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Kincaid: Catholic Church Rejects Surrender Terms from Obama

By Cliff Kincaid

My Catholic priest, Father Larry Swink, delivered a homily on Sunday that I told him would make headlines. In the toughest sermon I have ever heard from a pulpit, he attacked the Obama Administration as evil, even demonic, and warned of religious persecution ahead. What was also newsworthy about the sermon was that he cited The Washington Post in agreement—not on the subject of the Obama Administration being evil, but on the matter of its abridgment of the constitutional right to freedom of religion.

What is happening is extraordinary and unprecedented. The Catholic Church is in open revolt against the Obama Administration, with Fr. Swink noting from the pulpit that priests across the archdiocese were joining the call on Sunday to rally Catholics to resistance against the U.S. Government. He said we are entering a time of religious persecution and that Catholics and others will have to make a final decision about which side they are on.

The issue is what the Catholic Bishops have called a “literally unconscionable” edict by the Obama Administration demanding that sterilization, abortifacients and contraception be included in virtually all health plans.

At a time when the media are full of reports about who is ahead and behind in the polls, and who will win the next Republican presidential primary, this incredible uprising in the Catholic Church is something that could not only overshadow the political campaign season, but also may have a major impact on the ultimate outcome—if Republicans know how to handle it. This matter goes beyond partisan politics to the growing perception of an unconstitutional Obama Administration assault on religious freedom. To hear the Catholic Bishops and Priests describe it, our constitutional republic and our freedoms hang in the balance.

The administration claims there is a religious exemption in the mandate, but the bishops say it is so narrow that it fails to cover the vast majority of faith-based organizations, including Catholic hospitals, universities and service organizations that help millions every year. “Ironically,” they say, “not even Jesus & his disciples would have qualified.”

The bishops go on, “Now that the Administration has refused to recognize the Constitutional conscience rights of organizations and individuals who oppose the mandate, the bishops are now urging Catholics and others of good will to fight this unprecedented attack on conscience rights and religious liberty.”

Interestingly, The Washington Post, as Father Swink indicated, agrees with the bishops. The paper said, “In this circumstance, requiring a religiously affiliated employer to spend its own money in a way that violates its religious principles does not make an adequate accommodation for those deeply held views. Having recognized the principle of a religious exemption, the administration should have expanded it.”

So why would the administration pick a major fight with the Catholic Church? There are two main reasons. (1) The administration wants to please its progressive and feminist, secular pro-abortion base. (2) The administration believes Catholics are divided on the issue and will ignore their leaders and follow Obama.

Support for the latter explanation comes in the form of the Obama Administration’s efforts to co-opt the Catholic Church, primarily through appointing nominal Catholics to high-level positions in government and keeping funding going to the church for “social justice” causes. Another player in this effort is the hedge-fund billionaire George Soros, an atheist who nevertheless has found groups that are “Catholic in name only” to accept his financial largesse. These groups, including Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, are designed to give the impression that Catholics are less concerned about issues like stopping abortion and protecting the sanctity of traditional marriage than passing government health care. The Obama/Soros gamble may be backfiring.

It’s true that the bishops went along with Obama’s health care scheme, even lobbying on its behalf. But now they seem to be realizing that the plan was a Trojan Horse designed to force population control measures on the people of the United States. It will be difficult for the bishops to continue working with the administration on other issues, like immigration. They have drawn a line in the sand. They cannot back down.

Father Larry Swink of Jesus The Divine Word Catholic Church in Huntingtown, Maryland, is not alone in his tough language. Pittsburgh Bishop David A. Zubik posted a letter on the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh’s website that said, “It is really hard to believe that it happened. It comes like a slap in the face. The Obama administration has just told the Catholics of the United States, ‘To Hell with you!’ There is no other way to put it.” He added, “This whole process of mandating these guidelines undermines the democratic process itself. In this instance, the mandate declares pregnancy a disease, forces a culture of contraception and abortion on society, all while completely bypassing the legislative process.”

You know it’s serious when the bishops are talking about heaven and hell.

Indeed, Fr. Swink opened his discussion of what he described as the evil nature of the Obama Administration by reading from scripture about Jesus casting out demons. He saw the order on health care coverage as the start of religious persecution. The congregation joined him in calls of “Amen” when he challenged them to stand tall with the church.

You cannot expect the secular Washington Post to go along with such rhetoric. But even its liberal editorial writer saw the ramifications of the health care order, perhaps anticipating the confrontation that we now see developing. From the point of view of this liberal paper, the Obama Administration is not only undermining religious freedom but risking a major backlash to its overall “progressive” agenda and even a second term in office.

Some may see this battle as just another church-state dust-up that will be resolved through litigation. But when apocalyptic imagery is used, such as what I heard at my church on Sunday, one must wonder if there is an awakening on the part of the Catholic community and if there is something else going on here besides politics as usual. In short, is the Catholic Church beginning to finally recognize the real nature of the Obama Administration?

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Cliff Kincaid is the Director of the AIM Center for Investigative Journalism, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org.

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  1. Mary SComment by Mary S
    January 30, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

    Are the Catholics going to stand with their Church or with the new messiah?  Every single truly Catholic American who voted for this evil man should be standing in line at the confessional.  The marginalization of the Catholic Church in America has been going on for years, and we have allowed it.  The Communist/Marxist/Facist left that now controls the government of the United States believes they have overcome all objections to their power and control and are marching forward regardless.
    Do we as a people have the will to stop them?  Do we?

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    • eobc65Comment by eobc65
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

      Every Catholic that voted for Obama likely falls into the category of “cafeteria catholic” – pick and choose the parts of Catholic doctrine that won’t make your life a  path of thorns. God never promised you a rose garden, folks. These Catholics also are the ones who are catholic in name only and, quite frankly, can be labeled in the following terms: “I don’t really believe in something, so I’ll believe anything.” I don’t understand how any Catholic, real or not could have voted for anyone with so much to hide and with a background so steeped in Socialism as BHO. 

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    • kehakoComment by kehako
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

      I must say I was shocked in 2008 when 54% of Catholics voted for Obama.  I didn’t understand how so many Catholics could overlook the fact that Obama was Pro-Choice. It caused several of my family members to doubt their Catholic faith.  Hopefully now the Catholics of America will stand up for what is right and not elect Obama for a second term.  Our country can’t take another four years of his kind of change.  Let’s take our country back so we can be free to cling to our religion, guns and freedom. 

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    • peddlar06Comment by peddlar06
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

      Folks , If you vote him back in office, you ain’t seen nothing yet. This is just the beginnings of mandates on things you would never guess. This man has already told us he is going to ignore Congress if they don’t go his way. Remember, his negotiation method is “My way or the Highway!”
      So folks, make up your mind know what you want. Obama shoving a barrage of Presidential Orders down our throats, concerning things Congress should discuss and most you won’t like, or America governed by The Constitution Of the United States Of America. There will be a choice BEFORE the election because if you wait until after, there may never be that choice again. And this man and his thugs are going to run the most vicious campaign ever seen in this country.
      BEWARE!

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    • BillzillaComment by Billzilla
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

      Not only the Catholics, but all Christians; we must simply all stand together or be picked off one by one!

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      January 30, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

      First time I have heard “cafeteria Catholic”.  Amnyway, in 2008 a majority of Catholics – individuals, church leaqders, and even sub-organizations – endorsed Obama.  I asked what the hay was going on here?  Couldn’t the Catholics, especially leadership, ”see” where Obama was taking them.  Regardless of all the socialistic and communistic rhetoric, wasn’t the support of massive abortions enough to turn Catholics away?

      The answer was a rresounding “NO” as a majority of Catholics voted for the obummer.  I suppose they were expecting a sufficient amount of “goodies” that they buried their averwsion to evil.  Now they are crying “RAPE”.

      Acc ording to  eobc65  , a large number of church members, religious leaders, and organizations must be “Catholic in name only for supporting Obama in 2008.  Has the Catholic church and its leadership slipped back into the dark ages where the selling of “Indulgences” was common place?

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 31, 2012 @ 4:45 am

      Too bad the Catholic Bishops didn’t react this way during the massive molestation scandal!

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  2. enolagayComment by enolagay
    January 30, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

    I’m thankful the Church is finally taking a stand on morality; we wouldn’t have this calamity now if they had taken a stand 50 years ago; the moral decline of America came when the Catholic Church went along with the hippies of the 60′s and now look at us; I hope we’re not too late.  God have mercy on our souls.

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    • OutspokenComment by Outspoken
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

      Islam is also anti-abortion so are they going to stand for this mandate or are they yet again exempt from this unlike the rest of us?

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    • linfComment by lin
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

      Me, too, enolagay.  I certainly hope all religions band together to preserve the rights of all.  First they came for the Catholics…

      Only a hypocrite could support Gingrich while decrying the moral decay of our society.   

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    • Wlmitch1Comment by Wlmitch1
      January 31, 2012 @ 9:24 pm

      @lin

      “Me, too, enolagay.  I certainly hope all religions band together to preserve the rights of all.  First they came for the Catholics…
      Only a hypocrite could support Gingrich while decrying the moral decay of our society. ”

      Newt Gingrich has repented, and has converted to the Catholic Faith. I prefer Rick Santorum myself, but facts are facts.

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    • snowhawkComment by snowhawk
      February 13, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

       
      Checking my records their were 12 wonderful young hippies of the Catholic faith I helped through the abortion prosess in the late 60s. I did so because as a Christian I couldn’t refuse when they asked if I’d help.

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  3. mvjimoComment by mvjimo
    January 30, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

    This author would agree with me that the Left insured a poor box-office draw for “Mars Needs Moms.” For those not familiar, the movie asserted a feminism-gone-wild on Mars, where all boys born are disposed of in caves below so the girls can be raised by “nanny-bots” as the soldiers of the empire. What would have happened if this movie become the box-office blockbuster it should have been? The goals of feminism exposed!

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      January 30, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

      I might need to rent that movie. I don’t remember seeing any previews for it so I had no idea what the movie was about.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

      Reading about the movie I noticed it is that real-motion animation like Polar Express. My kids liked that movie, but I found that type of animation strange. Wonder why they chose to use that format instead of the Pixar type animation? I will still give it a shot.

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 30, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

       
      People were just exercising their right not to see a film; you don’t need a conspiracy to explain that. You know, “The Last Temptation of Christ”, was not only boycotted by Christians, it was protested against. Christians clogged the streets in front of theater in my town to keep people from seeing the movie; many theaters refuse to show it after the uproar because they feared a backlash, though apparently few protesters had actually seen the movie. Some Catholics blindly followed orders because the Church added it to their list of banned films. Have you ever seen the movie (made by a Catholic, Martin Scorsese)?  Or read the book, which is also quite good IMHO. The author, Nikos Kazantzakis, was a devout Catholic, and he struggled to comprehend the nature of Jesus and the metaphysical and human sides of the story.  The book and the movie may be the first ever to treat Jesus as something other than a two-dimensional cardboard cutout. If you want to understand what Jesus may have gone through, you should see the movie or read the book, rather than say, something like the ahistorical and arguably unbiblical violence-porn produced by Mel Gibson. “The Last Temptation” is very moving and I wouldn’t be surprised if it made converts of many.

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      January 30, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

      This topic does NOT havbe a blasted thing to do with the topic under discussion.  The only thing it does is divert attention away from the original topic.

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  4. pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
    January 30, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

    The Muslims are exempt from the Obamacare insurance mandate because their religion believes that insurance is a form of gambling which is prohibited. Funny how some religions get a pass when a law conflicts with their beliefs while other religions don’t seem to enjoy that privilege. Isn’t that similar to the government promoting one religion over another by making the playing field uneven? Sounds a little like establishment to me.

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    • KMcCComment by KMcC
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

      I believe the reason Obama has the exemption for Muslims is because he is ONE.  When he went to non-christian church of Rev. Wright all that was preached was hatred of America.  A true Christain does not hold such hatred!  In Obama’s eyes a Islam can do no wrong!  He was taught that in school in his homeland of Indonesia.     

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

      Muslims do for Muslims.  In Muslim eyes, Islamics are a little more equal than everybody else and of course, worshipful king Obummer in in that great Mecca, Washington DC, wants it that way.

      If you are vwery vwery quiet and look real close, you can see Obummer’s czars, bowing to DC at least five times a day.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      January 31, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

      Thinking on this exemption made me wonder about exactly how this “insurance is gambling and therefore evil” works? Think of all the Muslim doctors in this country. One would assume that their practices are more than happy to accept payments from insurance companies of their patients. I suppose it is okay for them to benefit from the insurance policies of infidels. Do those Muslim doctors purchase insurance for their employees? Will they receive an exemption from providing coverage under Obamacare when they are an employer?

      Also, do you think that Muslims refuse to accept insurance coverage that is paid for by their employers? Perhaps it isn’t gambling if you don’t use your own money. (Kind of the same way Obama feels about spending our tax dollars on stupid gambles like high speed trains.)

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  5. lwessonComment by lwesson
    January 30, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

    And, His Lordship, Obama, in full measure of his mighty self righteousness, has ignored the lowly, Shire of Georgia and it’s legal issue with The King as per whether or not, he is illegible to be on the ballot in 2012.  To this, The Shire of Georgia, went on with the legal proceedings.  NOT MUCH about that in the Mainstream Media or what is considered, conservative media and nothing here on GOPUSA.
     
    It is interesting to see how Obama has taken, the sneering contempt that The Federal Government has for Christians, The States, We the People and outwardly broadcast this contempt in revealing ways.  The contempt was there, long before Obama, it is just that Obama is applying it in full measure, as hard and fast as possible.
     
    Kind of like, raising the water in the pot quickly to a boil, making us Lobsters jump vs, getting further sleepy in the increasingly warm, but slowly warm at that, “hot tub.”

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  6. jazzComment by jazz
    January 30, 2012 @ 3:05 pm

    The truth will come out ONLY when Democrat Catholics finally stand up for Catholism…..in the past, the Kennedy’s, Durbin’s, Leahy’s, Biden’s. etc. put their ideology first!

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

      I have always assumed that they are Catholics in name only. They have so blatantly ignored the teachings of the Church you wonder why they even bother to call themselves Catholic.

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    • godsgirlComment by godsgirl
      January 30, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

      And of course, the Pelosis.

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  7. laughinguyComment by laughinguy
    January 30, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

    I can even think of a flag for the movement.  It should have the words “Come and Take It” on there.

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  8. bigtComment by bigt
    January 30, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

     
    Wow, talk about paranoid rants. Something to consider: The Catholic Church, historically, was probably the most oppressive institution the Western World ever saw, and the oppression lasted more than a thousand years, from the time of Constantine to the end of the religious wars in Europe. If you know the history, you know about the burning of innocent women accused of nonsensical crimes by the hundreds of thousands. You know about the suppression of science, free speech, freedom of religion, and so on. So… maybe Kincaid’s priest should be more circumspect. Now, having said that, I think the Church has been a much more positive force in the last hundred years or so, but they are still medieval when it comes to birth control (that’s their right of course). If we’re not going to have universal health care like the other 22 industrialized democracies, then everyone needs to have options through their healthcare provider (commonly their employer). Hence mandates. Yes, it’s less than perfect, even unfortunate. I don’t think compelling Church institution on this one is a good idea either. Note, we wouldn’t be having this problem if we had single provider universal healthcare. But Cliff Kincaid isn’t a nuanced thinker and he has a tendency to overreact to basically everything. Kincaid isn’t a scholar either (far, far from it). His one trick is blowing everything out of proportion. BTW: Isn’t his priest doing the same thing Jeremiah Wright did, condemning the government in very harsh terms and making paranoid claims, but in this case even more extreme?  It’s because of people like Kincaid who turn every issue (that might have a middle ground and otherwise let us come to a modus vivendi with our political adversaries), into a paranoid rants of fear mongering and hyperbolic nonsense designed to inflame people into thinking it’s time for a civil war, that we can’t resolve our differences. That’s just dishonesty, sleazy campaigning, and really a kind of war mongering, too. Jesus never said a thing about birth control or abortion (which was common in the Levant well before the first century). Maybe he thought there were other priorities; like serving and feeding the poor, non-violence, and loving the Father (things the Church does better than any other contemporary religious institution, I think). Also remember that there were actually priest who either served or openly sympathized with, the NAZIs and were never condemned by the Church. So maybe the Church, and especially Mr. Kincaid’s parish priest, are not to be automatically trusted. I think all women have a right to be more than just baby making machines and the right to choose how they manager their own bodies.

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    • keithComment by keith
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

      Sheesh.. Birth control aside.. why should ANY faith be forced to submit to laws the run counter to its beliefs? I find it disgusting to equate Christianity to Nazis using acts committed during Medieval or Renaissance periods.. how long ago was this?

      I won’t get into a debate but to stand by one’s faith is the most paramount right we have as citizens regardless or what you “feel” the Church should do. I’m not Catholic but I stand by their right to fight doing what is against their laws or moral beliefs. You can quote Jesus or the Bible all you want, its still their right to interpret the Bible as they choose and certainly you are entitle to interpret the Bible how you choose. You don’t have a right though to enforce your interpretation thru legislation down their throats..

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

      The Bible certainly condemns murder and Psalm 139 speaks of the unborn child as a being created and known by God. Location of the victim doesn’t make murder of an innocent acceptable. Certainly the Catholic Church has had some bad leadership in the past, but you can’t use their past sins to justify abortion. The morning-after pill is a chemical abortion. It’s purpose is to prevent implantation AFTER fertilization has already occurred. It is also a dangerous drug that can result in serious complications. 

      Perhaps if the Catholic institutions only hired devout Catholics this would not be an issue. Since they employ a large number of people through their various institutions, I imagine a lot of people would rather have a job than company-provided birth control. They can use their paycheck to pay for whatever birth control they want to use. The Catholic church isn’t saying that their non-Catholic employees are not allowed to use birth control. They simply don’t want to be forced to pay for it.

      BTW……..you sound like you are in favor of socialized medicine.     

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

      Gee whiz, I didn’t equate the Church with the NAZIs; let’s not get into that canard, please! I pointed out that the Church has a very checkered history, it’s not infallible, and what I stated are facts. I don’t mean to offend anyone. If you grow up in the US, you don’t learn real history, you learn a very sanitized history, which shapes your consciousness and often makes people unwitting defenders of the indefensible. Yes, healthcare for every American. That’s far more humane than the failing system we have at the moment (with about 50 million without health insurance). As far as forcing people to do things against their faith, that’s sort of complicated issue, isn’t it? And simple answers don’t really help. There are very religious people in the SW U.S. who think women should be married off by their fathers when they’re 14 to much older men. That’s their faith. Do we impose government rules on them, or leave those women to lead lives of slavery and sexual abuse? There are people for reasons of faith who will not take their children to the doctor when they are ill, and so those children will sometimes die hideous deaths because of something that could have been easily treated. So you see… it’s not so simple, and it’s always a matter of perspective. But, let’s try to be more nuanced in our thinking, and not so black and white.

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    • kehakoComment by kehako
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

      It’s not a good idea to get into a debate with someone who thinks they are intellectually superior to everyone else. 
      True Catholics believe in the sanctity of innocent life. Period, end of discussion!

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

      “Jesus never said a thing about birth control or abortion (which was common in the Levant well before the first century). Maybe he thought there were other priorities; like serving and feeding the poor, non-violence, and loving the Father”

      I laugh when someone claims that Jesus never said anything about this or that.  How ridiculous.  Jesus completely supported the idea of “you shall not murder”, and what else is abortion if it’s not murder?  Jesus was not the pacifist that most people believe.  Otherwise, why would he tell his disciples if they didn’t own a sword to sell their garment and buy one?

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    • endoscopyComment by endoscopy
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

      Talk about paranoia.  Your rant is a perfect example.  While some bad things happened in the past your rant is much exaggerated with the more than 1000 years of continued suppression.  Being run by people any organization over an extended period of time will have major problems.  A true reading of Church history shows that there was continued backlash at these extremes done periodically.  Your portrait of a continued unbroken suppression is nonsense.  In WW2 there were Catholics that died helping the Jews including some priests.
      This country was founded on Christian principles as noted in the Declaration of Independence.  “…we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights…”.  The Constitution guarantees freedom of Religion.  A Christian is to be guided by the Bible and what it says.  If you don’t like what the Bible says too bad.  Don’t forget that what you hold as proper can be thought as despicable by others.  Ranting about Biblicaly held principles also makes you subject to the same type of discussion of your beliefs.
      This priest in the Catholic Church is saying the same things that ministers in other denominations and many politicians are saying.  Senator Sanatorium mentioned this in the debates.  When a doctor or nurse can be prosecuted for not giving an abortion on demand when their religious convictions tell them this is murder is beyond the pale.  This is happening today in some places.  The you and the MSM ignores this.

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    • colinjohnComment by colinjohn
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

      You would have to read history by someone other than someone with an ax to grind.  Believe it or not, a lot of information we have today was not known back then. Quite a bit of it.  Innoculations, size of the Solar system, bacteria, etc ad nauseum.  Also politics was quite a bit different back then.  We know even more than we did 100 years ago.  Please remember what institutions built schools and hospitals.  The wealthy did not.  The Catholic Church did.  The wealthy had no incentive to provide medical care or scholastic settings for anyone but themselves.  The Church had individuals who did not live the Gospel, as any other religious group does.  Remember the Church of England after Henry VIII threw out the Catholic church.  The murderous persecution they inflicted upon Catholics. 
      I wonder if retired General Colin Powell thinks Obama is still “the man”?  I wonder if he has some doubts?  One thing I am sure of, I’m glad he was elected because if Cain and Palin had been elected, we’d have had a VP with an incredible vacancy between the ears.  Obama has stirred us all to re-orient our country by being a focal point. Only because of him have we gotten this angry and disturbed.  The country is not in worse shape because of him, it got there with the help of the previous 20+ years.  It will be entirely different if he is re-elected and his agenda unchallenged.  1 Term is enough.  Let’s hope we don’t over-correct.

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    • Texas GuyComment by TexasGuy
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

      FYI, Colin Powell is having more than second thoughts about Obamass.  He is now endorsing Gingrich.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:06 pm

      No government has the right to edict rules for any specific religion.  By exempting Muslims from Obamacare, and exempting Muslims from TSA scans and searches, you are giving one religion/political system, privlege over all others.  You are in effect, creating an elite religous class.

      In my opinion, the concept of separate church and state, has been circumvented and indirectly nullified, by the Obummer administration.  Unequal enforcement of the law, is at the top of the list, for that law to be ruled unconstitutional.  

      Requiring Catholics to obey laws that go directly against their basic tennets and principals, while exempting Islamics from these same laws, is unconsciencable and wrong.  

      Ask yourself the question, Who is Obummer’s next target?  Jews, Protastants, Evangelicals???   

       

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 31, 2012 @ 2:31 am

       
       
       
       
      Can’t you people read? First, the point I was trying to make is that the Church as an institution has a historical record that is dubious. Ergo, they can be wrong about stuff. Drawing non sequiturs is an art form with some of you. And to ColinJohn; I’ve read many, many books on history, more than I think I could count, and many original sources (that’s how you do history). Most of you probably don’t know much about the first millennium’s history other than the sort of soft-peddled stuff you get from religious authors or the odd popular history treatment. There is brutality, Machiavellianism, intrigue, fanaticism, and official murder on a significant scale. You just have never learned about it. It’s not spoken of in the US because we’re so fanatical about religion. It would be impolite to publish such things. There are authors who, like Thomas Woods, Jr., write atrociously bad histories, they’re not worth reading if you care about real history. You can even take original Church sources as well as the works of Pagan authors (many of whom were executed) for their beliefs. Even devout Christians with the “wrong” sectarian view were murdered. Read about Arius (given a horrible poison, likely engineered by Athanasius) because he thought the Trinity was a ridiculous and unintelligible notion; as did a lot of early Christian thinkers. Did you know about that? But, Athanasius was determined to force everyone into ascent. And he did, eventually. The degree of Pagan persecutions was dramatically greater than the Christian persecutions, which is all one typically hears about in the US. I know you’ll all freak out, but rather than insult me, look into it. “Faith” in its modern Christian form was an invention of Paul’s in order to get people to accept obviously unbelievable claims. It’s worked fantastically well. You will believe anything you are told by Bronze and Iron Age authors who, among other things, thought disease was caused by sin and demons (God didn’t know about microorganisms then). I’m only citing a few examples here because there’s no point in going on and on so please don’t say things like, “those are just a few isolated incidents”. There is stuff that would horrify you in the Vatican library that’s kept away from the world, and much more in the literature of the time. Read about Giordano Bruno, Michael Servetus, et.al. You all believe in free speech and freedom of religion, right? See what was done to them by the infallible Church authorities (one a Pope, the other Calvin). There are popular works published about them. They’re hardly more than the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Do you know that Theodosius’s decrees made not being a Christian a capital crime? That’s why everyone in the West was a Christian; because you could be executed if you weren’t, and the power of the Roman Empire was used to enforce these decrees. What does that say to you? Did any of you have any real choices about your religion? If you had been adopted at birth and taken to the Middle East, most of you would be fanatical Muslims.

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    • BohdanUke1Comment by BohdanUke1
      January 31, 2012 @ 2:44 am

      You’re not even fit to walk among people. A disgrace to the human race… You and osamaobama are a product of evolution. On the other hand, Our Catholic family came from Adam & Eve.

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:10 am

      Dear BohdanUke1,
      You can check out the things I’ve stated above. Try actual history books though, the Catholic Encyclopedia really distorts the actual history, and some Jesuits and several brotherhoods constantly edit out such things from Wikipedia. Covering up history has been a long time goal of some people in the Church hierarchy. There are a lot of good priests who want to open the archives. I wish them well and hope they succeed. Read about Bruno. He had a very advanced cosmological model and asserted that the Earth was not the center of the solar system or even the universe. For that, he was held in a dark dungeon cell for 7 years. One day he was taken out, his tongue was nailed to a board, he was tied to a stake, and burned slowly over a period of hours.
      BTW, nice comment. No logic or evidence-based argument from you, just a nasty insult. I suspect you’re very young. When you get into your teens you may start to think for yourself. Good luck with that!

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    • jim17022Comment by jim17022
      January 31, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

      Actually, bigt, if you check the historical records carefully, you’ll find that that there was far more oppression, imprisonment, torture and killing committed in the previous century by Nazi and Communist regimes than in all the centuries prior to that by the Church. As well, if you check the historical records, you’ll see that the founding and growth (both in number as well as in quality) of humanitarian institutions such as hospitals and orphanages not to mention programs to care for the poor and defend those less fortunate is directly attributable to the Church. While *some* historical accountings may have been “massaged” the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the Church. True, she has some pretty serious marks against her but overall, historically, she’s done well despite those who have persecuted her. The Church certainly is not perfect… and is always in need of reform… but you never judge a movement by its errors and excesses alone.

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    • JuneComment by June
      February 1, 2012 @ 6:50 am

      bigt- -or is it “bigot”??  The church and everyone in this great nation SHOULD condemn the obama-soetoro administration- – it IS communism/fascism at it’s worst.  They’ve been “lying in wait”, to attack the US, since the 1960′s and their “time has come”, with obama-soetoro as their “facilitator”!  He was “groomed” for this – -read some of his bio!  Father Swink and Cliff Kincaid are FAR from “paranoid” – -they are “spot on” and YOU had better open your eyes (and mind) a LOT wider!
        Sure,women have the “right to choose how they manage their own bodies” – -they might start by KEEPING THEIR LEGS TOGETHER!  Just in case you are NOT aware – -abortion IS MURDER- – that IS God’s creation that’s being, wantonly, “murdered”!
        The Church didn’t “condemn the nazis aloud”, instead they helped Christians and Jews alike, to escape the slaughter; many priests, nuns and lay-people were, themselves, murdered by the reich, for their efforts!
         I have NO idea how “old” you might be, but it might be to your own “benefit” if you go back and study some “real” world history – -not something that’s been re-written and re-designed by some liberal/progressive lunatic!

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  9. keithComment by keith
    January 30, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

    When the Catholic Church stops playing politics and actually puts its excommunication where its mouth is then I’ll believe this drivel. Sadly the Church and other denominations have ignored and tolerated their members to stand for issues that run counter to being a member of their church.
    How long did Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi and countless other “Politicians”  promote abortions, gay rights, etc despite of their own personal faith under the guise they have to represent everyone… how hypocritical! Even more so, was the Church giving Communion to these people. The only weapon any Church or Community has is being a member or denying membership. Time to stand by your values and actually excommunicate all who vote for pro choice, gay marriage, etc. Otherwise you quietly accept the consequences of standing aside when your faith dictates otherwise.
    I’m a Protestant and I left my own Church because they accepted Gay Ministers… I made my stand with my feet and if that Church loses enough members it will cease to be anything more than a “club” which it should be if it ignores its Moral obligations to both God and its faithful.
    If you want to declare a “war” against the unrighteous and religious bigots then do it with the one weapon you have.. excommunication.. Obviously Obama isn’t a Catholic and frankly not a member of any “real religion” but many of his protractors are Catholics, Jews or Protestants and they need to lose the rubber stamp of their faith and stop campaigning as a staunch member of their church when in fact they are doing nothing less then destroying their churches through incremental destruction.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

      A lot of denominations have been caving to the gay agenda. I was raised in the Methodist church, but I now attend a non-denominational church. The Methodist church may not have ordained openly gay bishops yet like the Episcopals, but I don’t think it is that far away from happening.

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    • enolagayComment by enolagay
      January 30, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

      You’re so right; I am Roman Catholic but do not attend a modernist church; the true Roman Catholic Church  I attend considers everything since Vatican II to be heresy–and those in the Vatican are heretics too.  Look at all the destruction that has occurred since Vatican II and the corruption of the family and culture. 

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    • snowhawkComment by snowhawk
      February 13, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

       
      No church in today’s world is going to throw out those with the sort of money, an power to help the cause, a politician has at hand. Especially the Catholic Church. The time has long passed when churches were about anything other then the money. Like it or not that is just simple fact. You may however learn this truth by pushing the issue through your priest.

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  10. progiComment by progi
    January 30, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

    What a lot of nonsense you write! All the administration said was if you are an employer your insurance must pay for for certain contraceptives.  Direct church and parish employees are exempted while other institutions such as Catholic Charities, Catholic hospitals and schools will be required to meet the mandate. Moslems have the same restrictions and the same exemptions. As do Hindus, Orthodox Jews and Wiccans! 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women have used contraception and 77 percent of Catholic women voters said birth control should be covered as preventive health care without any out-of-pocket costs (Survey by Hart Research Associates).  The Church thinks sex should be a sacament, purely  for conception purposes.  This is neither realistic nor natural. If the Church wants to stop abortion, it should encourage birth control, not condemn it. And for God’s sake, stop saying Obama is a Moslem, or an alien, or the devil.  You just sound foolish.

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    • tomalotComment by tomalot
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

      You are 100% wrong.  The whole reason for the uproar is that no Catholic organization (hospital, church, or school) meets the narrow definition excemption criteria.  To meet the excemption, 100% of employees must be Catholic, 100% of those being treated must be Catholic, and the institutions primary purpose must be to promote their religion.  No Catholic organization would be able to treat non-Catholic patients, teach non-Catholic students, employ non-Catholics, unless they provide for abortion, sterilation, and contraception. 

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    • roosterComment by rooster
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

      You are correct: Obama is not a Moslem.
       
      But, by his own admission—that means he made the claim for himself in his own words—he is a Muslim. Born, raised and educated as a Muslim. Pull your head out occasionally and look around. It’s not rocket science.
       
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

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    • OutspokenComment by Outspoken
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

      YOU ARE WRONG    MOOOSLIMS ARE EXEMPT FROM OBAMACARE WHICH MEANS THEY DON’T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THESE MANDATES !   idiot

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      January 30, 2012 @ 6:45 pm

      Well, progi, (I guss that’s short for progressive), I guss this baby Obummer duck, who says his mama and pappa raised him as a duck, in a duck colony, and this Obummer duck has webbed feet and feathers, and says Quack quack like a duck, therefore,  He’s not a Muslim.

      How’s that for progressive reasoning for ya, bunky.

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      January 30, 2012 @ 8:26 pm

      progi -  how ignorant you have shown yourself to be.    True – bho did say “employer, but keep in mind there are hunbdreds of thousands of people who are EMPLOYEES of various church and religious organizations.  Even churches EMPLOY many people – according to the size of the church, membership, etc.  Therefore, all such EMPLOYERS are required to provide the service (abortion on demand) or face serious repercussions.  The only exceptions that I have heard are granted to Muslims.

      Talk about sounding foolish.  Your defense of obympkin makes YOU saound like a brain-wash3ed stooge.

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    • snowhawkComment by snowhawk
      February 13, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

       
      Progi: These people aren’t interested in the truth. These people suffer the sort of level of intelligence inherent in the followers of Jim Jones.

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  11. JDZComment by JDZ
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

    This issue is just another example of the dictorial nature of Obama and his CZARs and their total disregard for this country and our tradition and laws. These people are extremely dangerous and the public just sees the tip of the iceberg from time to time when they do something that gets some press exposure. Everyone who loves this country should be afraid of Obama and where he is attempting to take this country, but, there are just too many who would rather stick their heads in the sand and ignore what is happening. Maybe now, some of the Catholics will wake up and help vote Obama out in November.

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  12. dasgeissComment by dasgeiss
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

    Obama has never been vetted and for my money is a fraud!  He was planted on the American people by powerful socialist/communist people who want to tear down this country and rebuild it into a communist society.   It is no wonder therefore that he is an enemy of the Catholic church or christianity specifically.  One cannot owe allegiance to God and to the State according to them.

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  13. moonshineComment by moonshine
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

    I am very proud of the Catholic Church for taking a stand and drawing a line in the sand. Its time we stood up to this narcissistic tyrant and not allow him to compromise our religious beliefs. He is a black Muslim like his farther, and abhors Christianity. Certainly he would not treat Muslims as he has treated Christians, and Christian institutions. He prays with the Muslims, not with the Christians.
    Catholics were truly brain dead to support him in 2008, and hopefully they won’t make the same mistake in 2012. If they do, then they deserve what they get in return.

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  14. dasgeissComment by dasgeiss
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

    Obama should not be allowed to run for president without a full vetting or else this election is a fraud and farce!

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

      It will be interesting dasgeiss, just how, Georgia’s attempt to VET the legitimacy of Obama’s running for President in that State.  So far, he has failed with his lawyer to dismiss and wave off the Georgia scrutiny and has resorted to now, just ignoring the State, as, like I said, as if it is just some Shire of The Crown.
       
      The Republic is in a Constitutional crisis, and BOTH Political Parties have allowed it to happen per this situation of Obama.  It is not on par with the 1860′s but it does illustrate how The Federal Government, from the 1860′s, has relegated The States, into near meaningless entities, and WE THE PEOPLE, as mere SUBJECTS.  Obama has inadvertently, done much to show what is really behind the curtains.

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    • endoscopyComment by endoscopy
      January 30, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

      The bigger the government the smaller the person.
       
      Obama has made the government larger than any time previously.  He has increased the government by 25% at present and will grow larger when the Obama care is in place.

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

      Dear endoscopy: (interesting user name ;)
      The government (budget) grows every year like the population and just about everything else. Would you claim Obama deserves credit for more Americans than ever? So… it’s bigger every year no matter who the president is. One needs to look at rates of growth. The department of commerce provides this data for free and most universities will have it on hand in their econ departments. You can look back at every year since WWII (and longer). The rate of government growth last year was the 2nd or 3rd smallest since WWII! Overall, only Clinton had smaller rates (and I attribute that to the Republican congress) of growth than Obama (since 1981). Reagan had about the highest, followed by Bush I, then Bush II, then Obama. Also, the tax burden is the lowest since 1958. Whatever causes people want to assign to these facts, they still appear to be the facts. So your original statement doesn’t really convey anything very meaningful. 

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  15. celticwaryorComment by celticwaryor
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

    Hey Administrator.  Why is it that when you have a comment that has a 5/5 rating for X number of votes, and when I rate the comment a 5 stars, the average goes from X+1 DOWN to 4.5 or 4.4?  The math doesn’t quite add right.

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  16. thedoveComment by thedove
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

    I wonder how long it will take for the administration to threaten to take away the church’s tax-free status, and other exemptions, for taking a political position.  I think that’s only allowed if your name is Wright, and Obama attends your services.

    Actually, abortion and birth control aren’t even the issue, here.  The real issue is whether or not the federal government can force members and officials of any religion to do something that religion forbids.  What that “something” is, specifically, is of no import whatsoever.  The First Amendment is quite clear: “… or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”.  If you must violate a teaching of your religion on government dictate, you are not being permitted to freely exercise your religion.

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    • progiComment by progi
      January 30, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

      So, thedove, poligamy should be allowed, marriage to 12 year old girls, “honor” killings, animal sacrifice etc., etc., you get the idea, are allowable under the First? They’re somebody’s religion.

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  17. geraldbComment by geraldb
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

    It is not only Catholics but also Baptists and all other people of faith who need to remember that the Obama administration is not our friend. He is more anti-Christian than any other preside4nt in modern time. Don’t trust him and certainly don’t vote for him.

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  18. tom54Comment by tom54
    January 30, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

    The Church should have seen this coming with the rise of “Liberation Theology” (Marxism) among the clergy in Latin America. However, happily, it is never too late to repent and join with God in the struggle against the way of no-faith. Welcome back to the fold, Catholics! I do not share your denomination, but that’s trivial when what, and Who, unites us is so much greater than relatively minor disputes over creed and polity.

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  19. moonshineComment by moonshine
    January 30, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

    Lin, you are are way off base. Would you prefer to support a Mormon, who believes that God and Satan are brothers; or a Muslim who hates Christians and doesn’t believe in God at all. No one is prefect, and we have to select someone who will restore our constitutional principles and core values. Barry and George Soros (his evil benefactor) are determined to destroy our country, and turn it into a bankrupt Socialist utopia, without personal liberty or freedoms. Is this what you want?
    Newt at this point is our best shot.

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    • linfComment by lin
      January 30, 2012 @ 8:06 pm

      Not that it’s particularly relevant to this discussion, but I support Santorum because I won’t let the media convince me this is a two-man race.  I’ll ignore your denigrating remarks toward Mormans and also your positively Gingrich-esque setting up a patently false lesser-of-two-evils argument to support the answer you want to hear.  And I’ll stay firmly planted on my base, thanks; it’s called ‘principles and reality’ which I understand is a place Gingrich doesn’t know much about.

      Newt is not only not our best shot, he is, in fact, our very worst shot according to all national head-to-head match ups with Obama where Newt loses and loses big.  Also, Newt’s favorability rating is much lower than Obama’s, and this is before the national ad campaign highlighting Newt’s life, including cheating on then leaving two wives who were battling a serious health crisis at the time; Jackie, uterine cancer and Marianne, multiple sclerosis.  Coming to a DNC ad near you:  “He betrayed two wives, he’ll betray you too.”  And that will be one of the milder ads.  No doubt, if nominated, there will be an immediate investigation of Newt’s lobbying activities, because that is strictly regulated and he never registered.  And I don’t think Holder will buy that Newt was a “historian” paid $1.6 million by Freddie Mac.

      And since when has Newt been about constitutional values?  Oh yeah, since he started running for president and any other time it was politically expedient to make that claim.  Kind of like now claiming to have supported Goldwater but in fact was a chair in the Rockefeller campaign.  Funny way to show support…  but at least he’s consistent about being a liar.  Newt voted for the Dept. of Education, the Endangered Species Act, and on and on with the big government liberal programs and resisted all attempts to reform them.  But one should expect that and more from a self-described ”re’al politique Wilsonian” and “La Follette Progressive” whose favorite president is Mr. New Deal, FDR.

      Newt took in $1.6 million from Freddie Mac, supported the individual mandate until recently, (and all the while taking millions from health care companies that stood to benefit), and, well, I think Pat Buchannan said it best last weekend when he said that in the Reagan Whitehouse, Gingrich was viewed as a political opportunist, not to be trusted; kinda like what George H.W., you know, Reagan’s V.P., said about him in a nicer way.  Tom Coburn said Newt, “drained the lifeblood from the Republican Revolution”? 

      I’m no fan of Romney but there is a reason the DNC and the unions are running ads against him in primary states.  The SEIU spent a million in Florida alone.  And that reason isn’t because they’re scared of Newt.  So, in my opinion, backed up by all polling and most of the people that ever worked with Gingrich, a vote for Gingrich in the primary is likely a vote for Romney because it is not a vote for Santorum; and actually nominating that cad will likely ensure Obama’s relection.  Intrade shows Newt’s chances at 3.9% last time I looked, a few days ago.  Probably lower now. 

      I can tell you from the research I’ve done on all of the candidates that none of them are perfect; they’ve all got some things I truly dislike.  But none of the others had whole mountains of obvious, in-your-face, destined-to-lose baggage, like Gingrich.  And he hadn’t even started talking about spending tax money on colonizing the moon when I did this.  Be quite certain the democrats have found all of his skeletons.  Here are a fraction:

      http://www.newtcantwin.com

      Only a hypocrite could support Gingrich while decrying the moral decay of our society.    

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      January 30, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

      moonshine – you had me saying AMEN until your remark about Newt.  Do you realize he refuses to answer when asked about his theory concerning the Constitution and refuses to comment when asked if he supports the 2nd Amendment. He sounds like Obama Jr when talking about dealing with illegal immigrants.  He embraces global warming “crosses the aisle” at least as often as McCrummy.  His personal peccadilloes are less troublimng to me than his refusal to say much more that he is “THE ONE” (where the heck have we heard that?).

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    • bigtComment by bigt
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:33 am

       
      Moonshine — you said, “a Muslim who hates Christians and doesn’t believe in God”. So… he both a Muslim and an atheist? Or do you think Muslims are atheists? With logic like that you could get a job in field somewhere. A few facts: Obama is a member of the First Church of Christ, like President John Adams was. Why can’t you believe him? You want to believe the nonsense you’re promulgating because you want to hate him because he’s different than you and he’s black. Most of the people commenting on this website seem to think that anyone with a different point of view has no right to exist, no right to have those ideas in America, even though they are Americans too. That’s a very totalitarian attitude. Virtually every claim on this website is an unsubstantiated, paranoid fantasy from the minds of talk radio fools. You think you have a right to believe whatever you want, but liberals don’t. The Left must be exterminated I guess, or run out of the country, or silenced. Your real enemy is democracy (oh yeah, and logic too).

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    • snowhawkComment by snowhawk
      January 31, 2012 @ 6:09 pm

       
      Why do you people bother to reply? This is a perfect example of Ron White’s “There Ain’t No Pill For Stupid” . Sunshine do yourself a favor and find yourself a good deprogramer. Someone’s done a real wash job on you.

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    • linfComment by lin
      January 31, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

      snohawk:  lol and you are sooo right.  I try to make time to reply to because some are not paid or volunteer operatives; some are just regular people who are writing what they believe because they haven’t had the time to do the research.  I also try to combat fiction with fact because otherwise, well, you know that old saying:  A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.  And just for you…  an oldie but a goodie…  kinda shows exactly who Gingrich is in just one minute and to the tune of Old MacDonald! 

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j61ZmjfrhVM

      Only a hypocrite could support Gingrich while decrying the moral decay of our society.   

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  20. pouperyComment by poupery
    January 30, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

    The thinking that Obama care was a cover to enforce population control is absolutly insane.  Obama care was made to try and make health care cheaper for america. Religion has no issue in this debate.  Obama care is bad medicine it’s bad practice. It’s a terrible law but not for religous reasons.  It makes health care more expensive.  It’s not trying to force population control.  What it would do actually would decrease the population by making it so people can’t afford health care but be forced to buy it.  Bad law.  But has nothing to do with religion.  Anyone who thinks so needs to get there head out the sand and wake up and actually look at reality.  

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  21. eaglefishComment by eaglefish
    January 30, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

    It is about time! Where has the Catholic Church been all of these years, er, centuries! Now that this law strikes at the heart of the Catholic Church they jump in. I hope they really are going to fight against the government. But, what can we expect when a nation abandons God! This nation is in BIG trouble and it is God’s anger that is upon us! Better wake up people.

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  22. pouperyComment by poupery
    January 30, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

    Putting Obama and marxist in the same catagory is just plane stupid.  Marxism is more an economic policy not a social one.  To think communisim will ever come to pass in america is absolutly stupid.  We have a monatary economic system for god sakes.  You don’t get farther away from communism than a dam monatery system.  Monatery system is the 20′th century version of capitalism.  There is almost no interferance in the market what so ever.  Our constituition does give Obama the right to pass this health care law.  It needs to be repealed because it’s bad medicene

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      January 30, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

      poupery – you are absolutely correct that obamacare is a bad law.  However, you missed one vital point.  The center of this discussion is bozo’s dictum (just one part of this egregious law) that ALL employers, without regard for religious affiliation, MUST provide abortion on demand.  That violates the 1st Amendment – as if that mattered to the prez or his minions.

      However, you are misguided in  declaring “Our constituition does give Obama the right to pass this health care law”.  The SCOTUS has yet to hear or rule on this.  A majority of Americans (according to various polls, some 84%) do not agree with you.

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  23. pouperyComment by poupery
    January 30, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

    God’s anger is not upon us.  You need to get your head out of the sand. God had nothing to do with the situation were in.  We did this to ourselves. No god had anything to do it.  we made our own choices we elected obama we elected bush. we elected reagan.  NOT GOD.  Christianity isn’t under attack.  If it is.  adjust your beliefs so they fall in line with science. AMERICA BEFORE GOD.

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  24. SamCComment by SamC
    January 30, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

    Keith, I agree with you.  And everyone, please remember it was not ony Catholics who elected Obama. 

    We ALL interpret the Bible according to our beliefs, but there is only ONE way to interpret the Ten Commandments.  I don’t believe God cares what “denomimation” we call ourselves.  If we follow the commandments as written, it is my belief we will be alright.

    As for Obama, God will decide what his rewards are……good or bad.  In the meantime, we need to get him out of any office.  I believe he would be happier back where he came from and take his wife with him.  However, that is just what I think.  What I KNOW is that God will deal with him one day, just as He will deal with each of us.   

    I don’t believe “bashing” is doing us any good.  Christians need to stand together……..all of us……….including Catholics.
      

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      January 30, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

      SamC – you are right and thanks for the reminder.  Some 80% of Jews and Jewish organizations supported for bho.  Some 90+% of blacks voted for him. On-&-On!  They all expected to reap a bunch of goodies, but – like the child who had been bad – all they got was chunks of coal in their stockings.  Now the demicraps are basically ignoring those groups and concentrating in getting voting priviliges for illegal immigrants and the Hispanic population.

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  25. ginnyleaveComment by ginnyleave
    January 30, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

    Maybe the Catholic Church has been weak or just plain wrong in the past. Many people, as well as church bodies have.

    Now, with the Obama administration leaving no room for doubt about the plan of their path of destruction, the Church is standing up.

     All churches across America had best stand up, and fight back.  Get up and get moving, and don’t back down.  

    “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”   We had all best sow seeds of truth, hold to our convictions, and leave politics out of it.  No room for concession or for looking the other way.

     

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      January 31, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

      ginnyleave, you are right.  I am glad to see the Catholic Church standing up and saying “enough”.

      You are correct in saying that all Churches should be saying “enough.”  Sorry to say, many Churches have given in to secular progressive ideas and concepts.  Their excuses are, that this is the 21st cent, and we have to modernize the Church, to be more acceptable to “modern” society.

      The Churches and Synagogues that are allowing this to occur, are walking down the path, to their eventual decay and destruction.

      Any active Church or Synagogue member who votes to reelect the Obamination in the White House is in fact, cortributing to their Church’s or Synagogue’s eventual demise.

      The first order and goal of a Communist takeover, is the destruction of the Church.  It looks like Obummer and his gang of Commies, are well along with their plans.

      The other Churches better wake up, before it’s too late.

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