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Petraeus Scandal Could Have Sunk Obama

By Cliff Kincaid

A week before the election, an FBI whistleblower went to a Republican member of Congress with explosive details about a national security scandal that could have stopped President Obama’s re-election campaign dead in its tracks. But the potentially devastating “October Surprise” was hushed up by Republicans.

Although all the details are not yet available and new disclosures are coming every day, it appears that the scandal involves the CIA director leaking classified information to his mistress and the FBI not holding David Petraeus accountable for his immoral and illegal conduct. In short, it is the worst scandal of the Obama Administration and makes the third-rate burglary in the Watergate scandal look minor by comparison.

Despite the explosive nature of the allegations, two Republican members of Congress, Dave Reichert and Eric Cantor, decided to pass on the information to the FBI director and take no action themselves. They didn’t even inform their colleagues on the House Intelligence Committee or in the House leadership. It was a terrible mistake on their part that enabled Obama to escape the damaging repercussions of the scandal right before what many conservatives called the most important presidential election of our lifetimes.

Major news personalities now seem to be in a rush to play down the scandal even more. Suzanne Kelly, CNN’s Intelligence Correspondent based in Washington, D.C., said on Monday, “It is not illegal to have an affair,” in regard to Petraeus admitting one. The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer wrote, “Within the military, there are rules about adultery. But within civilian life, should there be?”

Retired Army Maj. Glenn MacDonald, editor-in-chief of MilitaryCorruption.com, told Accuracy in Media, “While Petraeus is a retired Army general and a civilian, most recently director of the CIA, he is still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). According to regulations, if an officer is drawing retired pay, they can be called back on active duty to face charges at court-martial. Since adultery is a crime in the military, it is possible, although unlikely, that General Petraeus could face legal action.”

He added, “If he was charged, my guess is he would pay a fine and perhaps be reduced in rank one grade. Barring a finding of treason or leaking secrets, it is my educated guess Petraeus would not do any jail time."

The leaking of secrets, however, has now become the subject of several news reports, with claims of classified information on his mistress Paula Broadwell’s computer. Broadwell herself publicly gave information about the attack in Libya that appears to be classified. What’s more, The New York Times reports that FBI agents went to Broadwell’s home on Monday night “and were seen carrying away what several reporters at the scene said were boxes of documents.” The Washington Post reports that a senior law enforcement official said the agents were searching for any classified or sensitive documents that may have been in Broadwell’s possession.

Because of Cantor’s failure to go public, the scandal exploded only after the election, as Petraeus submitted his resignation as CIA director and Obama accepted it. “I would like to congratulate President Obama on his re-election,” Cantor had actually said on his blog, knowing that Obama’s administration was engaged in a massive cover-up. Only later did he acknowledge, in response to a New York Times report, that he had the information that could have derailed Obama’s presidential campaign and possibly given Mitt Romney the presidency.

Cantor, the House Majority Leader, had produced an 8,000-word report on October 23 assailing Obama for instituting an imperial presidency. He and his colleagues had been extremely critical of Obama’s management of U.S. foreign policy, suggesting that the war on terrorism had been badly mishandled and that the administration was covering up what really happened when four Americans were killed in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11. Petraeus was right in the middle of this scandal and was scheduled to testify before Congress about it.

It was in this context that a whistleblower approached Reichert and then Cantor with information about the FBI cover-up of the CIA director’s activities. The whistleblower undoubtedly thought that the Republicans would take the information and act on it, exposing the high-level cover-up before the presidential election. Instead, Cantor was content to let FBI Director Robert Mueller, who was re-appointed by Obama, handle the investigation.

But Cantor knew at that point, because of what the whistleblower had told him, that Mueller had not informed Congress about the probe and was failing to hold Petraeus accountable for his affair and the handling of the classified information. So turning the information over to Mueller was the equivalent of muzzling the whistleblower.

“On Saturday, Oct. 27, Cantor spoke by phone to an FBI employee who told him about an investigation, including the details about Petraeus’ affair, and said he was concerned that classified information had been compromised,” reported Jonathan Karl of ABC News. The FBI employee first contacted Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.), who then put the employee in touch with Cantor, Karl added. Notice the reference to “details about Petraeus’ affair.”

The revelation of Republicans being in possession of advance detailed knowledge of the scandal was first disclosed by The New York Times, which reported, “…the F.B.I. agent who had helped get a preliminary inquiry started, and learned of Mr. Petraeus’s affair and the initial concerns about security breaches, became frustrated.” It is clear that that he went to Congress out of frustration with the failure of the FBI to go after Petraeus and his mistress.

Cantor’s official statement was, “I was contacted by an F.B.I. employee concerned that sensitive, classified information may have been compromised and made certain Director Mueller was aware of these serious allegations and the potential risk to our national security.” (Emphasis added)

The FBI, of course, was completely aware of these “serious allegations” all along. The FBI knew about the scandal but was not acting on it, which is why the whistleblower went to Reichert and Cantor in the first place.

By going to Mueller, Cantor put the FBI whistleblower’s career in jeopardy. This helps explain why the whistleblower is fast becoming the subject of various negative news reports about his personal life. He trusted the Republicans and they failed him.

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Cliff Kincaid is the Director of the AIM Center for Investigative Journalism, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org.

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  1. csbridgComment by csbridg
    November 14, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

    I figured there was more to it than they were saying. Sad thing is this kind of thing is becoming so common it is hardly news anymore. Anything to take the limelight off of Obama’s failures and entertain the masses. You know the American people have to be the laughing stock of “the powers that be”. Who would ever believe they could continually pull bull like this off and still have total support.

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    • theoldsargeComment by theoldsarge
      November 14, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

      Nothing is going to hurt the Teflon President. Not only are the people the laughing stock but the US is the laughing stock to the rest of the world.

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  2. CarmineComment by Carmine
    November 14, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

    Why do I get the feeling that some high level republicans are in it with obama?

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      November 14, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

      I don’t think I’d be the least bit surprised to find out that that was the case, Carmine…

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    • arwenusaComment by arwenusa
      November 14, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

      There is so much smoke in that area (that at least some Republicans are in it with Obama) that it’s hard to believe that there is no fire.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

      We have a PARTY run government – there is only one party – it has two wings, a left wing (liberal socialists that are in control) and a right (chicken wing, cowards, that are so marginalized they don’t warrant mentioning).

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    • freelynComment by freelyn
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

      Now wait a moment, there may be more to why Cantor didn’t release the information and instead reported back to the people who were covering up. What do you think happens if this is fully investigated and the Republicans can prove that they had notified the people responsible and nothing was done? There might be some careful maneuvering going on here. To keep those responsible, fully responsible and document it.

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    • suzy2Comment by suzy2
      November 14, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

      Think about it…Obama has placed others in positions to protect his sorru A– .. So why not a man in a Republican seat to help sway other republicans? I m sure his sneaky slithering snake slim A– has done this.

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    • redseaComment by redsea
      November 14, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

      Carmine, The author of this article has several things wrong, and this commentary was very late with the news, probably because of the timing of when it is published and sent out. Anyway, if the congressman did not go to the news media, why didn’t the FBI agent? You can’t just go blab to the media about the personal life of a General or the Director of the CIA, and Cantor’s decision was out of respect for the General. There are ethics, And there is another take on the story, if you look at the time line, Eric Holder new about the story for a long time, and the FBI was in the middle of an investigation. This was not the reporting agent’s line of work at the agency, and he was not involved in the investigation. Do you think Obama did not know anything about this? The other take is that Obama is cleaning house, and he did not want Patreus to testify on Benghazi. It was not Cantor’s place to go to anyone but the Director of the FBI. Like the president or not, there is still a protocol to follow. The author of this article didn’t do a good piece on this one!

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    • drifterdanComment by drifterdan
      November 14, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

      They sure don’t seem to in with the American People. The one world order people are elites from the Republican and Democratic parties. Power knows no political bounds.

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    • thecitizenComment by thecitizen
      November 15, 2012 @ 11:01 am

      @ redsea: “It was not Cantor’s place to go to anyone but the Director of the FBI.”

      This was no time for meek and docile chain of command protocols! In the most corrupt, underhanded, sneaky and dishonest, power mongering and power abusing, crony infested administration ever, Cantor and Reichert had a duty to inform the FBI and then … had every duty, right and ‘place’ to tell anybody and everybody else that would listen.

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  3. goodforallComment by goodforall
    November 14, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

    Good old Eric Cantor-he is as worthless as Boehner! We have no real leadership in the GOP-pretty dern sad! This is why ****** is bullet proof.

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

      Is there a single Republican with any fire in his belly?

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    • yoldsComment by yolds
      November 14, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

      Bobinms, Nope!

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    • irishmomComment by irishmom
      November 15, 2012 @ 7:08 am

      Well we had Allen West but the Rino’s have betrayed him! George Soros brought the funds and the might of the DNC against him! He is being made an example of the fate of True American Believers. More of us to follow as O’s fist tightens!

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 15, 2012 @ 7:47 am

      Because Allen West dared to call Communists, well, Communists, because he dared to fight the MASSIVE voting fraud, he is left to hang.

      I am dismayed that the incredible vote cheat, districts reporting in at 140+%, or 100% for Obama, well is that just dandy? The Republicans then just tootle on off. Pathetic! Further elections are just pointless. When will Obama issue an Executive Decree that he can just walk into a 3rd or 4th or 5th term? Sure that Boehner, Cantor… will just reach across the isle.

      We have finally joined the long ranks of Banana Republics. Our Dictator even does better in votes in key areas than that of many Dictators! Papa Doc would be proud to have such company, and Hugo Chavez is envious.

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  4. rosecoatsComment by rosecoats
    November 14, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

    Petraeus was set up as the CIA director for a reason; to be gotten rid of. Too bad Petraeus and Allen both took the bait, they were fools who fell into the trap set up for them. Bumbling congressmen didn’t realize that the onus was on them to reveal the truth. They probably still believe in the tooth fairy.

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    • middlegroundComment by middleground
      November 14, 2012 @ 10:49 pm

      From sealed divorce records to honeytraps. Great plot for a movie.

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  5. lastamericanComment by lastamerican
    November 14, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

    Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups, you will always get what you thought would never happen. Happy 2012!

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    • kissgirlComment by kissgirl
      November 14, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

      Lastamerican, you are exactly right about stupid people in large groups. It would not have mattered if this came out before the election, it wouldn’t have changed anything. The Obama Zombies can find no wrong with anything he does. He could strangle a puppy and eat it on live TV and they’d excuse that too. And let’s not forget a little thing called election rigging. It was over before it even started.

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  6. warwomanComment by warwoman
    November 14, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

    Stunning!
    When is Cantor up for reelection?
    It might be handy to find out who all is up for reelection in 2014.

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    • lynninvaComment by lynninva
      November 14, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

      The term for all members of the House is 2 years, so they are all up for reelection in 2014. The Senate term is 6 years.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

      1/3rd of the Senate is up for election/reelection in 2014. All of the House is up for grabs. I expect the Democrats to keep control of the Senate – even add the super majority they need, and for them to take back the house. I think this is probably Princess Pelosi’s last call – so she will probably step down now and just enjoy the insider knowledge to milk more money to her bank account – gotta pay for all that botox somehow.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

      No, she announced today that she’s not stepping down.

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      November 14, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

      damn, I was hoping we’d FINALLY manage to get rid of her… maybe someone will run against her and she’ll lose. and maybe the sky will turn purple and it will rain M&Ms. :)

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  7. stickmanComment by stickman
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

    If Fast and Furious and even the original 9/11/12 Benghazi story had no effect – what would the Petraeus story have done.?? Americans don’t care what Obama or his minions do. What of the story of the Secret Service agents and those military that accompanied him to S. America? Our government is corrupt and immoral – and it totally reflects the majority of the citizens of the United States.

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    • stopspendingComment by stopspending
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

      Got to agree with you. The economy, f & f, Benghazi, You didn’t build it, put you back in chains, on and on and the voters did not care. All they hear is that they get a free phone, free women’s health care, legalization of all illegals like he did for the dream kids. Gimme, gimme, gimme. It is scary. most of what was promised was either a lie or just a pay back with our tax dollars. Wait til we see what he does to pay back the unions, hispanics and others the next four years. Batton down the hatches it is going to get rough. Already calling for not only tax hikes on the”rich” but captial gains tax hikes, investment tax hikes and I am sure inheritence taxes.

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    • JudyComment by Judy
      November 17, 2012 @ 6:34 pm

      You are probably right, but I still think if Cantor had that info in October, he should have passed it on to the GOP/ Congress and let whoever take it to the news. What is going to happen IF they ever prove the pres did something illegal by letting the attack go on 7 hours without any intervention or holding back any help that might have saved someone? Nearly half the country is waiting for this day.. but then what… I have never seen this country so divided.. and mostly by moral issues. makes me so sick.

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  8. regustedComment by regusted
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

    Do we now know why obama did so poorly at the first debate? I hope Petraeus is mad enough that he scalds obama’s a$$.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:28 pm

      “I” expect Petraeus to do one of two things – either try and restore some honor to his name in his testimony – or commit suicide (literally, not figuratively).

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    • wumingrenComment by wumingren
      November 14, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

      I think Obama voted “present” at the debates because he knew the election was in the bag. Numerous precincts reported over 100% voter participation, even up to 140%. How does that square with nearly 10 million former Obama voters staying home on Election Day? The polls that were always showing Obama ahead of Romney until late in the campaign, when the two drew even, supposedly oversampled Democrats, leaving some to think Romney was ahead all along. Taking out nearly 10 million Obama voters should have left those polls showing Romney with a decisive lead, and yet, he lost. I wonder if anyone is doing a postmortem on all this to determine the extent of the fraud.

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  9. loranComment by loran
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

    Here is a great reason for Conservatives to clean house. Even Cantor would rather play these stupid little political games than support our party. Maybe we do need to form our own conservative party. If Cantor knew, then Boehner also knew. It sure seems like these guys really did not want to win the election. What else are we to think?

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

      The Republican Party is NOT conservative – they are self serving establishment progressives – not as liberal as the Socialist Democrats – but naked – you can’t tell one from the other. IF you want a conservative party, constitutional, you better get your act in gear. You cannot have just a presidential candidate – like the libertarians (who still cling to the Republicans for recognition – Ron and Rand Paul the examples), but you must have candidates at ALL levels of government, even local – the dog catcher if he/she is elected. IF you do not do that, and you are not able to get those conservatives that are already elected into your new party – you may as well sit back and enjoy the slide down the slippery slope to being the United Socialist States of America under the aegis of the United Nations which IS controlled by Socialists and Muslims.

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  10. FreeDameComment by FreeDame
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

    And you think this scandal would have cost Obummer the election? Are you delusional?

    The sad truth is, the media, who convinced the lemmings that the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal was “just about sex,” would have done the same thing here. The same people who know more about the Green Bay Packers than they do about the US Constitution would have smirked and changed the channel.

    If there were a single set of b*lls on the Republican side of Congress, Obummer would currently be facing impeachment, as well as prosecution for treason. But the Republican “leadership” is so busy being “reasonable” that they don’t even see that the “moderate” seats are now well on the Left side of the aisle. Marshmallows have stiffer backbones.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

      The media IS doing the same thing here. they care not about national security or even their own security as a nation of free people. It will be interesting to see how they take it when there is only one NEWS – like Pravda in the Soviet Union – all those pundits won’t be needed.

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  11. pypypypyComment by pypypypy
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

    Sadly, we will never know. More importantly now, is will Gen Petreus do the right thing and tell the truth during the hearings tomorrow.

    If he has any integrity left (afterall, his family has been hurt and his career is over) will he go down like a true hero, go nuclear, take a few “bodies” and go down like a soldier?

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  12. bless2liveComment by bless2live
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

    Only the tip of the iceberg has been touched! There seems to be more than enough weight and speed of both parties to knock a hole in there ship! Might be the best is yet to come on this stinking rotten goverment that has been devouring America!

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

      Talk – how far did Issa get on Fast and Furious. Executive Privilege – and that is the end of that – along with a few lies.

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  13. steven LComment by steven L
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

    Did anybody noticed that these were 2 Jewish congressmen!
    Why not other Republicans?
    Was this a set-up!

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  14. wumingrenComment by wumingren
    November 14, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

    “The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer wrote, ‘Within the military, there are rules about adultery. But within civilian life, should there be?’”

    Hey Jane, ask yourself why there are rules about adultry in the military and then ask yourself if such rules should not apply to all politicians and political appointees. If you think they should not apply, explain why you think they should not. Explain why liberals are so eager to report on the sexual peccadillos of conservatives, while ignoring those of liberals. Try to do your explaining without being hypocritical, playing word games, or lying.

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  15. sumitchComment by sumitch
    November 14, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

    I’ve been preaching for months that the problem isn’t the Republicans or the Democrats. It’s the congress. There has been more than enough done to warrant impeachment proceedings even though he would never be convicted. I was yelling, emailing and calling my Senators and Representative as well as the GOP to prepare for fraud in the upcoming election. They didn’t do squat did they? The VA has asked me for proof of insurance (Medicare and supplemental) for the first time ever and I’ve been fortunate enough to use their help for years. Now I’m ranting that the administration is pulling an end around congress again and that they are going to start billing the various insurance companies for VA medical services. Remember when initially this administration tried to get the military to pay for their own insurance and the screams shut them up. They are going after it again through another door. Imagine how our volunteer military is going to react when the job is go risk your life and you pay for the insurance. There’s no way that any insurance company will write a policy that even generals could afford. And just the effort will cause their rates to spiral through the ceiling affecting every mother’s sons and daughters out there. We’ll see far less volunteers for service which will weaken our military more and further damage the nation’s security. We’ll see more and more troops not re-enlist and try to find a job in a market where there are very few to be had. Especially for someone with bayonet skills (oops, I forgot. Our military doesn’t use bayonets any more. Just big ships and big bombs, Silly me). Watch workman’s compensation costs go through the ceiling and further bankrupt the program not to mention an already bankrupt social security. Wonder where all the money went? Maybe to buy votes to keep certain of congress in their jobs and to build bridges to nowhere as a bribe? Wait till January when Obamacare really kicks in and the bills start coming due. And don’t feel too secure in your second amendment rights kiddies. There’s a storm on the horizon if congress doesn’t find a few leaders with backbones that realize that their job is to protect the country and its citizens, not to just stay in the job. Want put a bet on that? I’ll give 4 to 1 odds against

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    • yoldsComment by yolds
      November 14, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

      4 to 1 odds?? Hell sumitch, I’d give them 20 – 1 odds they do exactly what you said. There are so many things wrong with this country and the people in it now that I truely believe we had better prepare for a complete meltdown, hell, I’d advocate for it if I could do so without going to prison. This country needs a Revelution to clean out the criminal, treasonous freeloaders and theives.

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    • spindizzyComment by spindizzy
      November 15, 2012 @ 3:23 am

      The BO administration is getting ready for that, yolds. Why else would it be buying millions of rounds of hollow-points for Homeland Security? And they are pushing as hard as they can to bring it to that. Be careful of what you say, I’m sure we are being watched. The new brown-shirts are being trained as we speak.

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  16. SamuelDComment by SamuelD
    November 14, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

    If “Republicans” knew about it, there’s no way the White House didn’t know.

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  17. samswedeComment by samswede
    November 14, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

    If the AG knew, Obama knew. I disagree that this would have affected the Presidential race. The media would have protected Obama, as they always do. I’m surprised they’re not referring to Petraeas as “Republican” David Petraeas. The ignorant masses would never have blamed our holy leader.

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  18. yoldsComment by yolds
    November 14, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

    This article is nothing but ! The economy is STILL in the tank after $5 Trillion in spending, We have the Bengazi scandel, We have Fast & Furious, Numerous, too numerous to count failures of this administration and you think a General having an affair would have actually swayed the voters to move towards Romney?? HAHAHA, what a joke! Hey, I voted for Romney, I still want Obama arrested for gross negligence and treason, but lets get real here. The Latinos voted for amnesty, the Gays for marriage, the women for their genitals and the blacks for, well because he gives “fre” stuff, Who are you trying to kid, yourselves??

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  19. poorgrandchildren.comComment by poorgrandchildren.com
    November 14, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

    Since the Republicans are too wimpy to investigate Obama’s probably fraudulent birth certificate and a few other high crimes and misdemeanors, we can not expect any protection from them.

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  20. sexysadieComment by sexysadie
    November 14, 2012 @ 6:31 pm

    If the Benghazi horror didn’t do it, then no other scandal will. The people who voted for BO don’t care about those issues. They care about: abortion, freebies, and homosexual agenda. This is exactly my point in other threads about the whole issue of eliminating the “social conservatives” from the republican party platform. You see, morality is the basis for all our ills both fiscally and socially. Until the repubs get that, the party will never win another election.

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  21. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    November 14, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

    The Whistleblower should have taken it to Romney’s camp.

    Cover up by Obama’s team was to hold back info until after the election and it worked for them.

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  22. jc63Comment by jc63
    November 14, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

    The liberal left and the liberal dominated media would have dismissed this as well. They arent serious about national security, “yet”. Some people just need to actually see the ship sinking and realise that they are on it as well before they even except the notion that it “could” sink. By then of course its to late.

    Theyre to infatuate with obama to recognize the need to scrutize him as we should every politician and especially the liberal Harvard educated attorney variety. Not to mention his obvious display of contempt for America prior to his first election.

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  23. OldpatriotComment by Oldpatriot
    November 14, 2012 @ 8:24 pm

    If the time line is correct(?), and Americans are wondering why Republicans lose presidential elections, look no further than these two clown congressmen. No intestinal fortitude whatsoever. The MSM is useless in these situations. We all know that. In the political realm, when facts, literally, hit one over the head, use them. Sickening.

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  24. tfanta05Comment by tfanta05
    November 14, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

    Of all the blogs I have read since the election, everyone sounds defeated. We are not! We lost! Why! That’s a good question. We did everything we could and still lost. Republicans having this information before the election would not have brought the president down, but it would not have hurt to have him explainig himself, the weeks prior to the election. Who knows what it would have done. For sure it would have hurt. Combine this with Benghazi before the election and it would have cast doubt about voting for Obama. But only from true democrats. Not the gay, illegal, and avaerage black vote. They didn’t win it for Obama. They don’t have enough voting power in the USA to do it “yet”. It was the white majority vote that got him a seconed term. Here is where this information would have mattered.
    We now have three cover ups in the last six months. Holder, Benghazi, and Petraeus.
    Petraeus will be served a subpoena to testify as a civilian. This is only the beginning. Our job is to make enough noise the next few months to make sure it’s not sweeped away.

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  25. bigjohn555Comment by bigjohn555
    November 14, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

    The House Republicans DEFINITELY need new leadership. Boehner and Cantor must be scrapped. Michelle Bachmann would be a good replacement for Boehner. Let her pick a good Whip.

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