transform the nation, which depends on keeping the federal spigot spewing and punishing the "wealthy."

You could say it is crazy talk to suggest Obama doesn't want to bring our fiscal house in order, but I say, based on the evidence, it's much crazier to pretend he has any intention of balancing the budget.

To keep his shell game going, he has to divert the people's attention from the real culprit, spending, and toward blaming and demonizing the rich, and the red herrings of "balanced approach," "loopholes" and "revenues."

Obama is the one who won't agree to a "balanced" approach; he's ignoring spending and entitlements. When he calls tax increases "revenues," he is implying that increasing rates and eliminating deductions for a small fraction of income earners is going to appreciably raise revenues and help solve our problem. It won't. When he refers to legitimate tax deductions as "loopholes," he is further defrauding the public into believing that these high-income earners are somehow cheating by availing themselves of deductions the law reasonably allows.

Speaker John Boehner must quit adopting that same misleading terminology and conceding, in effect, that the "wealthy" are undertaxed. He is not doing himself or the nation any good by playing into Obama's hands and allowing him to control the language and the narrative.

Boehner needs to turn the tables on Obama and go into attack mode himself. There is no other way to deal with this destructive bully. Boehner must sprint to the national microphone and tell the American people that Obama is being unreasonable, reckless and uncompromising.

Obama is the one who won't address the only problem that matters: spending. He won't budge from his intolerable demands that Republicans raise rates on the "wealthy" in exchange for his vague promise of implementing spending "cuts" in the future, his insistence on spending more money on new programs today, his steadfast refusal to put entitlement reform on the table, and his demand that he be given unilateral authority to raise the budget ceiling at his whim.

Boehner must point out that Republicans have gone out of their way to compromise -- way too far out of their way -- by agreeing to eliminate deductions for the highest income earners to the tune of $800 billion, a figure Obama himself demanded not long ago. He should say he agreed to that not because he believes they're paying too little (they are indeed already paying more than their fair share) or that it will increase revenues, but in a good faith effort to secure an agreement from Obama to greatly reduce spending and restructure entitlement programs.

The GOP majority did not get re-elected to roll over to Obama's disastrous policies. They have a moral, legal and constitutional duty to resist Obama's path of destruction with every fiber of their beings. At some point, their desire not to look mean must yield to their duty to inform the American people of the gravity of our situation and how reckless Obama is being.

Face it: Unless Republicans accede to all of Obama's unreasonable demands and thus to the accelerated destruction of the country, there will be an impasse, because Obama will not yield, and Republicans will be blamed for it.

The only conceivable way Republicans can avoid this fate is if they quit playing his sinister game of negotiation chicken, call him out in plain terms on what he's doing, and show he has never been and is not now serious about averting a national financial meltdown.

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David Limbaugh is a writer, author and attorney. His latest book, "The Great Destroyer," reached No. 2 on the New York Times best-seller list for nonfiction. Follow him on Twitter @davidlimbaugh and his website at www.davidlimbaugh.com.

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  1. cborgersComment by cborgers
    December 7, 2012 @ 7:11 am

    You accuse Obama of being “uncompromising”. Being uncompromising is indeed a bad thing, and I think it is very good that the Republicans have now returned to understanding that.

    It was terribly unfortunate that two years ago, the Republicans said the opposite, often and loudly and proudly. John Boehner said in the fall of 2010: “This is not a time for compromise.” Many other Republicans said similar things two years ago. It is a catastrophe for the country when a major political party takes that stand. I certainly hope Obama will compromise.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:07 am

      What compromise would you like to see the republicans offer?

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    • williambjrComment by williambjr
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:24 am

      The Gop Is Our Last Chance and Greatest Hope! They Need To Saddle Up; Do Thier Jobs! While Not Chickening Out! Or Our Country will be Lost to the Greed of the Current ADM.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:34 am

      Great article…and as usual, great comments! Makes me wonder..how a bunch of ‘bloggers’ see it clearly (most to many of us your normal Joe and Jane America) and those in Washington have spending goggles on! It’s hard to tell the Dems from the Repubs at this rate. Scary.

      An old Chinese proverb : “You can never be poor enough to make someone else wealthy.” Perhaps this base lesson needs to be sent to Washington as the ‘will of the people’? Or perhaps one of the many YouTube video’s showing how they are fighting over a near ridiculous minor amount to cut (one cent stack video made in 2011 I believe)from the budget could be sent in loads via email? If we the people get it, one can’t tell me Washington doesn’t get it. They get it. They get it and understand exactly what is at stake and what can be done about it.

      My question is this, why go through the motions…act out a play they never intend to make real? What is the bait and switch that we are not seeing. What’s happening in the left hand of government while this fiscal cliff is going on in the right?

      A bit paranoid? Maybe… : } With our government and where it has lead us as a nation, I hold no possibilities far from reality anymore.

      ~M

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    • MorganComment by Morgan
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:39 am

      As long as John Boehner is in charge, we will never get anything done. He has already taken people out of key positions on committees because of their stance on not raising taxes.

      John Boehner is as much to blame for this mess as Obama is and until the people wake up and get rid of him and get a speaker with some guts, we will stay in the Obama prison.

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    • susieqComment by susieq
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:05 am

      Show me where the fiscal cliff is and I’d be happy to drive them all over it.

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    • Blu OwenComment by Blu Owen
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:16 am

      I believe we could make a big difference if everyone that reads articles from this site all pulled a page from Obama’s playbook and blasted every social website with this one fact.

      Since the Constitution MANDATES that a revenue bill must originate in the House of Representatives which has been done, how can President Obama blame the Republicans in the House when the Senate which is controlled by Democrats refuse to even consider bringing the revenue bill up and amending it if necessary, and thereby doing their part to conform with a Constitutional mandate and bringing a revenue bill to his desk to sign.

      It would be interesting to see how our “friends” on the left would respond.

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    • xcsxComment by xcsx
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:24 am

      O will NOT compromise and Boehner’s (involuntary) position is “Damned if he does & Damned if he doesn’t” He won’t have any JUICE until our economy does the one thing that the MSM can’t endimnify O from; the DOW going GALT. Let’s give O exactly what he wants. And when it blows up in his face, Boehner will have his say, and this time around, people will LISTEN.

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    • 5612jeanComment by 5612jean
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

      Thank you! Republicans have had it their way for so long they think they’re entitled. President Obama needs to stand his ground and if we go over the fiscal cliff because of the rhetoric from the lame duck congress, then voters need to give them all the boot in the midterm elections. The only compromise the republicans want is to have it their way. Having it their way is what got us where we are right now.

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    • Blu OwenComment by Blu Owen
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

      Xcsx, the way our system is ‘SUPPOSED TO WORK’ is the House and the Senate are to negotiate and compromise and produce a revenue bill for Obama to sign. If Obama veto’s it so what.
      Obama Constitutionally is not part of negotiations or compromises, but by his position, he is just protecting his political party in the Senate.
      TELL THE SENATE TO DO THEIR JOB!

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    • gimmesometruthComment by gimmesometruth
      December 7, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

      Oblunder knows full well that as long as his buddy, Ben “The Counterfeiter” Bernanke, keeps pumping out $85B a month into the system the equity market will look like its ‘full steam ahead’. When this ‘Magical Money Mosaic’ begins to unravel and the presses run out of ink and paper, all these elite experts will head for the hills with their ‘golden parachutes’, leaving Main Street with tattered chutes and a crushing bill to go over the cliff. The RINO’s in D.C. have been in on this scam since the beginning, and they’ve been generously lining their pockets along with the DemonRats. The GOOD NEWS is G_D is in control.

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    • cborgersComment by cborgers
      December 7, 2012 @ 9:49 pm

      Somebody asked “What compromise would you like to see the Republicans offer?”

      Well, half the American people (a little more than half, if I wanted to be fussy) favor raising tax rates somewhat on people who are wealthy enough to be able to afford it easily.

      The other half of the American people favor not doing that, but instead demand that things like social security be reduced, and Medicare, etc.

      I respect both. Among the people who favor the tax increases are many whose own taxes would go up. (For instance I.) Among the ones who favor cuts in Social Security and Medicare, almost all will be affected by that — their own income, when they are old, will be reduced, and their medical expenses raised. So neither of these two groups are selfish. That’s a good thing.

      I think the only thing that one can do in a democratic society is some of each. That’s the compromise that I would like to see, and almost certainly both sides are now ready for that compromise. That’s a good thing, too.

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  2. pypypypyComment by pypypypy
    December 7, 2012 @ 8:48 am

    the something that is wrong is, the leftwing media

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:44 am

      …Yes, you are correct. However, I can’t place full blame on just the MSM (lame stream media). I have to point to a few other factors as well. Half…half! our nation is entitlement ridden, cradle to grave, give me give me monsters. Granted, they were raised that way within an ever secularized, PC, feel good, everyone’s equal, everyone’s a winner Public School system flunkie. (my eldest daughter is a teacher…so yeah, I can say it.) Next we have Washington and State governments (not all states…more than half) who began handing out freebies (past two presidents set the table for Obama: Clinton with houses for anyone who wanted one…which toppled Fannie and Freddie, Bush with ever increasing welfare hand outs that started with Clinton and he helped to grow to unnatural heights)and tax breaks to those who don’t pay taxes. (Many low income earners receive thousands…yes thousands of dollars in earned income credits each year on their taxes…sick and wrong imo.) Then we come to all those lovely groups that are ‘here to help the worker’, the unions. Need I say more?

      So although I would love…love to place blame on the MSM solely…I can not. They are merely the parrot for Washington/groups/society we’ve become. Sad… embarrassing…and a little more than maddening to be certain.

      ~M

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:04 am

      “. . .tax breaks to those who don’t pay taxes. (Many low income earners receive thousands…yes thousands of dollars in earned income credits each year on their taxes)”

      Mystic, you falsely attribute “earned income credits” to Bush when it was actually enacted in 1975.

      The MSM is complicit because we have depended on a “free press” to keep us informed about what is going on in government, and they have failed us because they are under Obama’s thumb and do not report the facts. IF the media concentrated on informing us rather than deceiving us, maybe the people who are gullible would understand the mess we are in. So I think the media is as much to blame as the politicians.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:53 am

      For BNA42: You are correct, Bush did not set up the earned income credit…nor did I want to imply such..and don’t think I did in my post. Let’s be clear. Bush did allow the welfare roles to climb while in office. Unlike Obama however, he did not envision everyone on the Federal/State dole. Bush however was not a hard core conservative..he was a moderate, much like Clinton was. That was my point. Clinton and Bush set up a table nicely for someone like Obama to come in and create the nation we now see.

      the MSM…yes, again, you are correct..they are complicit, and I for one won’t let them off the hook…however they are only half the issue, not the whole meal here. The remaining factors I stated in my post..which is the full meal deal…and not a so happy one imo.

      ~M

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

      “For BNA42: You are correct, Bush did not set up the earned income credit…nor did I want to imply such..and don’t think I did in my post.”

      Mystic, I don’t think you “implied” it–I think you actually made the remark to that effect. Here is what you said: ‘Bush with ever increasing welfare hand outs that started with Clinton and he helped to grow to unnatural heights)and tax breaks to those who don’t pay taxes. (Many low income earners receive thousands . . .’ The subject of your comment was BUSH.

      It just seemed to me that you are blaming Clinton and Bush for things that began long before they ever came into office. Not trying to defend either one of them especially since I despise the Clintons.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      December 7, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

      For BNA42: You do realize I am agreeing with you in the base topic right? lol You seem to be a dog with a bone on Bush and Clinton being similar within their stance in hand outs. They were. Ashamedly so in fact. Bush was/is a moderate, Just as Clinton was. Same animal, different stripes.

      Taxes…neither Clinton or Bush re-worked the tax code to limit EIC credits…and in fact those who pay no tax at all are receiving whopping yearly checks. Is that Bush or Clinton fault? No… though they did nothing about it either to curb it or amend the law either…so kinda yes too. Those laws, as you correctly point out, were in place long before either candidate sat in the POTUS seat.

      However, we digress. My larger point is the MSM alone is not our sole issue. Half? sure. But not all. We have to look at the whole picture to understand all the players…right? Once we look at the issue enmasse/in total..then we can begin to deconstruct and replace those parts that simply do not work. We have a long long long list of those at our finger tips right now.

      As always…good posts.

      ~M

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  3. powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
    December 7, 2012 @ 8:53 am

    Right on the money…the GOP is talking apples and the Obozo is peddling jewelry. I have to ask, is the GOP stupid or part of the sham?

    I have said this before….the GOP needs to get in front of the cameras with charts showing what tax receipts were when we were close to balanced and what they are now versus spending. It will be clear the issue is spending!

    A third grader could do this.

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    • joe93Comment by joe93
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:00 am

      Sure. That would help, but in Rassmussen’s piece, he illustrates that the GOP doesn’t state how it will effect people directly. Dem voters don’t respond by saying “govt is bad”. They respond by hearing “this will help you.”

      The GOP needs to reframe the debate.

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    • mbmbcsComment by mbmbcs
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:43 am

      Speaking for myself… I am sick and tired of this BS. While obama (and notice I spelled it with a very small “o” for *** hole) leaves destruction in his path for people to scoop up, he now is in Hawaii on vacation wanting to go off the cliff knowing one way or another he gets what he wants. When you are in a corner and have no way else to go…you come out fighting. Well Speaking for myself I know what this fiscal cliff is and unlike some of the irresponsible idiots who voted for this self proclaimed dictator who by the way has every intention of trying to repeal the 22nd amendment, it is not a mountain cliff, I am ready to bail off and let what ever happens – happen as I will not be held hostage. It is my solemn hope that everyone who voted for this idiot gets exactly what is coming to them.

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    • williambjrComment by williambjr
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:44 am

      Obama $$$$$ is Free $$$$$ Feeding the Greedier Slackers! Where is the working force! They are being paid off 99er’s now~!
      We Need Jobs and people who want to work them. Not just sit around pushing DOPE and Smoking Pot with their hands out!
      The Little Red Hem is going to stop feeding them then they all will not have anything!
      I say OVER THE CLIFF IS LOOKEN GOOD NOW!
      At least we will have a Stable Place to Restart From !
      It is conning Lets take it on “WE THE PEOPLES” Terms!
      Not the Governments TERMS after they have Robed US for all they can Get!

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    • xcsxComment by xcsx
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:59 am

      mmmmmmmmmm- Yes we COULD put Boehner in front of the cameras to continue beating a DEAD HORSE. (That’s worked so well in the past) OR we could give O exactly what he wants. And when the DOW stands on it’s head, we could put Boehner in front of the cameras to say “Mr President, If you don’t mind, I’d like to clean up the mess you’ve made.” I think this would work better than more “Beating the horse.”

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  4. debsComment by debs
    December 7, 2012 @ 9:05 am

    My biggest fear for our country right now, is that there is NO STOPPING this presidential bully. He believes he has a perfect mandate from the American people because he was re-elected and can now do whatever he please, whenever he pleases. I think he also truly believes that anything that DOES go wrong is NEVER going to be HIS fault but he can now shift blame from President Bush to the entire Republican party. He is like a spoiled 5 year old in thinking, behavior and demeanor. The scariest part of that is, the media will go along with him 100% and so will all his minions who think of him as their savior. They elected him and the rest of us have to pay the price.

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    • MorganComment by Morgan
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:43 am

      debs…Blame the idiots that voted to give this man 4 more years as president. In his first term he promised to fundamentally change America. He didn’t get it done in the first 4 years, and so now, the morons voted to give him 4 more years to get it done, and believe me, their votes will come back to haunt them.

      As I see clearly, we will be so far into debt, that no one will ever be able to fix our country and get rid of the debt.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 7, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

      The really sad thing is the entire GOP and anybody who might oppose him in Washington have been terrorized into silence by the threat of the liberals throwing the “race card”. If you criticize him, you are a racist. If you disagree with him, you are a racist. The liberal left are USING this PC IDIOCY to silence all opposition to his Socialist policies. And THAT, my friends, is the problem with this PC BS. “Political Correctness” is nothing more than thought and speech control by a totalitarian-minded left-wing to control the narrative and silence anybody who might interfere with the advancement of their “progressive” agenda. It has little to do with race, or racism, for that matter. It has everything to do with POWER–keeping it and exercising it by controlling the narrative and flow of information.

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  5. leroyComment by leroy
    December 7, 2012 @ 9:22 am

    I agree with the letter. However the reason Oboma is acting this way, is because, this is how he understands government. Not our Government his government. Oboma is Indonesian he came to school through a foreign aid program funded by the Ford Foundation that his mother was a director of, in Indonesia and Africa. I can see him clearly. His efforts to destroy this country for his muslim brotherhood and the support for those negatively affected by colonialism are all he is about. When he leaves office he has a job in any Anti American country he desires.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 7, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

      Who says he is leaving office? I figure he is angling to be our “Dear Leader for Life”. Considering he has proven himself on countless occasions as willing to say or do ANYTHING to keep himself in power, I can’t see him willingly giving it up. And I think everybody here would have to agree that he is certainly ACTING like a dictator already, as though it is already an accomplished fact.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

      When he takes whatever job that is, I hope he doesn’t let the door hit him in the butt on the way out.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:04 pm

      Speaking of “colonialism” Leroy, I was sent a clip of governor Jindal of Louisiana giving Allahbama a pass saying he understands Obama’s hate of colonialism (that would be the United States) because he had to live in it. When was that Bobby? When he was in class A digs in Indonesia going to private Muslim schools or when he was with his grandparents roughing it from a town house in Hawaii smoking the best reefer? Maybe at Harvard (if he went there). And Jindal was being praised to possibly be a candidate for President at one time by the Republicans. Typical.

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  6. bigdtootallComment by bigdtootall
    December 7, 2012 @ 9:28 am

    Boehner is part of the problem. He had many opportunities to turn the tables but did not. It looks like DC is infected with liars, cheats and thieves. Term limits are desperately needed. The Bloods and Yhe Crips do not want to change a thing. The impending doom and the fiscal cliff have been coming for decades yet nothing gets done.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:11 am

      “Boehner must sprint to the national microphone and tell the American people that Obama is being unreasonable, reckless and uncompromising.”

      However, Boehner will not do that, and that makes him part of the problem. Boehner needs to step down and let someone who will stand up to Obama take his place.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 7, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

      Boehner is a gutless wonder who apparently has little understanding of the issues at hand, or that he is cooperating in the destruction of our Republic.

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  7. buckwheat84Comment by buckwheat84
    December 7, 2012 @ 9:36 am

    Republicans do need to defend their position – but they need to use words that a 4th grader – their audience – can understand.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 7, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

      If they would use ANY words to defend their position, it would be a refreshing change. WHY in spite of the blatant LIES being told by the other side, do we get nothing but CRICKETS chirping when “our” side has a chance to articulate its views?

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  8. BobinmsComment by Bobinms
    December 7, 2012 @ 9:53 am

    Boehner is just not up to the job.

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  9. defendconstitutionComment by defendconstitution
    December 7, 2012 @ 9:58 am

    Monday evening I attended a Conservative MeetUp in Cary, NC. Susan Bryant, Wake Co. GOP head was the speaker. I said I thought Boehner would cave in to BHO and Mrs. Bryant defended him. Tuesday Boehner caved in by removing fiscally conservative people from leadership positions, Wednesday I changed my voter registeration from Republican back to UnAffiliated.

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    • MorganComment by Morgan
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:48 am

      defendconstitution…You’re right. Boehner IS as much of a problem as Obama and we need to get rid of him. I’m glad that some reasonable people see that it is his compromises that is causing the problem. Obama put a plan on the table and one of the things that he asked for was to be able to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval.

      Can you imagine where we will be if that is given to Obama? Thankfully, the plan got no yes votes.

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

      I appreciate your actions in this regard as I too did the same thing several years ago because the GOP sold out the true principles of the party.

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  10. middlegroundComment by middleground
    December 7, 2012 @ 10:24 am

    The progressive income tax is and has been in effect in the US since the 19th Amendment was passed in 1913. What the word progressive means for those buckwheat84 says need to have things explained at the 4th grade level is that the rich pay a lot more than anyone else and those who claim they have minimal income don’t pay anything. Look up who pays by income group and you’ll notice Obama’s upper 2% pay more taxes than the lower 80% combined.

    It is the superrich like the Kerreys and the Kennedy’s who use tax exempts and other complex financial techniques which Romney called loopholes to escape taxation. The trouble with Romney and other Republicans is they don’t express the nation’s financial problems in 4th grade slogan terms such as by the time you retire you are going to get paid in Obamabucks that will be worth a nickel on the dollar and a million of them will buy you a one room retirement shed.

    Obama didn’t get a mandate as his people are claiming, he won by promising millions of students he’d foregive their debt in 10 years provided they and the country are still around in 10 years. Only the young and naive would believe a politician’s promises of what he will do when he is no longer in control.

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  11. cokeacolaComment by cokeacola
    December 7, 2012 @ 10:40 am

    “yet be confident they’ll be blamed for the impasse.”

    That statement alone lends me to determine the rest of this “commentary” isn’t worth reading, certainly out of touch!

    Mr. Limbaugh and anybody else agreeing with this malarky is in complete denial of two polls (so far) that puts republicans soundly in the minority on the cliff debate.

    Deal with it people!

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    • cokeacolaComment by cokeacola
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:54 am

      and a 1 rating proves it! :-)

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 7, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

      Cokie;
      I’m surprised you,of all people,believe a thing ANY poll says. Polls are just like Statistics-they can be spun to get any result desired via what results are reported and what results get deemed “not useful”,and in the Polls,what people are questioned,what questions are asked,how are questions phrased,not to mention are the people questioned of a specific demographic or a broad cross section of America.
      When proving a point,quoting Polls,or Statistics,mean absolutely NOTHING. You can only believe what your own two eyes see,and even then,only if you’re ready to accept what you see,good OR bad.

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    • BadgerComment by Badger
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

      The polls were the election this year … the MSM told us what the election was gonna be before it happened so who’s gonna question the results … surely only a racist would question the outcome. And we fire racist, ostrosized them and in some cases jail them so go ahead and question it … O would have won this election even if Imoochelda was his only vote … “It’s Not how many people that voted, it’s who counted the votes”.

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    • empty pocketsComment by empty pockets
      December 9, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

      So, cokeacola…shouldn’t that read, “KoolAid”?

      If the GOP refuses to accept Obama’s Geithner delivered joke of a proposal, we go over the cliff. That right? Well, I’m with suzieq. I’ll even wield the whip to get them moving.

      See, “no deal” is what Obama wants. If he wanted a deal we’d have had one long ago. (We’d also have had a budget sometime in the last 4 years!) Oh, it’s not ALL he wants but he does want it. He’s got his moves all planned once it happens. He’ll come out as the “savior” who proposes to the bad, bad GOP dogs (no cookies for them)that Congress should lower taxes on at least the middle class. They’ll be the Obama tax cuts then instead of Bush’s. The people will be all for it because they’ll be hurting.

      As for Obama’s joke plan, he’d take it only if the debt limit is removed permanently. Without that, he’d double up again. Keep in mind, the GOP had already negotiated a deal whereby Obama got $800 bil in tax increases and the GOP got spending cuts. Then Obama refused it. That’s where Boehner’s $8oo bil came from this time. Instead of accepting and thereby averting going over the “cliff”, Obama didn’t double down. OH NO…He doubled UP to $1.6 Trillion…exactly double what had been previously negotiated.

      Obama is playing high stakes politics here knowing that people like cokeacola are gullible and ignorant enough to buy it when he blames the Republicans. Oh, they are also culpable for previous bad deals and agreeing to keep kicking that damned can down the road, but the Democrats and Democrats-in-name-only (socialists) bear far more of the blame.

      At least when we get to the bottom of that fall off the “cliff”, though taxes will have gone up, spending WILL have been cut. Right now, there’s not a better offer in sight.

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  12. williambjrComment by williambjr
    December 7, 2012 @ 10:56 am

    Dear G-d;
    Help us; your People come to our senses and see the Evil at Work In our Country be for it is Too Late!
    For We the People are the heart of this one Nation Under G-d!

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  13. susieqComment by susieq
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:00 am

    No matter who said what and what the other guy said, the bottom line is the numbers just don’t add up in this spin-o-rama of kicking the can down the road.

    The only thing that these nubile adolescents care about is themselves and no one else. I would love to see Dr. Phil do therapy with all of these divided powers that be to really have an impartial view of what is really necessary to heal this Broadway drama for once and for all.

    In the meantime we are stuck in ObamaPhone-Nation mentality and the spongers who want more and more. Doesn’t it occur to anyone that the wealthy hire a lot of people to do jobs so they’re cutting their nose off to spite their face.

    The whole lot is nauseating. They act like they have the answers but they don’t. Good old-fashioned common sense would say cut down but not out. Throw out the fat and don’t charge the U.S. taxpayer for all of government mistakes. Who has accountability in all of this? It seems that no one does.

    One thing they agree on is that they all agree to disagree. Grownups? I think not. Joan Rivers said it best – “Grow up, just grow up.”

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 7, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

      susie;
      That’s another thing I’ve noticed more and more. When the story of Bengazi (sp?) simmered down,we had 3,THREE,people accept blame for that debacle. NOT ONE actually claimed ACCOUNTABILITY for it. It’s easy to BLAME someone but not so easy to take ACCOUNTABILITY for it;the consequences are much more serious.

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      December 7, 2012 @ 7:51 pm

      dear Lord I would SO love to see Dr Phil go head to head, gloves off, with Obama! he could get at least six months’ worth of shows from that! and if you threw Reid, Pelosi and the rest in too, YEARS worth! that is if Dr Phil could stand it without going bonkers himself.

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  14. kpc1939Comment by kpc1939
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:00 am

    Our first amendment to our Constitution was freedom of press, with out the press the Republicans will not be able to defend their Position. This is not about taxing the rich it is about growing our economy. The President can not be the DICTATOR he is. He must deal with the peoples Representative which is the Congress which was elected with a larger percentage than this President.

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    • williambjrComment by williambjr
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:09 am

      What about THE DO Nothing LIFER”S in the SENNET!
      I say WE The People Need to Change it!
      We could really use a real Brain Drain there!
      As The Plumber would say Flush their Stuff!

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 7, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

      Where have you been? The “Press” has been an active element in DEFEATING the Conservatives in the US.
      And I’m sorry,but the President IS the DICTATOR that he is,largely because the “Press” won’t allow anything that might benefit a Conservative point of view to be shown. MSM “creates” news rather than reporting it. That way,Obama and his henchmen get what they want,and Conservatives get buried,AGAIN.

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  15. ravcoltComment by ravcolt
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:01 am

    According to Newt Gingrich (all below), perhaps the master in this situaion, Boehner must use the five tools available to him to offset Obama:

    1. Appropriations
    2. Oversight
    3. Legislation
    4. Communications
    5. Negotiations

    The House Republicans are over-relying on negotiations, the fifth and least useful of the five tools. The negotiation tool is the weakest because it centralizes communications and decision making into a formula which maximizes the President’s dominance within the national news media.

    Appropriations- The most powerful House tool is appropriations. If the people’s representatives don’t appropriate the money, the President can’t spend it. House Republicans should be prepared to suspend all appropriations except national security and public safety. They should selectively zero out the least popular of the President’s initiatives and agencies. He can attack the House all he wants, but he can’t spend money without its approval. The conservative movement would be galvanized by such a display of firmness.

    Oversight

    There are well over a hundred subcommittees which can be holding oversight hearings. These subcommittees can gradually educate the country about the waste, the cronyism, the corruption, and the radicalism existing throughout the Obama executive branch. The daily reports of hearing after hearing and scandal after scandal become a Fabian strategy of wearing down the Obama juggernaut and exposing its downside. There is also a positive side to the hearing and oversight process. The House Republicans should ally with the 30 Republican Governors. Many of them are doing very smart things which could be applied to Washington. All of them can highlight areas in which Washington is forcing waste and inefficiency on their state. They give the House Republicans 30 star witnesses to layoff hearings. Several former Governors (notably Indiana’s Mitch Daniels and Mississippi’s Haley Barbour) would also make outstanding witnesses. The combination of positive reform ideas and negative coverage of waste and scandal could make every subcommittee a star in its own right and create more communications than the White House could cope with.

    Legislation

    Legislation is action. It is fact. It is reality.
    House Republicans should start by scouring the bills introduced by House and Senate Democrats for every good idea. Every chance House Republicans have to pass a bill introduced by a House or Senate Democrat, they build an irrefutable record of bipartisanship. Let Harry Reid and President Obama explain why they oppose Democratic bills passed by the House Republicans. In addition, House Republicans should look for specific, narrowly-drawn positive ideas and pass a vast series of small bills. Let the Democratic Senate either start behaving responsibly or let it become known as the graveyard of obstruction. Either a lot of bills will be sent to the President or the theme of Constructive Republican House versus an obstructionist Democrat Senate will become a major factor in the 2014 elections.

    Communications

    House Republicans should study the period 1824-1828. The Jacksonians were enraged by the outcome of the election of 1824 and they spent four years steadily undermining the administration of President John Quincy Adams. Their use of the frank and of Congressional communications is a masterpiece. In 1996, a concerted, methodical House Republican effort enabled us to reform Medicare and win the communications argument. In 2012, the National Republican Congressional Campaign Committee did a splendid job of defeating Mediscare. The House Republican leaders cannot out-communicate the President. It is a structural impossibility because of the White House command of communications.
    However, 200-plus House Republicans (some will never cooperate) can more than overmatch an Executive Branch.

    Negotiations

    Having used appropriations to prove seriousness, oversight to define the debate, legislation to build a coalition, and communications to define the contest, then House Republicans can then negotiate from strength.

    This is also a strategy which can set the star for a successful 2014 and 2016.

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    • NY GrahamComment by NY Graham
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:13 am

      Can we bring in Gingrich as a pinch-hitter? The current Republican leadership seems to be completely clueless.

      Boehner may be a good person, but he is clearly not up to the job. many of the comments above reflect the disatisfaction many of us have with him.

      he needs to step down as soon as this debacle is over. We need strong leadership that can clearly explain the GOP position. Imagine if we had Gingrich as Speaker instead of Boehner- he’d make mincemeat of the Dems, and he’d never wobble.

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    • NY GrahamComment by NY Graham
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:17 am

      by the way, ravcolt, this is an excellent post. I wish I could give you 6 stars.

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    • erickComment by erick
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

      Ravcolt- I would like to suggest that you send this comment to Boehner which may help to educate him as to how to conduct business with this dictator.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 7, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

      Excellent post, and GREAT information. I wish every Republican member of the house had a copy of it!

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 7, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

      Looks good “on paper”,but how’s it gonna fly in the here-and-now?

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    • crunchemComment by crunchem
      December 7, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

      I took a minute just now to forward this to my Democratic representative (yeah, I’m in Utah which is 90% R, but my district is Matheson’s, a mostly moderate Dem). Hope he listens. You all can do the same. Sending copies to the other state reps while I’m at it.

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      December 10, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

      erick, would you possibly be Erick Erickson from Macon GA?

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  16. fabianComment by fabian
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:07 am

    The Republican party must absolutely find its touch with the public. Current policies will not achieve that. They could get away with keeping taxes low for high income earner because Americans are not the envious type but where they are completely out of track is about spending. How can you ask people to give up part of these “entitlements” that have been promoted for decades as insurance whilst increasing military spending after the Irak debacle and the Afghanistan debacle in the making. If the Republican party wants to get votes, it should reinforce the “entitlement” security at all costs not attack it. People left more than 12% of their income base into that bag and they want their money back. It’s simply capitalism.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

      Not 100% that we agree fabian, but I think so.

      My “entitlements” are not some favor from the government. I paid into social security for 60 years and medicare since it was formed. What I get is a return on my forced investment, not a hand out and sure no favor. And I’m still paying about $100/month plus another $50/month for supplemental insurance. With nothing to have for income but social security and a small VA pension that $150/month is hard to come by and still pay for rent and food (Alpo is getting expensive and a place under the bridge has gone up too).

      Parenthetically I would have been far better off had Enron not stolen my entire retirement plus that of 28,000 other employees with the full cooperation of a bribed, blind to consequences and uncaring Congress who passed the rules and regulations Enron wanted without question while the lobbyists filled their “re-election” purses.

      Congress took all the money in the programs and used it to build bridges to nowhere or the Johstown, Pennsylvania airport so as to bribe the people for their votes. And when they find the piggy bank empty, just like Obama they spin around and start pointing the finger at who they say is to fault. If my forced contribution” to social security plus the matching dollars of my employers had been invested by a semi intelligent 5th grader, I’d be getting twice what I am.

      Just like our current situation of “going over the cliff” so to call is the result of the stupid agreement made to force themselves into responsibility, they never dreamed they would have to face the music. It’s not much money and wouldn’t pay a days worth of operating the government, but if we could (and we can’t), I’d like to strip Congress present and past of their life time unbelievable “entitlements” such as full pay for serving just one term and fully paid medical also.

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    • crunchemComment by crunchem
      December 7, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

      I paid into social security for 60 years and medicare since it was formed. What I get is a return on my forced investment, not a hand out and sure no favor

      aaargggh, no, what you paid 30 years ago went into the pot to pay for your father’s Social Security, not prepay your own. Your current Social Security payment comes out of the pockets of the current working class, like me. You ‘invested’ in your father’s comfort, not your own.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

      Say who said what you want, but I paid in for 60 years and was forced to, my companies matched my contributions, my dad only made it to 48 so I paid for someone elses dad. That’s all just playing with the who shot John.

      Never-the-less, I paid it, my dad paid it (but not for as long as I did), the government stole it and bought their jobs and now they want me to take less while they get their full salaries and medical for the rest of their lives, the illegal aliens get free medical as do the people that dropped out of school in the eighth grade and aren’t qualified to flip burgers at McDonalds, so they don’t make enough to pay taxes. I’ve never seen the 7% you claim, so where do I go to get the difference in what I didn’t get? Next year it’s 1.7% because there was so little inflation which was 2.2% so there’s a little more of the government BS. Plus they’ve already said there will be no cost of living increases for the next two years. Neither one of us had any say so with anything to do with social security or medicare, we were forced to pay in as were our employers and if it had been invested instead of stolen by congress my investment could have paid for way more than my dad’s total checks. If Allahbama can call his insane spending and call it an investment, I can to.

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  17. JDZComment by JDZ
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:14 am

    The argument seems so obvious that we must stop the outrageous growth and spending of the federal government but the American people just do not get it. The problem is that this deficit spending of the federal government started decades ago and every President has allowed it, more or less, to continue and Congress has played along as the federal budget always grows each year regardless of revenue to cover the increases.

    This “fiscal cliff” anecdotal way of talking about our financial situation is misleading as it seems to be focused more on whether tax rates are going to be increased or not and the “chicken” gamed being played between Boehner and the President rather then the huge national debt and financial liability of nearly 100 Trillion dollars.

    Our federal government never…NEVER…cuts their spending level…because it has adapted a budgeting system with huge amounts of built in automatic budget increases every year whether needed or not. For example, the entitlement programs get somewhere around a 7% automatic increase every year and do everything they can to justify these increases rather then being encouraged to be more efficient and streamlined. Budget cuts in Washington are focused on how much they will cut of these automatic increases rather then cuts in the baseline operating budget itself.

    President Obama is the biggest borrower and spender of any President in our history and intends on continuing this policy and is challenging Congress to actually stop him including arrogantly asking for Congress to give him control of the national debt limit (taking the approval of raising the debt limit from Congress). This man is intent on taking down this country as a form of punishment for what he perceives are past sins led by wealthy White Americans over past generations to the present time.

    The American voters just gave him another four years to complete his undermining policies and the excessive spending of the federal government into an even deeper financial liability is a major part of his overall strategy.

    The question is whether the Republicans in Congress can actually stop, or even slow down, the policies of the Obama administration. Will the Republicans actually fall on their swords in an attempt to save the country from further damage. Because Obama, in concert with the liberal media, have brainwashed millions of Americans into believing Republicans are the bad guys and that Obama and his socialist minions are the good guys. It is questionable if the efforts of John Boehner may make much difference in stopping this freight train heading over the cliff. The President is still out there campaigning to get public support for even more spending as he continues misleading them into believing that tax increases will solve the huge financial problems we are facing.

    If I were Boehner, who I know loves our country, I would do my best to do what is best for the country at large in spite of the pressure he is getting to cave to the Obama desires. Somehow the public needs to wake up to the reality of the situation before it is impossible to stop the crash.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:24 am

      Boehner does NOT love his country, nor does anyone else in Congress or the Executive Branch of our Government. They are interested in their power to RULE over the citizens. They haven’t the brains to get in out of the rain much less have a balanced budget and quit spending what they don’t have.

      One of these days the citizens will get tired of this malarkey and there will be another TAX revolution. Just hope the citizens then have the sense to adopt the original constitution and bill of rights and throw the rest of the amendments in the trash. – but I doubt it.

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  18. stickmanComment by stickman
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:20 am

    It’s always a sad day to read or hear anything about the U.S. Government. Perhaps we should build a fence around Washington DC, not let any of them out, make it a NO FLY Zone too.

    Build us a new capitol, take out the copy of the original Constitution and start over without that muddle of this Congress we now have in place. They cannot stop spending and they cannot even come close to balancing the budget. Isolate them, let them earn a living, if they can, in the confines of Washington D.C.

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    • TomOTRComment by TomOTR
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

      stickman understands the problem. AMEN brother

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

      My Grandfather once said we need to build a new capital and don’t tell the SOB’s where it is!

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  19. wareagle8055Comment by wareagle8055
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:35 am

    David, spot on as always. But as long as we have those two nut-less wonders–Boehner and McConnell–serving as the GOP’s national “leadership,” not a dang thing will change.

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  20. kpc1939Comment by kpc1939
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:37 am

    The American people wants whats in it for me not what what best for our country. They do not educate themselves on what our Government is doing and most can not tell you they even know what the Constitution is or what the first ten amendments are called. they think Benghazi is a movie star named Ben Ghazi. No wonder this country is in trouble.

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 7, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

      You sure have THAT right!

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  21. FrogmanComment by Frogman
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:40 am

    Politics is a blood sport and when it comes to the cliff “negotiations ” Obama is most certainly playing politics. This isn’t about what’s good for the country its about what’s good for the party What we need is a dirty street fighter to knock the **** out of Obama. He needs to out him in the public media any way needed as to what he actually wants to do, its effects, and the consequences. Then get into a no holds barred down and dirty fight. Problem is Boehner is NOT that person.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

      Agreed Frogman and also later in this blog I agree that we need a dirty street fighter like Newt to combat Obama and his team of lackys. But I don’t understand something.

      Unfortunately, I went to school in the 50′s and I swear that we were taught that the Constitution had set up three oc-equal branches of goverment, each to check the other to insure that no one branch gained control. I swear we were also taught that the authorization for spending comes from the House.

      So someone explain how this is all Obama’s fault. Don’t take my statements to support Obama in any way. I don’t. I think he should already have impeachment proceedings started against him. But how does Obama get so much money to spend? Does the House cave (again) and give him another trillion or so? Does he just have a few trillion worthless dollars printed and turned over to him? I don’t get it.

      It’s ocurred to me that both parties are playing politics to keep their cushy jobs and power and both parties are trying to gain and keep control of Congress. I don’t think either give a whit about the legal citizens or the fate of the Republic.

      The Pepubicans under Boner have wimped out every time until we find ourselves in this mess and I’m not too sure that the only options are to see the country go down the third world status a little more or give Obama his way, both traveling the same road.

      We’re supposed to have the power over the Congress and they are supposed to do what we want. Yet we’ve just seen a Representative stripped of his committee seats because he voted the way his constituency wanted and not the way he was told to vote by Boner and the Republicans. So where’s our power? I live in Texas were you just vote the way you feel, not the was some power hungray political party tells you to. So I pick who I think is the best for the job regardless. I voted for the Senator we have in the wings to take the place of Hutchison because I liked what he was saying and also having the support of the Tea Party didn’t hurt. I’m going to vote again Cronyn the other Senator when he comes up because all of a sudden he’s all for a “path to citizenship” (read tht amnesty) for the 12 – 20 (pick your number) illegal aliens draining the country of trillions.

      “We the People” are going to do a lot more than just keep voting the same windbags and graft takers back into office. Somehow that doesn’t seem to get through some hard heads who will vote the party line if satan himself was running.

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  22. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    December 7, 2012 @ 11:44 am

    Folks, I just don’t get it. Why are you so down on Boehner?
    Really ! Are you saying he is worse than Obama, Bieden, Reid,
    Durbin,,,,do you need more names ? They are the ones making Boehner look bad if you think he looks bad. So many said the same about Romney. Are you saying that Romney is worse than the names above ? I think your attitude is making us the laughing stock of the nation if that is what you believe and no better than the ones who voted for Obama and his mugs. He has bullied you into a state of irresponsibility.

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

      No….Obozo has bullied and mislead the weak of mind that vote for his worthless A**! Most people here have said Boehner may be a decent and respectable guy…just not the right person for this dirty business. You have to know the rules of the game to play…this game is low ball dirty street fighting and we have a “nice guy” in our corner. We need a street fighter!

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    • JDZComment by JDZ
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:29 pm

      I agree with you on John Boehner. He came from a typical blue collar middle class American family that believed in the American way and our traditional values. The reason he was so emotional when he was selected as House speaker was because of who he is and how much he has achieved coming from his middle class roots. John does care about our country but is caught in the middle of a complex political battle that may, in the end, cost him his job as speaker depending on the outcome.

      Am I convinced he can deal with the big guns of the Obama administration who have the MSM backing them up? No I am not. I would be much more confident if Newt Gingrich was leading the charge in the House then Boehner, and if I were Beohner, I would bring Gingrich in to help him negotiate whatever deal that can be made with the Obama administration. Gingrich could definitely help “sell” or communicate the implications to the public t large as well.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 7, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

      Actually, I think Boehner is probably a decent person. And that is the main reason why he is in over his head among a pack of jackals.

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  23. arwenusaComment by arwenusa
    December 7, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

    Unless and until the Republican Party can get out of its legal inability to challenge election fraud …

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

    … we are soon going to see an Imperial Democrat Party. No wonder the Republicans have kept this from us for thirty years; it would have ended their cushy jobs when we found out, because it leaves only two possibilities:

    1. Somehow remove this legal obligation of the Republican Party (impossible, so far).

    2. Dissolve the Republican Party and replace it with a conservative party that is under no such obligation.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      December 8, 2012 @ 10:46 am

      This is not about election fraud, the subject is compromise. Even though there almost certainly was election fraud in some of the large cities Obama still won the popular vote by two and a half million votes, so the fraud would have had a minimal effect. Not that election fraud isn’t worth dealing with, it’s just not relevant right now. Obama won for better or worse and we now have to make the best of a really bad situation.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 8, 2012 @ 2:42 pm

      Thank you for your critique of my post LAPhil. I guess I didn’t get the memo making you the editor of this blog. Had I known I would have emailed my post to you for your approval before submitting it.

      Two and a half million votes isn’t a pimple when considered against the total votes cast and I doubt that your opinion that fraud would have a minimal effect has any supporting evidence that you can produce.

      Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party and they do what he wants regardless of the will of the people as evidenced by ObamaCare and his push to make the United States subject to the United Nations dictates in the small arms treaty without House approval.

      The instance of Obama compromising on anything amounts to “My way or the highway”. It’s my opinion that Obama and many of his followers committed fraud which put him in office for a second term. Had the election not been compromised I doubt that he would be President (my opinion is as good as anyone’s so spare me your rebuttal) and there might be a way for compromise.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      December 9, 2012 @ 9:30 am

      sumitch: My reply was to arweinusa, not you. Sorry you took so much offense for nothing.

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  24. nohateComment by nohate
    December 7, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

    It is the Republican House that must compromise. It is about time to ditch that churlish, juvenile puffin, Grover Norquist, and his idiotic ideas. Come on folks! This is a man who uses the phrase “poopy head” in national public discourse. Is he for real?? How can anyone buy into his brand of B.S.? We elect our representatives to make decisions, not accept ones man’s stupid pledge idea.

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

      Compromise on what? Why? The fraud in the WH rules as a Dictator…where does he compromise?

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 6:10 pm

      I’d rather have someone like Norquist saying “poopy head” (although I take your point)than someone that stands up on the floor in a joint session of Congress and lies like a bear rug.

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  25. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    December 7, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

    “To keep his shell game going, he has to divert the people’s attention from the real culprit, spending, and toward blaming and demonizing the rich, and the red herrings of “balanced approach,” “loopholes” and “revenues.”"

    That one sentence/paragraph just about says it all. While I disagree that Boehner is wrong to try to compromise, and I bleieve that only a complete revision of the tax structure that eliminates ALL loopholes for anyone is the only way to even begin to fix this mess, I don’t think that any compromise he could possibly try to deliver would appease obama. Obama has shown time and time again that he has no desire to change his feeble mindset.
    To me, it is no longer a play to make things better, it’s nothing but a contest of wills. Not only do I hope the opposition to obama will remain strong. I hope that someone, somewhere, is smart enough and persuasive enough to make the people see that obama is simply wrong and damage that will be done if he gets his way wil ultimately harm this nation.

    I know that those of us who have kept up with the theatrics don’t really believe that obama means well at this point but the only compromise should be the assumption that he does mean well and nothing more. It’s time to convince everyone, including obama, that he is wrong. There is NO mandate that gives him the right to screw over 100% of the American people when less than 50% even want him as president.

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

      I disagree about Obozo….I feel he is calculating and cares not one bit about the health of the nation. He is no dummy…he has a plan and it is the destruction of the nation that he sees as the last colonial power.

      He has talked about this in his books, his speeches prior to the 2008 run and in writings while in school. He associated with anti-American sources growing up and still carries those views with him. He is surrounded by Chicago street fighters, communists and Marxist i dialogs. Need I continue?

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 7, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

      powertothepeople, you know that and i know that but apparently people who voted for him don’t know that. So, if we can let them live in that fairy tale world where he means well but can present enough proof that he is wrong, what harm would that bring? We would definitely be better off.
      I have found that the more we rail against his character defects, the tighter his supporters cling to him. They don’t want to hear that he isn’t the be all end all any more than we want to hear that we are just hateful racists because we won’t fall in line.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 7, 2012 @ 9:40 pm

      You got that right Grouchy One. I have two that I raised and they both sing his praises. Tell them otherwise, give them proof, show them the letters from the government and they say it’s all a lie and they don’t think so or Fox news must have told you that or whatever. They refuse to believe that he’s anything but God’s personal assistant. I oft wondered who their real rather is.

      I got into it over the U N small arms treaty to which they both called BS on what I was telling them. So I googled up some information and showed it to them. Then they said it will never happen, only congress can make a treaty to which I replied that only congress can involve us in a war too, so when did they take a vote on Libya? Eventually it comes down to “I don’t want to talk about it anymore”. Maybe their mother dropped them on their heads and didn’t tell me aboutit.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 7, 2012 @ 10:01 pm

      sumitch, yeah, I just love that bit about it must be Fox news. You have no idea how that gets under my skin. I lost a couple of friends just before the election because I blew a gasket over that accusation about Fox news. Truth is, I don’t sit around listeing to the news all day. In fact, I moved my computer out of the room where the TV is because the news is infuriating when they talk gibberish day in and day out and make mountains out of mole hills while they ignore the elephant in the living room. And that is ALL the news stations, not just one.

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