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Patton: If I Only Had a Heart

By Doug Patton

"When a man's an empty kettle, he should be on his mettle, and yet I'm torn apart;
just because I'm presumin', that I could be kinda human, if I only had a heart." - Tin Man, from The Wizard of Oz

Politically speaking, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has just loaded his double-barrel, 12-gauge shotgun, aimed it squarely at the American people — and shot himself right in the foot. Of all the dumb things Perry could have said during last week's Republican debate, his statement regarding in-state tuition for the children of illegal aliens was as tone deaf as anything I have heard come out of the mouth of President Barack Obama.

"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there through no fault of their own," Perry said, "I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society."

I hate to break it to the good governor, but they have been a drag on our society since the day their parents decided to break our laws and bring them, and themselves, across our border. I will even go a step further and opine that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum got it wrong when he said to Perry during the debate, "No one is saying that they (illegals) can't attend our colleges and universities, but we don't need to subsidize them."

I, for one, am saying exactly that: illegals should not be allowed to attend our schools, be they secondary or post-secondary. Those institutions should be there to educate American children first, followed by those who have complied with our laws and entered our country legally. If we can agree that illegals should be denied jobs and welfare benefits, why should it be such an outrageous proposition to say that they should be denied a public education?

And simply because a pregnant woman makes it across our border before delivering her child, that child should not automatically be an American citizen, as is now the case.

Remember the old saying, "Don't kill the goose that laid the golden egg"? Well, America's largesse as a nation is the golden egg and millions of illegal aliens breaking into our country are killing, cooking and eating the goose.

Perry's debate performances so far have been lackluster at best and embarrassing at worst, with the quality of his answers deteriorating with each showing. While he has been gutsy and consistent concerning Social Security being a Ponzi Scheme, he has flip-flopped on the matter of states' right versus federal power. An example is the issue of same sex marriage. Perry first said that it was a matter for the states to decide; later, he began advocating for a Constitutional Amendment in support of traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

He has doubled down on his insistence that his forced HPV inoculation of 12-year-old girls was the right policy simply implemented in the wrong way. Perhaps worst of all, Perry's reply to Michele Bachmann's accusation of corruption was weak: "I raised $30 million in campaign funds (for governor), so if you are implying that I can be bought for five thousand, then I'm offended." When I heard that statement, I remember thinking, So, then, what is your price?

While it is still early in this election season, and much can happen between now and the first caucuses and primaries, Perry may well have cost himself the GOP presidential nomination with his one inane comment about illegal immigration. It is never politically smart to impugn the motives of one's own supporters by telling them that if they disagree with you, they have no heart.

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Doug Patton describes himself as a recovering political speechwriter who agrees with himself much more often than not. Now working as a freelance writer, his weekly columns of sage political analysis are published the world over by legions of discerning bloggers, courageous webmasters and open-minded newspaper editors. Astute supporters and inane detractors alike are encouraged to e-mail him with their pithy comments at dougpatton@cox.net.


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  1. inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
    September 26, 2011 @ 7:44 am

     
    Right on Doug, Let Obama and HIS minions manipulate the public with “Mr. Feel Good” garbage that edifies the failures and children of Society, which in the end just gives us a society run by failures and children in adult bodies. I am tired of worshipping at the altar of maturation postponement which runs rampant in the ranks of the Liberals who stay in School as long as they can on the Public taxpayer expense, then unleash their heart throbbing child worship upon the public when they get out.
     
    It is high past time we stop feeding the children more candy at the public expense which only serves to debilitate them into more socialist diabetic fits of insanity. Just when did America forget that it is the Job of Parents and the job of adults to raise adults, NOT children Liberal democrat voters? We already have 47% of them who would rather play than pay their fair share of income tax as they cry and rattle the economy with the venom of their rattlesnake bit Liberal insanity.
     
    It is time for DISCIPLINE not enablement. The Latin derivative of the word means to teach, learn not punish. But can anyone doubt that these fools who have destroyed America need a sound spanking at the Polls? Take off you slippers; put on your running shoes and out run the crippled kids in Liberal Wheels chairs who want to cripple US all as well.
     
    We have put foxes in charge of guarding the Washington henhouse who have eaten the American goose that lays our economic and moral golden eggs. Now it is our goose that is cooked. It is time to let slip the dogs of political war and go on a fox hunt.
     
    Whenever a socailist run government trys to get into the business of mercy which belongs to the church, and ignores the job of justice for which it was designed, we end up with no justice in the form of legal theft and wealth redistribution, and no mercy in the enablement of the worst of our childish insticnts to remain dependent. Those who flirt with the insanity of Liberal Socialism not only end up with an empty chest economically and morally, but like the straw men they are have not a brain as well.
     

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:45 pm

      Perry keeps babbling about creating jobs in  Texas – especially in the government sector. It is dang time to call him out on that.  Sure, he has been able to increase state jobs, especially in highway and other construction, BUT THE PRIMARY BENEFICIARIES OF THOSE JOBS ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Since illegals can be hired at far below Federal minimum, salaries are driven down until most Texas citizens can’t survive and go elsewhere.

      Heard all the political rhetori about Texas being near the top of the list of states with number of people earning “below poverty” wages?  Now you know why – Perry’s illegal immigrants. Heard the political rhetoric accusing Perry of having a high number of uninsured children (no medical). Well, doggone, it is true.  Illegal immigrants don’t need no sticking medical insurance for themselves or their children.  If they get sick or just don’t feel well, they simply use hospital emergency rooms. Wasn’t it under Clinton the Fed required “indigents” be treated “regardless of ability to pay” (notices posted in every emergency room.  Don’t believe me????  Go visit any emergency room after 7 pm.  War a coat or cap with ICE on it and watch how fast the emergency room empties.

      Perry campaigns as if he is a charter member of the Tea Party. However, during the 2010 election cycle Perry accused TeaPartiers of being “unelectable” because they are “too conservative” and were incapable of dealing in “modern politics”.

      To top everything else, Perry criticised OK & AZ for passing anti-illegals legislation requiring E-Verify type procedures.  hen he bald-faced claims “Texas doesn’t need a fence. We KNOW how to make border security work.”  Yeah, for the border crashers.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 5:11 pm

      Huh?  Goose that lays our golden economic and moral golden eggs!  Fifty-eight votes for this babble.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:35 pm

      I’ll return the favor and give Tellitlikeitis, one star for at least showing up, which is all Progressive Socialist wealth redistributing liberally insane Democrats think they are required to do to get a piece of the American dream.,,,,,Just show up, no cogent effort, no brains needed to apply. You are indeed a fine specimen of why this country is failing. Let me guess, your father abandoned you and your mother who raised you was on welfare. Your avatar tells it all.

      One vote for your pâté de foie gras ground Liberal Goose Liver Brain

      Stick around and learn something. The education you will receive on this site is worth more than our taxes we pay to put you through school on the government dole.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:17 pm

      Iluminatuo:

      What a joke, my avatar says it all.  If I’m not mistaken you avatar is Clint Eastwood!  My father abandoned me and my mother was on welfare!  Whoa you sure are showing your colors!  Apparently anyone who criticises you gets the whole 9 yards.  “Liberal goose liver brain, oh, please, grow up!  You’re not as educated as you claim judging from your ridiculous babble called comments.  Your obviously not a good christian either as some of your remarks to other people surely show.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:45 pm

      Let me guess tellit2someonewhocares.  You’re a liberal?

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:55 pm

      No I’m not a liberal, I just don’t like your kind of so-called Christianity! Phony! I’ve never insulted as many people in my life like I’ve read here.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

      I should have known, even the liberals have their standards!

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:11 pm

      Some of the people on this site are more of a liberal than you claim I am.  I’m a Republican conservative that does not go to the extreme right.  You can believe whatever you chose to believe, personally I don’t care. I chose this avatar because Obama is half devil while pretending to be good. I’d say that many of you on this site are the same.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      September 27, 2011 @ 7:04 am

       
      You TELLITLIKEITISNOT, which in the Christian vernacular means you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Ahhhh yes, the Lord makes the rain to fall upon the Conservatives as well as the Liberals, But you Liberals forget that come harvest time, the wheat is taken into the barn but the weeds and the chaff are thrown into the fire. God is indeed the God of Love but he is also the God of Justice. He who is ALL can be no other.

      You ” If I only had a heart” Liberals HAVE to live off your feelings because that is all you have to offer. You forget the COurage of the Lion or the productivity of the Brain. Forget your feelings and seek rather the truths and you may leave this world a better place for having known you.
       
      You should be paying us for what you are about to learn on this site. Stick around and grow a soul and a brain as well strawman.
       

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  2. mightyjinComment by mightyjin
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:12 am

    The timeline in this arguement is an important component of the debate; let’s all agree first of all that when a person comes here illegally, they have broken our laws.  Beyond that point the rest is moot.  No matter the humanitarian reason, rationale or compelling argument, they are here and have CHOSEN to break our laws; they have therefore forfeited any rights (and benefits) they may have as US citizens.  We need strong leadership on this issue, not systematic failure to enforce our laws!  GOD BLESS AMERICA! 

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  3. newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:21 am

    I totally agree!  “You don’t have a heart,” will more than likely destroy Governor Perry’s chances for the nomination.  It’s a pity that he could not have phrased it differently or explained to the American people that what he did in Texas, is not what he plans to do on a national level.

    There’s no denying that Texas, along with other southern states have a terrible problem with the influx of illegals and drug dealers, and the government’s unwillingness to help many of these states have proven disastrous for those that govern.  We all see what happened in Arizona when Governor Jan Brewer tried to correct the situation by clamping down on illegals — the end result was the administration sued the state and is continuing to this day to fight for the rights of illegals not the governor, nor the people. 

    Governor Perry should have continued to hammer the fact home that he tried many times unsuccessfully to gain the help of the Obama administration and was totally rebuffed, the same as Governor Brewer, and that in the course of his frustration he made some bad decisions.  Unfortunately the matter of the “heart” has probably done him in, or so it seems.

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    • FlaJimComment by FlaJim
      September 26, 2011 @ 1:14 pm

      Agreed.  Perry has fatally shot himself with his squishy attitude towards illegals.  He could have danced around the HPV vaccination as a well intentioned but poorly executed decision but conservatives have very strong convictions on illegal immigrants.  Basically, it comes down to, “What part of ‘illegal’ do you not understand?”

      We’re fighting for our very survival as our institutions such as national identity and cohesiveness are challenged at every turn.  A bunch of foreigners, regardless of how well educated, will not aid us.  Their loyalties lie elsewhere.

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:51 pm

      I don’t know what kind of idiot you are, but “poor Perry” should have eplied in a better was?????  Then he would not have been Perry.  His whole administration has been rocked by one scandal after another giving preferential treatment to Latinos of Texas citizens. Yet Texas fools keep electing him. You finally got Perry right when you wrote “the end result was the administration sued the state and is continuing to this day to fight for the rights of illegals not the governor, nor the people”. 

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      September 26, 2011 @ 5:33 pm

      DavnKatz

      I’m far from being an idiot, nor was I suggesting that “poor Perry” should deserve sympathy.  It was a simplistic statement suggesting that if his remark had been phrased differently he might still be electable.  Anyone who reads any of my comments can confirm that I am not pro-illegal but unfortunately your brutality overrides your civility, hence, the name calling which indicates your juvenile orientation.

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  4. jb80538Comment by jb80538
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:47 am

    Children if illegals have no right to an education in the US at any level. These folks just need to be sent packing with hteir parents back to where they belong and that isn’t the US. We have plenty of legal immigrants and don’t need the illegals.

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  5. pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:50 am

    The federal government already mandates that we provide education for these children without providing federal dollars to undertake that task. These kids come here unable to speak English so they require an extra bilingual teacher to help them with their classwork. They drag down our test scores, making Texas look like it is doing a terrible job educating our children. They are a huge financial drain on the local and state resources. Our school funding system keeps getting drug back in the courts when the state tries to help our border towns by taking money away from other cities in Texas. The school district I live in is considered “rich” and as such has to take money away from our kids to educate these illegal alien children in the border towns. Our property taxes have to be increased by selling bonds in order to keep any money in our district for capital improvements. I am sick to death of being forced to subsidize lawbreakers and their children at the expense of my own children’s education. I was thoroughly disgusted when I found out we were giving them in-state tuition rates and even some forms of financial aid. Let them go home and come back through legal pathways.

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:55 am

      Having worked in these areas I can tell you that it’s not just the children from the illegals that drag down test scores and can’t speak or write English.  We have plenty of legal Hispanic children who fit this same picture.  What do we do with them? 

      I agree that this makes our schools look bad.  I also know that many of our legal residents that are of this culture do not make it further than the 9th grade.  Removing the illegal children would help.  No doubt, but our problems are deeper than people think they are.  

         

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      September 26, 2011 @ 2:03 pm

      RobertR,

      Baloney.  The children of illegals are seriously dragging down our educational system.  Not just in Texas, but everywhere there is a school age illegal population to educate.  

      As far as those “legal Hispanic” children you are talking about, In my opinion, most of them are illegal as well.  Just because a pregnant Mexican woman, crawls under the border fence, grunting from her contractions, and then, drops her baby on US soil, doesn’t entitle that kid to a free or reduced tuition, college education.  

       
      I have never met an illegal Latino that did not love their mother country.  If we screen them out of jobs, nationally, (Save Act) deny them welfare payments and all other but emergency life saving medical care, Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, housing subsidies, food stamps and all the rest of the myriad of entitlement programs, that they are not entitled to,  they will have nothing to stay here for. 

      They will then start putting one foot in front of the other, headed south, back to their own countries.  They will self-deport by the hundreds of thousands, taking their children, American or not, with them.

      That’s the last thing Obummer wants.  Every one of those self deporting illegals, is an Obummer vote, lost. Of course, Obummer won’t cooperate and enforce our immigration laws.

      My question to Rick Perry is:  If you tried so hard to to remove illegals in Texas, to no avail, because of lack of cooperation of the Feds, then why, have you not stated, unequivocally, that if elected president, you would immediately change all that, and see to it that our federal emmigration laws are strictly enforced?  That you would deny any college tuition, in-state or not, to any illegal, barring them from all colleges and Universities. 

      That you are in favor of the Federal Save Act, (bill now in congress) to help  the almost twenty million unemployed AMERICANS, find jobs.

      Perry’s silence on these matters is deafining.

       

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    • mrcaveComment by mrcave
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:28 pm

      “The federal government already mandates that we provide education for these children without providing federal dollars to undertake that task.”

      I would say that, in fact, there are no such things as FEDERAL DOLLARS! Every dollar the government gives the states, came from someones wallet. Unless you get Ben Bernanke to print some new ones.

      Other than that, you are spot on.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

      What about Mr. Obama’s stash? ;-) 

      You got me there mrcave. Federal education dollars, like state education dollars, are just money taken from one group and given to another. Just get rid of the stinking mandate. Those of us in border states suffer the most from idiotic feel-good laws like that.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:05 pm

      All right, goatlady! (to the post at 9:50 AM) I’m not posting anything really lengthy today, mostly just approving and disapproving others’ posts since I can’t really say anything more than I’ve already said or that hasn’t been said by somebody else.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 5:49 pm

      truthteller:

      Some of you guys are worse than liberals!  Hypocrites!  You seem to hate Perry with a passion and yet you criticise liberals for the same thing concerning conservatives.  I’m new to this site and I thought some of you guys would be a lot more civil than I’ve seen on other forums.  Guess not, but some of you would be great on the Huffington Post.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 5:57 pm

      Tellitlikitis:

      I don’t think anyone here “hates” Perry. Most of us here just don’t agree with what he says and does about illegal immigration. If that makes us like liberals in your mind, then maybe this isn’t the right site for you. You’ve missed the whole point of this thread.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:03 pm

      LaPhil:

      Really!  I’ve missed the whole point of this thread!  Well you could have fooled me, as the hatred for Perry is quite evident in my eyes.

      BTW I’ll be the judge of what site I intend to visit and stay away from, not you.

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:13 pm

      Amen TXGLady.  I’ve lived and worked in Plano, Garland, Ft. Worth and McAllen, had kids in school in McAllen and had several friends and acquaintances who are teachers in the Valley.  Everything you say is a fact.

      T.J.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

      Tellitlikitis:

      Your vision is pretty questionable at this point. Hey, far be it from me to discourage you from visiting this site. I’m sure you’ll be welcomed with open arms once we have a chance to appreciate the insight and intelligence which you seem to be hiding so well.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:21 pm

      Criticism does not determine anyone’s intelligence, and I doubt if you would ever admit that anyone besides yourself could have any brains.

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    • iceman44Comment by iceman44
      September 26, 2011 @ 8:33 pm

      Txgoatlady, usually I agree 100% with you, but I say, “Let them go Home, and STAY THERE,” not “come back through legal Pathways.”  They’ve broken our Laws once by coming here illegally, so what makes you think they’ll not break other American Laws???

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  6. scotpondComment by scotpond
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:53 am

    Hey Doug! Why don’t we start a fundraiser right now to line up buses and planes and load up all these kids and ship them out ASAP? Can we send them over to your neighborhood to keep an eye on them while we finish up the deportations? Make sure we don’t ship out kids who can read and add and could do well enough in school to qualify for admission to college.

    Kind of like Bachman’s approach to EPA – go in, turn out the lights, lock the door on the way out and don’t look back. (You wouldn’t want to see some repercussions that affect your drinking water/air/health) 

    I’d like to know what percentage on these blogs have made it thru college. Can we take a pole? Obama was a dictator getting health care reform approved by Congress BUT she could go in as pres and with a single stroke, shut down EPA and terminate enforcement of all the laws and regs they enforce. Hail to dictatorships!

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    • Comment by LuLu
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:09 am

      I’d like to know what percentage on these blogs have made it thru college. Can we take a pole?

       
      Sure we can take a pole.  Would you prefer we use a 10′ pole or a 20′ pole when we ship your butt back to Daily Kos where it belongs?
       
      I suggest that you continue to pursue a basic education before you worry about what degrees are held by conservatives here.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:16 am

      Guess LuLu is offended by the question. I am suggesting that a lot of you do sound like a lot of the problem kids in our High Schools who barely make it thru or drop out for whatever reason.

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    • Comment by LuLu
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:22 am

      That’s what a liberal public education produces.  The word you wanted was poll, not pole. 

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:28 am

      YIKES! Pole instead of poll. Spellcheck can’t catch that mistake. Just goes to prove, we ain’t, none of us, perfect.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:37 am

      I happen to have a Bachelor’s Degree in Biology if it is any of your business. I also know the proper uses for the words poll and pole. Why don’t we ship these kids to your place and let you try and educate them on your own dime?

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:59 am

      Scott while I appreciate your attempt at humor you will find that most people would support shuttering the EPA!  They are truly a federal agency that has gone nuts with power.  The states have their own versions of the EPA and can do a fine job without the Federal government’s Hitler brigade. 

      Also using spell check can get you in trouble…. BTW it’s North Pole, not poll….

        

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      September 26, 2011 @ 12:43 pm

       
      ScrotPud is a trolling polling one star Democrat inspired Conservative website slammer. Ever notice how the IQ and star score drops whenever he arrives on the scene. If he hit the spell-check as fast as he slams the one star conservative ratings he uses to corrupt real logical arguments, he might make as loud a puerile response as when he hits the gas pedal in his impotent green car powered arguments and futile attempts to make one more liberal Progressive squeal.
       

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    • AMVoterComment by AMVoter
      September 26, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

      The Pond Scum returns to try for more worthless Obama dollars.

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    • brutus54Comment by brutus54
      September 26, 2011 @ 1:17 pm

       
      If you do not consider Obama and friends; cramming a horribly flawed bill, consisting of over two thousand pages, without debate or even being read and analyzed prior to the vote, down the throat of Congress, to be the very definition of dictatorship then I don’t think you understand the concept! As for your attempt at equating Michelle Bachman’s statement that as the Chief Executive of the United States she would shut down the EPA, as dictatorial, then you most certainly do not understand the Constitution or simply prefer to ignore it!

      As President the one undisputed power that any Chief Executive has is to shut down, or eliminate funding to, Offices of the Executive Branch! The EPA is an office under the purview of the Executive Branch and it therefore would be completely within her power, as President, to shut down the EPA or any other office of the Executive Branch! You and your big government buds may not like it, but it is not dictatorial it is CONSTITUTIONAL!

      By the way, your attempt at denigrating the veracity of my fellow conservatives, by implying that we are not well educated is typical liberal BOVINE EXCREMENT! For the record I have an Associates degree in Environmental Biology, a Baccalaureate in Physical Oceanography, a Baccalaureate in History, a Masters Degree in Physics, and a career of more than twenty years in the sciences to substantiate my education and intellectual competency! Further more your inference that education equates to intelligence is further proof of your own inadequacies. Some of the most ignorant people I have ever met had a PhD and conversely some of the most intelligent people I have known were self educated farmers and entrepreneurs.

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    • gilplynComment by gilplyn
      September 26, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

      I for one would be thrilled if we went in and shut down the EPA, along with both NEAs (Nat’l Endowment for the Arts and Nat’l Education Association), HHS, TSA, NLRB, and many other government agencies, too numerous to mention. When can we start?
      How exactly does shutting down a government agency create a dictatorship? The very definition of a dictatorship is someone who controls nearly everything. Closing down government programs indicates a release of control and therefore moves one farther away from a dictatorship. My college degree did not help me draw that conclusion. In my world we call that LOGIC and COMMON SENSE!

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      September 26, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      Hi LuLu,

      He/She’s baaak. (pond scum)

      Looks like someone left the troll door open again.  Remember what I said,  don’t feed the troll and it will leave on it’s own.

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    • iamacmanComment by iamacman
      September 26, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

      LuLu is not the only one offended by your seriously grammatically challenged comment.
      My God, man, can you not see the pathetic state that our country is in? Can you not realize the obvious causes: Obama’s policies, illegal immigration drain, useless and costly agencies run amuck?
      You really, REALLY need to get a clue…

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 26, 2011 @ 2:59 pm

      Lulu is just tenacious. I don’t think you can convince her not to argue with scotpond. All of us know he/she is a troll, including Lulu. We just can’t help but point out the idiocy in some of his/her comments. After all, what if a visitor came to our site and thought the scotpond represented all of us?

      And sometimes it is just plain fun to taunt the troll. Especially when he/she makes blatant grammatical errors while accusing people of being uneducated. The irony is simply too strong a pull.

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    • gthComment by gth
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

      In case some folks don’t know, quite often ‘interested parties’ will hire - SHILLS - to provoke replies from forum members.  For each reply to their provocation they are paid X amount of money, and might receive a bonus for replies in excess of X number of words.  So as long as often as you reply you’re feeding him, literally and figuratively.

      Remember when Trump flashed in the pan and some what’s his name showed up here in everybody face shilling for Trump?  Same thing here.

      Meanwhile, again, don’t forget the 1st rule of trying to argue/reason with a liberal:  DON’T. They’re not interested in a ‘meeting of the minds’.  They are truly masters at artful dodging.  You say something specific, they shift focus to respond in general.  You say something general and they’ll shift focus to reply in specifics.  When they’ve exhausted those tactics and you’re still standing (or awake) they’ll shift to your mental capacity deficiencies and/or your religion and/or your lineage and/or blah, blah-blah, blah-blah . . . ad nauseam.

      This – thing – is a shill.  Please don’t feed it.

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    • Comment by LuLu
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:36 pm

      That’s probably true, Goatlady. I think it is Scotpond’s arrogance that makes me pick on her, plus the fact that she is so easy. Even after giving her a choice of pole lengths she still didn’t get it. LOL
       
      I make plenty of typos and word substitutions myself, but I simply do not have the arrogance needed to assume that I am educated and everyone else is a dropout. I think you have to be a liberal to be that arrogant. 

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 5:54 pm

      Illuminatou:

      I’m not too sure what you said in that comment, sounds like a different language from a different planet.  Chances are you think all that stuff is cool, but does anyone know what you’re really saying.  “Gas pedal in his impotent green car powered arguments and futile attempts to make one more liberal Progressive squeal.”  What in the name of heaven does this mean!  And who’s the crazies that are giving you the votes — are you all from the same planet.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:00 pm

      As I said before I’m new to this site and I’m not too sure I’ll be coming back.  I’m a conservative christian and I was told this site was the same.  After reading comments from LuLu, Txgoatlady, Truthteller, Iluminatou and others, I’m hesitant to say this is a site for Republican conservatives.  You’re all a bunch of hateful, bomb throwers who are about as christian as the devil himself.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:51 pm

      You’re not new here.  You’re Mr. Troll and Mr. Troll has been here hundreds of time.  Dance mr bojangles dance.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:20 pm

      Oh, that was clever – dance Mr. Boojangles, dance!  Troll, schmoll!  People like you give conservatives a bad name!

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:24 am

      Brutus – I can’t help myself, YOU do prove your point about education vs intelligence. One does not make for the other in all cases. 

      My question about edu background was generated by the frequent dissing of public education that has a flavor of – I hated school, I hated my teachers – teachers are worthless, overpaid scumbags 

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:41 am

      Gilplin – Guess you have never run up against someone violating regs that impact on you. Talk to someone working in a foundry where OSHEA regs are set up to protect workers from exposure to chemicals and fumes. Talk to the guy who lived on a small lake that has disappeared because someone came in and built a dam or change the flow of a stream on their property in violation of Env Conservation regulations. Agencies exist to uphold the regulations. If you really think there is a problem of over-regulation, then address the regulations and get them eliminated or updated.

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  7. lwessonComment by lwesson
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:55 am

    Doug Patton, you have now widely crossed into The Twilight Zone(a) in dare criticizing Rick Perry, a beloved Pecos Bill of wonderment to some and a Savior of Texas itself, to his loyal minions.  No doubt you will now be called an underling of the Democratic Party Machine or worse all in a treacherous disguise as a Conservative, causing more grief for poor poor Ricky and all of those poor poor illegals, you heartless monster.  I know.  That is how I have been labeled for dare using the English Language in a way, beyond Jack & Jill discourse on our Glorious Gov. here in Texas.
     
    Had rival Candidates maliciously wanted to give Perry more shotgun shells, they could have simply quoted the Great and Powerful Gov. with his saying that Mexico and Texas are ONE!  Bizarre!  Or they might have mentioned his friendly talks with La Raza Unita  (The RACE United hell bent on Reconquesta of, it seems, all of the North American Continent from the Evil Anglos who must either just die off, go away or be killed.  Rick Perry & La Raza Unita!  Think about it.
     
    Anyway Doug, being a fellow agent provocateur now, we will get messages from Boris & Natasha telling us directions from Fearless Leader on how to undermine Al Gore’s former campaign chairman for the good of, ah, Underworld forces.  Now off to go kill Moose & Squirrel.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

      Meant for LaPhil:

      I am so glad that I’m getting under your phony exterior.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

      If your exterior is real, I’d hate like hell to see the interior!

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    • davnkatzComment by davnkatz
      September 26, 2011 @ 8:49 pm

      Did I miss something here?  I have a Bachelor’s and 2 Masters degrees – is your post supposed to be a farce?  If so, you done gud!  (bad syntax intended).

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:24 pm

      Some of your comments and hostile remarks to other people doesn’t portend any degrees in anything except the need of anger management.

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  8. scotpondComment by scotpond
    September 26, 2011 @ 9:57 am

    GOP is advertising for new contenders this AM. They recognize that the current field imploded. The straw pole results proved that. Clever Sarah stayed out of the debates so she’s still not sounding like a total fool. Yeh for Sarah! Smart cookie. Knows how to get the biggest bang from your bucks!

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    • Comment by LuLu
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:25 am

      Straw pole?  You just aren’t getting it, Scotpond.  LOL

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      September 26, 2011 @ 11:05 am

      Are you accusing Sarah Palin of being a smart cookie?  She’s in this for the bucks in case you haven’t figured that out.  She will make a great Carnival Barker when she’s had her fill of the political circus. 

      I do see a remote chance of her entering once the debates are over.  Slim is probably a better choice of words.  Depends on what her fortune tellers come up with.

      Heard she has another book coming out that’s going to list her accomplishments while in public office.  Great thing is it’s on the front of a business card.    

           

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    • iamacmanComment by iamacman
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

      Straw pole…
       
      Dictionary definition of dunce: a person incapable of learning

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:05 pm

      I wouldn’t think a straw pole would be very sturdy. I would prefer a steel pole instead. Didn’t the Three Little Pigs teach us that lesson?

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:10 pm

      Polls are for skiers and strippers.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

      Whoa!  The pharisees are at it again!  Who cares, poll, pol or pole!  You self righteous fools!

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:28 pm

      Is there a tall building near you you can conveniently jump off of?

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:29 pm

      Meant for LaPhil:
       
      I am so glad that I’m getting under your phony exterior.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 10:14 am

      I must remember to spell poll as poll when I mean poll.
      I must remember to spell poll as poll when I mean poll.
      I must remember to spell poll as poll when I mean poll.
      I must remember to spell poll as poll when I mean poll.
      I must remember to spell poll as poll when I mean poll. 

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      September 27, 2011 @ 3:45 pm

      Obviously LAPhil needs to learn a thing or two about poles/polls also.  Funny thing is he received a bunch of stars for being wrong.  Tells us a lot about some of those who are posting here.  We have met the enemy and it is us…..

      Comment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:10 pm

      Polls are for skiers and strippers.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 27, 2011 @ 4:06 pm

      Robert, it was a JOKE for God’s sake!

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      September 27, 2011 @ 4:10 pm

      Yeah ok…  Me thinks you screwed the pooch on that one!  HAHAHAHA

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  9. SAnnComment by SAnn
    September 26, 2011 @ 10:20 am

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.
    But then I repeat myself.
             — Mark Twain
    This Mark Twain quote could also include some that are running for office of the president and I guess Perry did an excellent job or either his handlers are from la la land and have not trained him on how to keep his mouth shut and not tell exactly how he feels and that way the voters would never know until he was possibly elected into office. Make you feel good now?

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:32 am

      Yes, and Will Rogers had many more nuggets reflecting on the abilities of Congressmen. If you look at the backgrounds of the average local and State level politician you’ll find it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of really knowing what they are doing when they pass bills. Having run a business does not translate into knowing for sure what will or wont work to helping the economy recover.

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  10. RobertRComment by RobertR
    September 26, 2011 @ 10:32 am

    The issue Gov Perry has to deal with is how do you answer that question the way people wanted him to without spitting in the face of your legislature and the people who voted them into office – those pesky citizens… Same ones that elected you to the Governor’s chair several times now.  And yes I realize some of you here are the ‘other citizens’ who want everyone who’s not a ‘regular Texan’ to remain uneducated thus either living off the system, chased home, or imprisoned for life… When all but 4 legislators were in favor of this bill how can he not sign it?  Furthermore if you use common sense and look at the big picture it only makes good sense.  History here has shown that when people obtain an education and become working, taxpaying citizens of our society you have a much better chance of them becoming republicans.  I’ve worked in the dirt poor and very illiterate communities in South Texas.  They are democrat and they are owned by the democrats for life.  So if you deny them an education they are automatically going to go to the side of the democrats.  A friend of mine and his wife are Hispanic.  They were born and raised here.  Their parents were legal’s also born and raised here.  So no ‘illegal’ nonsense that can be thrown their way…  The wife was raised a democrat just as many of us were.  She went to college and obtained a degree and went to work. It was then after seeing what the government took from her that she became a Republican.  That is more the norm than people want to give credit for.

    We have elected a substantial number of Hispanic Republicans the last few years.  We need more of them if we plan on keeping Texas on the right track.  The democrat legislators prey on the poor and the ignorant by promising more government aid to them.  We don’t need any more of those.  Henry B. Gonzales’s son is doing a fine job taking over for his father in that capacity.  As are a host of others.  The future of Texas is having an educated and working Hispanic community. 

    Obviously the government has failed to keep illegal’s out.  Once they become citizens the democrats lean on them regularly to vote for their ticket.  The democrats prefer they remain uneducated and dependent on the system.  The only chance we have is to get people educated and get them working as productive citizens. Not more people living on the public dole.

    People who are not from here do not realize the millions of Hispanics that are born here and born of people who are US citizens that are locked into a life being supported by the welfare system. I’ve seen homes in this area that would make some of the stuff in Mexico look livable. This is not a problem that is going to go away. You have a culture that needs awakening. That is not something that will happen overnight.

    The illegal problem has been here since the beginning. So far no one has been able to fix the problem.  I agree it needs fixing but will it ever be fixed?  I don’t see it happening in my lifetime.  In the meantime we need to do what we can to make things work in the best interest of the citizens of Texas.  IF we don’t educate these children where they can be productive citizens we’re just adding to the problem.  And yes I have friends who believe we should man the border between us and Mexico with troops and machine guns and kill everyone that wants to come across.  That isn’t going to happen either.    

    There are plenty of people who believe that we should just make their life miserable and that they’d go back home.  Back home to what?  You’re sending them back to more destitute life than living underground here that’s what.  Once they are here they will not go back just because we deny them an education.  Many of their parents are not educated so they see nothing wrong with the kid not being educated either.  You’re dealing with a different mindset than the way you think. 

    The Republican party has become stronger in Texas while in other states with high percentages of minority voters they have lost ground.  We are on the right track here by doing the things we are doing.   
      
    So let the people throw stones at Governor Perry. He’s better off not being president of this country in the first place. He’ll live a lot healthier happier life being the governor of the State of Texas and he’s doing a fine job for “US”.

    I’m quite sure the usual suspects will attack with their pitchforks and torches but what I said is the truth. Not some hyperbole of how somebody else would come in and fix this problem. It’s so easy to make blanket statements of how things should be done.  Not so easy when you actually see the problem and have to deal with it.    
     

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    • iamacmanComment by iamacman
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

      RobertR,
       
      Thanks for this truly great humanitarian perspective on the situation. It begs the question, should we, the US of A, be the caretakers of the world, and give up what we have to help others less fortunate? Some will say yes, others no. But that is the question you are posing, I believe. There are people in poor countries that are dying of starvation every day. Shouldn’t we do the right thing and bring them all here and feed and clothe and educate them so that the world can be a better place?
       
      I don’t know the answer, but it’s a great question, and it’s what we are faced with and why this is such a contentious issue in our country today. On the one hand, illegal immigration is a huge drain on our country and one of the causes of the ugly state we are presently in. On the other, we desperately want to be humanitarian – it’s in our blood. What do we do????
       
      Here’s a different slant on the situation. You say: “There are plenty of people who believe that we should just make their life miserable and that they’d go back home.  Back home to what?  You’re sending them back to more destitute life than living underground here that’s what.”
       
      Not necessarily. My wife’s sister (an American citizen) married a Mexican 35 years ago and has lived down there in Michoacan the entire time. She LOVES it there and would never leave to come up here and live in the US. She and her family live a meager existence, to be sure, but it’s simplistic, friendly, quaint, and quite beautiful where she lives. None of them want to live in the US.
       
      So, I don’t think we would necessarily be dooming ALL of these illegals to a more destitute life than living underground here. Some, to be sure, but not all. Truth is, Mexico has a lot of natural resources and could be made into a much better country in which to live. The govt is corrupt and maybe the people need to revolt. That’s what really needs to happen because we as a country simpy can’t afford to take in all of the world’s impoverished people, and I think that’s the real issue. Other countries have to take care of their own…

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:47 pm

      RobertR: You left out one of the most insidious tricks of the left, bi-lingualism or multi-lingualism. As a former student of Arabic, French, Latin and Spanish, I will tell everyone, that language is the glue that binds all cultures. Only religion comes close.

      The Democrats support bi-lingualism so Hispanics and others remain dependent upon the left to support them. Surrounding every urban enclave of non-English speakers is a periphery of parasites who prey upon the foreign speakers. They do everything from swindling them and selling them bogus insurance policies to voting for them. From Tammany Hall to East LA, this has gone on for nearly 200 years. It has to stop.

      We need to close the border and repatriate illegals.  If  we enforce our laws and get tough on the border, we can help make this a minor problem, but we need to give employers stiff prison terms for employing illegals.  I don’t care if they are in lawn care or manufacturing, throw ‘em in the slammer!

      V/r, T.J.

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  11. SteveComment by sfdennis
    September 26, 2011 @ 10:38 am

    Doug, I agree with your basic premise.  We should not be using taxpayer monies, whether federal or state, to be providing any services at all for illegal aliens.  However, right at this point in our history the fact that someone is born in the U.S. makes them a U.S. citizen.  That is the current law of the land.  I haven’t read the provisions of the Texas “Dream Act,” so if the funds allocated are being used only for those children of illegals born in the U.S., then I think under our current federal laws there is nothing wrong with it.  However, if those funds are being allocated for use by chidren of illegals that were brought here to the U.S. with their parents, illegally, then I agree with you 100%.  They have no right to taxpayer funding for their education.

    My point is simple.  Before I jump in with both feet and denounce something any of the Republican candidates advocate, I want ALL OF THE FACTS.  

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:51 am

      It covers those kids that were brought here and have lived here for 3 or more years. Chances of deporting those kids are slim, very slim.   And most have gone to public schools here which is mandated by the Federal Government.   So to look at the whole, they are here for quite possibly most of their 18 years.   They’ve been here and gone to public schools.   Now they are out of high school, graduated or GED qualified to attend community college or a university.   They will now receive the same in state tuition that legal residents of Texas receive. They are not getting anything cheaper than a regular Texas resident. It is a discount compared to a child from another state in the union. Personally all tuitions should be the same price but for some reason states have chosen to punish anyone from another state wanting an education in theirs. Never quite understood that especially when you consider there are very few kids from out of the state that are paying for the full ride.

      Until the US government rescinds the mandate that children of illegal residents are to receive a free public school education how do we not give them the same price as regular citizens? Yes I know some here won’t see this point but to me and the legislature it is the right thing to do.    

      One thing that has not been mentioned is how do we handle the children from people who are here legally due to their parents having Visas?  And again we have a lot of them now in South Texas who have fled Mexico due to the violence there.   I’m assuming the same requirement that they be here 3 years?  BTW a lot of those families are quite prosperous and have purchased homes in San Antonio that I couldn’t afford in 4 lifetimes… 

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      September 26, 2011 @ 2:08 pm


      Sfdennis: 

      I agree.  “All of the facts,” before any decisions, is a smart move.

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    • solaraComment by solara
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

      So glad to hear someone say, that they won’t discount someone because of one issue or statement.  Perry is NOT pro-illegal.  The FEDS ARE PRO-ILLEGAL.

      If all of you who do not like Perry now, because of one statement or issue – that’s fine.  there are plenty more to vote for.  I agree, for the rest of the country, if it would make ANY difference at all, I hope he will try again to explain.  If he does, and you still don’t like it, you don’t have to vote for him.

      The main thing is to get the facts.  I too am like RobertR – I would like to see the country benefit the way Texas has, but if he is not nominated so be it!  We have re-elected him because the MAJORITY OF TEXANS like him.

      But in case you haven’t heard — Texas I think will be tipping into the Gulf of Mexico before long with the influx of people from around the country that have come to benefit from our great State.  Does Perry get the credit – yes and no – meaning our great state has been productive for a long time and has continued to be productive with our Governor Perry through these horrible two years with the “O”.

      I’m sorry some of you don’t like the “heart” comment and the way he explained the Texas in-state tuition.  After all, maybe we need Obama to give him some tips on being the great speaker so that so many people would not misunderstand his message.

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  12. knorskeComment by knorske
    September 26, 2011 @ 10:45 am

    Doug…I thank you for an article written after “taking off the gloves” so can share the essence of yet another tremendous problem we face.

    As others have posted, I agree “illegal” is “illegal,” and we have no responsibility to educate illegal aliens.  Based on the policies of the current administration, in specific, and liberals, in general, we can hardly purport success in educating our own citizens!

    Over the years, we have let the government replace We the People as the one who are responsible for a host of tasks.  Along the way, adding ”for the children” has been an effective mantra to further cement the government’s role in performing these tasks.

    We must start NOW to reverse this encroachment on We the People.  As I have posted elsewhere, we need to shut down and eliminate many/most federal agencies.  Let’s start with Department of Education.  Take the lot of those (oh, those poor, poor) ”displaced” federal employees and assign them the task of rounding up and deporting illegal alien students and their families.  If the job is too large for the former Department of Education crew, we’ll do the same with Environmental Protection Agency.  Surely, having a few less million population in this country is good for the environment!  There are many, many other agencies to follow, so we should have no lack of labor force to effect the mass deportation.

    As always, we must pray God Bless America. 

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  13. mzmoComment by mzmo
    September 26, 2011 @ 10:46 am

    I had high hopes for Perry when he burst on the scene.  Then his connections and over-tolerant attitude toward gay demands and various other issues put me on alert.  Then this.  ALL I EVER NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT PERRY I LEARNED IN THIS ONE STATEMENT.  He’s history, in my book. 

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  14. lewbComment by lewb
    September 26, 2011 @ 11:45 am

    I agree, My hopes for Perry were very high! I thought he would be our next President!

    But, his continuing support of his own mispeak concering Illegals getting a TUITION BREAK because they broke our laws on IMMIGRATION is so STUPID he can never recover!

    So ROMNEY MUST DEFEAT OUR ENEMY , Chaos Obama and save AMERICA from DESTRUCTION!

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  15. oldcuzComment by oldcuz
    September 26, 2011 @ 11:48 am

    This statement as bizzare as it may sound, is even more likely to come from a ultra Liberal Progresive, rather than a purported conservative Republican, who is also courting the Tea party vote. Is there no possible way we can get through to so many in this Nation that “Illegal” means just that “Illegal”?

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  16. RobertRComment by RobertR
    September 26, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

    The fact that the Federal government has mandated that we give the children of illegals a free education from Pre K through the 12th grade is obviously lost on most here. We have to educate them by law and we cannot send ICE out to pick them and their families up and deport them.

    Texas is allowing them to attend college for the same cost as our regular residents pay as long as they’re in the process of becoming American citizens.

    Again do we really want to exclude those people from an education and force them to become citizens without the ability to obtain an education that they would be paying for?

    Are people really this dense? If you want to stop the problem from getting this far then repeal the laws that require us to provide a public education to them! When they come to enroll in school then send ICE out to round them up and deport them. That would be a good start to eliminating the problem.  We are not GIVING them anything.  They are paying for the education just as any other resident of Texas does.  BTW that FREE public education as someone pointed out earlier is costing us trillions!
     
     
           

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    • lewbComment by lewb
      September 26, 2011 @ 12:32 pm

      I apologize to TEXAS! YES< since Texas is required by our Federal Government to GIVE CHILDREN of Ilegals a FREE EDUCATION , grades K thru 12, Costing the LEGAL TAXPAYERS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, then I UNDERSTAND NOW, why giving these same illegals a Low Cost College Education , Priced the same as LEGALS  is a smart thing to DO.
      Since they must be working to attain U.S. Citizenship in order to receive this low cost college educationn, they will be Working and TAX PAYING U.S. Citizens! EDUCATED CITIZENS!

      NOW! I understand GOV. PERRY!
      Please have him EXPLAIN IT MUCH CLEARER ON NEXT DEBATE!
      Thanks,
      Lew Richards, Florida!

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      September 26, 2011 @ 12:47 pm

      I’m beginning to understand why people in the past created slavery. It darkened their hearts but kept their borders clean.

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    • teapartyproudComment by teapartyproud
      September 26, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

      RobrtR, What you don’t seem to get is that because something is already done, it does not make it right. Banks are robbed, but must we then excuse the bank robbers because they needed the money desperately and were just trying to improve their lives? 
      We get it. You’re a Perry guy, right or wrong.
      I’m sorry, but he can be right on everything else, but if he supports or just passively allows for amnesty for illegals, all is lost. We will lose our culture, our language, and our country.
      Please look at this video. Maybe it will help you understand.  https://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/educational/immigration-world-poverty-and-gumballs-updated-2010.html
      You seem like a good man RobertR. I think you have sympathy for these illegal immigrants, and believe it or not, I do too, but I’m not willing to sacrifice the future of my children and grandchildren for a losing battle.
      One more thing to consider. If illegals were never allowed to vote, even after gaining citizenship through amnesty, do you really think the Democrats would still want amnesty?

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 1:52 pm

      lewb, the sarcasm, while somewhat subtle, is well-taken.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

      Illuminatou:

      You understand why they created slavery!  To keep their borders clean!  You would have made a great nazi or perhaps you’re related to one.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:16 am

      Lewb – for a moment I thought sanity had snuck into the conversation.
      Have you given any thought to how much it will cost to implement and carry out a “get rid of them all” plan? How many federal AND STATE agencies would have to set up departments to deal with just this activity? All of a sudden, expansion of government sounds like a good idea??? 

      Why spend your energy on ranting about illegals (brown skinned and Spanish speaking) who you want to get rid of when it would take YEARS of legal actions to accomplish? Why not focus on how to make them high functioning residents and citizens who can contribute to this country’s growth? 

      Changing the constitution by amending an amendment – You all revere the Constitution and want to tell us what it means and doesn’t mean but then you’re willing to start tearing it apart with new amendments? The last time it was tried (ERA) it floated around for several years, then bombed – another waste of time and effort because you would never get it ratified given the number of voters who are immigrants or the children of immigrants sensitive to the plight of immigrants and smart enough to know that there aren’t hoards of women coming over to the US just in time to deliver a baby so they can establish an anchor for themselves in the US.

       

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:29 am

      Teapartyproud – I watched the video and agree with the final conclusion: Let’s help them there!
      But read the GOP blogs – People here think we can balance the budget by NOT helping people there. That’s one of the first things they want to get rid of is foreign aid that helps people become self-sustaining. They want Gates and other millionaires to stop spending money in 3rd world countries on stuff that helps women become self-sufficient and children to grow up healthy so families naturally produce fewer children because the babies aren’t dying.

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    • Comment by LuLu
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:53 am

      Scotpond, the name of the article is, ‘If I Only Had a Heart.’  If the author was writing about liberal reasoning it would be, “If I Only Had a Brain.”
       
      Conservatives do not want Bill Gates or any other billionaire to stop giving money to anyone. First, it is his money. Conservatives believe an individual can do what they want to do with their own money. When an individual gives his own money to help the needy that is charity.  When a government forcibly takes money from a wealthy man to give it to the needy that is theft.
       
      Charity is a good thing but it must come from the heart of an individual. It is not the same when done by a government.  There are websites that track the political beliefs of givers and it is a well known fact that conservatives give far more to charity than do liberals. I’m sure that is because conservatives give directly while liberals prefer to have the money collected by the government and redistributed in order to buy votes.
       
      Seriously, if you really do have a conservative brother you should listen to him and learn. You are making a fool of yourself here with your asinine comments.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      September 27, 2011 @ 1:16 pm

      RobertR,

      You are absolutely right.  The UNFUNDED MANDATE that requires the educating of illegals K through 12, should be repealed.  More importantly, as well as repealing this mandate, ALL unfunded mandates should be prohibited by law.  This will put a stop to this feel good, social tinkering, that politicians, both liberals and RINOs adore.

      These unfunded mandates by the Feds, are one of the principal contributors to the financial problems our states are facing.  Demanding a state create or comply, with the rules of an expensive system and then not providing them (the states) with funding is ludcirus at best and destructive at worst.

      Let the Congressmen or Senators have to face their constituants and tell them theitr taxes are being raised to pay fot educating illegal children. The’ll be singing a different tune, when reelection time comes around and they are out of a job.

      It’s time to put a stop to this.

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  17. memawComment by memaw
    September 26, 2011 @ 12:19 pm

    What a breath of fresh air for those of us who live in Texas and have seen what Gov. Perry is made of.  Maybe now, the ones of you who accuse us of trolling can see what we were trying to say.  Just because someone has a different opinion is no reason to criticize and stick an adverse label on us.  Our opinions should count as much as anyone else’s.
     

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

      Do you agree or disagree with the column?

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:59 pm

      Memaw:  Kudos to you.  I hate all of the accusations and name-calling on this blog. 

      It just goes on and on, Blah-Blahblah-Blahblah. 

      Many here have great points, great humor and make entertaing thrusts and parries, but name calling is a total drag for us, who want to hear logical arguments.  I learn from them and hope to continue. 

      There are so many issues today and so many degrees of opinion on those issues, that few of us are ever going to agree on everything.  That doesn’t make any of us “trolls” or “RINO’s” or Liberals or heritics or gay or Martian.  Name calling just makes us look stupid.  I have friends who never blog, because so many folks resort to hatefullness and intolerence.

      Lulu, TXGoatLady, LAPhil, FlaJim. RobertR, Mort_f, Iluminturo, and many others of us and I, like different candidates, have varying opinions on different issues, but we’re all Republicans and basically conservative.  I’m not saying that I haven’t lost my cool a couple times, but I admit that I should not have.  We should remember that the art of persuasion is like my Grandma taught me, “we catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”.  Ronald Reagan knew that.

      V/r, Tejano Jack  

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 8:52 am

      Thank you memaw. Do you also watch Fox news to stay in touch with both sides of the debates?

      I like to hear and read first-hand what people are saying and what their reasons are for believing what they believe; that’s why I follow GOPUSA blogs and watch FOX regularly. I don’t want to insulate myself from hearing opposing views. My brother is the polar (or is that poller? :) opposite of me. We exchange views frequently but I can’t get him to read or watch anything other than FOX news sources. Is that typical of the far right? 

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    • BethanyComment by Bethany
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:37 am

      Amen memaw and others!  Not many of us are likely to agree on ALL the issues, but do we have to resort to being name calling and derogatory remarks?  Say it isn’t so!  And I have to admit that I am especially bothered by those that claim the name of Christ and are still ugly and spiteful to others.  Being kind should not be that hard.  And, no, I am certainly not perfect either, as my husband and daughter would tell you.

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  18. jwilliamsComment by jwilliams
    September 26, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

    I had high hopes for Rick Perry and was anticipating his getting into the race.  He definitely damaged himself with me because of his immigration stance.  Illegla immigration breaks US law and there is no circumstance under which I could support giving them our tax dollars in any form.  We need to repeal the “anchor baby” amendment to the constitution, build the border fence, put troops on the ground and deport as many illegals as we can.  I am not sympathetic to the argument that children will be separted from their parents or that families will be broken apart.  They should have thought of the consequences before they brok our laws. 

    In general, I liked George Bush but he had his head in the sand when it came to illegal immigration as well. 

    In thinking of the current candidates, Perry and Romney are the most likely choices.  Perry’s stand on illegal immigration rules him out in my mind and Romney’s support of socialized medicine rules him out.  Out of the group that’s left, I like Herman Cain but I don’t think he can beat Obama.  As of right now, I don’t think we have a candidate that can win for the conservative cause in the upcoming election.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:36 am

      I agree, build a fence the whole length of the boarder. Please let me know who get’s the new contracts for materials and work. I want to buy in to the company profits at the start.

      Can’t wait to hear what the cost overruns will total. Do you think they can match the Big Dig in Boston? How long do you think it would take to complete? Can they work 24/7 and pay double time for wages? Will they monitor the companies to see if they are verifying citizenship status of the people they hire? Will it be OK to hire LEGAL aliens – (here on work visas, etc?) Will we need to make sure they don’t put in secret doors or monitoring systems here and there like the Russians did when they worked on the US Embassy in Russia?

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  19. John HenryComment by John Henry
    September 26, 2011 @ 1:27 pm

     
    All agree that Rick Perry did not acquit himself well in the Florida debate.  Actually, he does not seem ever to rise to complex problems with reasoned responses.
     
     
     
    Challenged on a border fence, he denies one is necessary.  Actually, it would be difficult to build a fence on the Texas border since that border is in the middle of the Rio Grande, a river that fluctuates between floods and virtually dry conditions.  Built on the Texas bank, a fence would encroach on businesses and public use of river and lakefront property.  He might have noted that past proposals to build sections of fence had met and been defeated by such problems. He might even have noted that Mr. Obama’s joke about digging a moat demonstrated his ignorance that the Rio Grande is a moat and that in places it does have alligators in it.  On the other hand, much of the New Mexico, Arizona, and California border could easily be fenced.  And, yes a fence doesn’t keep people with ladders out; it slows them down, and makes them show themselves as they cross.  Dare anyone suggest that a strand of electric cattle fence on top would make crossing even more challenging?  If cut, it sounds an alarm.  If touched, the illegal sounds his own alarm.
     
     
     
    About students:  There would be no illegal students in Texas if the federal government would uphold the law and deport all illegals.  There would be no children caught in a most regrettable situation if the feds kept their parents out.  Governor Perry might have pointed out that the fifth of six duties assigned the President by Article II section 3 of the Constitution of the United States is this:  “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,”  This president and too many past presidents have ignored this constitutionally prescribed duty with the result that the heartbreaking situation of college age students whose education for twelve years has been footed by tax payers would be denied further education were they not allowed to attend institutions of higher learning at the same rate as other Texas residents.  This is a situation that should not have been allowed to come to pass.  Still, if the President refuses to uphold his duty, and if congress will not remove him from office for failing to fulfill the obligations of that office, we would be creating lifelong resentment in youngsters caught in a trap by federal dereliction of duty.   The evil rests with the feds.  Texas legislators considered providing Texas tuition rates for those affected young people and approved a bill that Perry now carries as if it were his own sole policy.  Perry is like a monkey trapped by a tethered coconut filled with rice.  He put in his hand and grabbed a fistful of what someone else placed there, and now he cannot let it go and he cannot remove his hand.  This is what happens when laws are passed in states to make up for federal laws that are not enforced.  This is our major dysfunction.  Law breaks down everywhere, when it is not enforced entirely.
     
     
     
    The Texas policy is indefensible.  The cause of the problem that brought the policy to be adopted is Presidential disregard for constitutional duty by Presidents going back at least to LBJ.  (Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt, and Hoover deported aliens with great resolve)  Congress has made itself irrelevant to government policy by yielding to both of the other branches of government.  Perry could help restore the constitution, if he had the strength and vision, (Oh, yes, and intelligence.) to argue for the restoration of our republic.  He does not have what it takes to do that.
     
     
     
    Rick Perry will likely continue to show himself to be a subordinate to the neo-conservative leadership of the Republican Party and neo-conservative leading voices in the media.  Let’s seek elsewhere for a man of vision, skill, American character, intelligence, and experience outside the institutions of established political power.  Our President should take seriously his oath of office:
     
     
     
    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
     

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 1:47 pm

      John Henry, I hereby present you with the Post-of-the-Month award. I hope you keep giving us more like that one.

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    • MinoComment by Mino
      September 26, 2011 @ 5:07 pm

      Although I see Perry’s willingness to be compassionate toward people of his state, he must realize that he must treat them all with equity.  He should also realize that when someone breaks the law that person must be punished for his crime even though not all of what took place is his fault.  You cannot reward criminals or their children with privileges not provided to the citizens of a state or nation. 
      Another troubling fact is that I just read that most of the jobs that were created in Texas were given to immigrants, and 40% of them were for illegal aliens.  I believe that Perry became a candidate because the GOP leadership goaded him to run.  I’m just wondering whether the prayer meeting of all governors was a ploy by the GOP leaders to try and get the tea party support, and that they were responsible for that gathering.
      I am leary of Romney as well since he has flipped flopped several times on important conservative issues like gay marriage, gov’t healthcare, abortion rights, and others.  It’s also strange that such a ultra left wing state would turn around and elect a “conservative” candidate to the highest office in that state.  What is it that the voters of Massachusetts know that we don’t know that convinced the liberal citizens of Mass. to vote for him?
      I like Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Bachmann respectively, but don’t like the rest of them at all.

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  20. thegizmo51Comment by thegizmo51
    September 26, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

    For sometime now I have felt like I’m living in the “Twilight Zone”. The
    republicans, with help from Greenspan and Bernanke, drove us into a
    Great Recession and it’s like nobody is aware of or even remembers, let
    alone assigns any responsibility or accountability. People still vote
    republican. Some days I feel like giving up and think the United States
    should just declare the W king and cheney queen and forget about life
    altogether!  Vote republican if you are anti-union, anti-social
    security, anti-medicare, and FOR promoting the wealth and power of the
    richest people and you are FOR a two class system: owners and workers.
    And don’t act so surprised and angry after a republican gets elected
    and you lose your job and home.

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    • jwilliamsComment by jwilliams
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

      I think you should dig a little deeper on this one.  It is true the both Republicans and Democrats have spent the US to near bankruptcy and neither party has been fiscally responsible.  In actual dollars spent, the Obama admiinstration has been the biggest offender in terms the spending levels of any administration in recent history.  But at the heart of what drove us into recession is the Community Reinvestment Act, initially signed into law by Jimmy Carter.  As with most laws, it started off with great intentions but each succeeding administration added political favors to it.  The most damage was done by the Clinton administration when the decision was made that every American is entitled to a home.  Janet Reno’s justice department dutifully strong armed financial instatutions with the threat of legal action and out of that arose “No Doc” loans and out of that came the evils related to sub-prime mortgages.  In fact, the vaunted “Clinton Economy” was a false economy fueled by the building of thousands and thousands of homes that resulted from these foolish loan practices.  As a small start with regard to accountability, how about holding Barney Frank accountable.

      The unions, representing only about 12% of all workers, through campaign contributions are writing legislation.  Combined with US corporate taxes being either the highest or second highest in the world, the unions are helping drive jobs off shore.  (An interesting exercise is to look at how many jobs GE has shipped overseas just during the current adminstration.) Private sector unions are somewhat restrained by the free market.  If the costs of the goods they produce go up and up, the market won’t buy them.  The public sector unions are a cancer on society.  They can put enough pressure on legislators that they will give in to all their demands and then the tax payers have to pony up.  The problem with that is there is no free market restraint.  And these unions seem to be willinng to bankrupt the cities or states or counties they serve.  Just give me mine and I don’t care what it does to you.

      In the same metaphorical sense that you wrote it, Obama while usurping dictatorial prowers by side stepping the congress and constitution any time it suits him, needs to have the crown he attempts to don removed from his head.  Here I’m saying that congress, thorough legislation, needs to overturn his executive orders.

      I feel we will always have a liberal and conservative side to our politics and some on both sides will be extreme.  If we are going to have an opportunity to change America for the better, we need to strive to be more informed as to the facts and less emotional in our responses.  We need to be engaged in our politics and not simply vote along party lines but rather vote for the person that will act, not just in the interest of his or her own re-election, but in the best interest of America.  Right now the best interest of America is to get this crippling debt under control.

      That leads to your comments on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, which are comittments we’ve made to our citizens over the years and those comittments have to be kept.  At the same time there is a financial reality that we have to accept and that is we cannot afford to pay for them in their current form.  It’s a political football that noboy wants to touch.  The politics of re-election prevent us from fixing these programs.  If we don’t fix them, the reality is they won’t be here at some point because we simply won’t have the money to support them.  What then?

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:48 pm

      Unfortunately one star is the lowest rating I can give for thegizmo’s post.

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    • Comment by LuLu
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

      gizmo, I hear the Twilight Zone theme song every time I read one of your posts. It’s hard to imagine how seriously out of touch you are, so perhaps the best thing you could do for yourself and your country is to stop following politics.

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:22 pm

      Think twice before you mock anyone else for their spelling and grammar — YOU’RE in place of your. 

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    • iamacmanComment by iamacman
      September 27, 2011 @ 1:21 am

      Don’t forget that, for most of Bush’s presidency, the House and Senate were Democrat controlled. Obama is now finding out just how hard it is to get anything passed without his party controlling both the House and Senate. That’s what Bush faced. Anything that got passed during his years in office basically originated and was sanctioned and passed by DEMOCRATS.
       
      …and it’s like nobody is aware of or even remembers, let alone assigns any responsibility or accountability. People still vote democrat!

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:47 am

      THEGIZMO51 = PLEASE STICK AROUND. YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND THESE GUYS ARE NOT THE MAJORITY

      THEY’RE JUST THE LOUDEST IN THE CROWD – LIKE THE GUYS WHO BOO’D THE GAY SOLDIER WHO ASKED THE DADT QUESTION.

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 27, 2011 @ 9:50 am

      T…51:  I neglected to point out one other thing.  You stated, “…you are FOR a two class system:[,] owners and workers.”  My request is, upon what political and economic writers have you based that opinion?  

      The reason I ask this is because, if you had studied either right or left wing thinkers, you would know that if capitalism and free enterprise is to work, a society and economy must have a vibrant middle class.  In deed, read any left wing thinker and you will find that it is the destruction of the middle class, the bourgeoisie, that is necessary for socialism and communism to work.  The wayu they accomplish this end is to either murder them and/or redistribute their wealth.  It is free enterprise and capitalism, not state run economies that create wealth and require a middle class.  It is impossible for the state or government to create wealth.  It can only redistribute and spend people’s wealth, and when it gone, whatever jobs it may have temporarily created are gone too.  In times when this government adopts those kinds of programs, what really happens is that business and industry reduces its labor overhead to force increased per capita efficiency and productivity.  Lately, we have seen a rise in the GDP.  It is being driven by reduced labor and increased productivity through greater efficiency, but that is because business is forced to do more work with fewer people.  However that does not really increase the long term GDP.  In order to have a growing GDP with a fully employed labor force, there has to be a greater demand for higher productivity than the reduced labor force can provide, thereby increasing the demand for more labor which, in turn, brings more real income and demand for goods and services into the economy.  In short, you have to have both productivity and a demand for goods and services.  If you only have a temporary demand for goods and services with an inadequate, government created, temporary productivity, all you get is low employment and higher prices.  In other words, temporary, bottom up stimuli only create debt and inflation, because the long term demands for goods and services does not exist to cause business to make the long term investment in real and human capital.

      My guess is that the above probably sailed a thousand feet over your head, but if you had paid attention in Econ 101 and 102 or even basic H.S. Econ 1 and 2, you would not only understand this, you would know that conservatives want everyone to prosper. That’s because the more wealth people have, the greater the demand for goods and services and the more wealth that is created.  This in turn creates more opportunity for more people.  True story, Bubba.  Thats how it works, when the government is not stealing both presonal and corporate wealth.  T.J.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 10:07 am

      JWIILIAMS – I AGREE that SS needs to be fixed. Simple fix that takes care of it 100% is, raise the limit on the base. WE all pay SS tax on all we earn. People earning over $106,800/year wages or NET profit after all deductions – don’t pay any SS tax on the amount earned over that. 

      Do you realize that up until 1984, Social Security BENEFITS were tax free income? Then they became taxable in part – the amount depends on your total income from other sources. THAT made Social Security, in essence, a NEEDS BASED benefit instead of a pure insurance program where what you get is based on what you paid in.

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    • jwilliamsComment by jwilliams
      September 28, 2011 @ 7:34 am

      Scotpond, I agree that what you suggest would be a start to fixing social security but I think there is another piece without which there can be no fix.  At the same time you pass a law that removes the income cap on SS tax, you have to return the SS trust fund to a lock box program that cannot be touched by congress. If that doesn’t happen they will just take the money and spend it to gain re-election favors here and there.  In short order the fund will be right back to where it is today.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 28, 2011 @ 8:58 am

      Jwiliams – I was keeping it short, otherwise I would have gone on at length about the manipulation of budget and expenditure calculations based on throwing in the SS “TRUST Fund” AND the borrowing from that fund. 

      Congress and the pres routinely enforce pay freezes and hiring freezes on SS Admin that cripples their ability to provide fast efficient services even though the operating expenses are built into the program and not fed budget add-ons. You wont hear about SS Admin EE’s going to a conference where $15 donuts are served.

      Any conferences – usually related to train the trainer in new procedures, are “pick up your coffee at the shop before you come in and there will be a 15 min break to go out for refills.” 

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    • jwilliamsComment by jwilliams
      September 28, 2011 @ 9:48 am

      Scotpond, if I sounded critical of your response, it was not my intention.  I was simply saying that any “fix” for SS has to keep congress’ hands out of the cookie jar and in my mind the only way to do that is making the trust fund a lock box program again, as it was in the beginning.  My feeling is if the fund had remained untouchable, even if that money had not been invested in some instrument that would grow, we would not find our legislators suddenly having to the blinding understanding that SS is broken.  Amazing revelation because they contributed in large part to why SS is in the state it’s in today. 

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  21. teapartyproudComment by teapartyproud
    September 26, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

    Thegizmo51, have you not heard of Jimmy Carter’s community redevelopment act? Janet Reno threatening banks that they could lose their charter if they didn’t make those high risk loans? Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Maxine Waters extolling the virtues of those high risk loans? Look there for the responsibility you claim to seek.
    Perhaps you are not in the “Twilight Zone”, but the “State of Ignorance”.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

      Thegizmo51 is likely deluded from getting all of his news from the MSM and not doing any of his own research on the subject. Sadly, that is the case for many registered voters. Perhaps the government isn’t where conservatives should be trying to infiltrate and take over. Maybe the MSM should be our target. That is where the true power seems to lie.

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 26, 2011 @ 10:03 pm

      Hey y’all, speaking of high risk loans, check out today’s WSJ regarding “Robo Signing”.  Looks like Big Barney, Freddie and Fannie all knew about it and that Freddie and Fannie were actually doing it themselves.  T.J.

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  22. scotpondComment by scotpond
    September 26, 2011 @ 3:19 pm

    Pole is short for Polish or Polack – I’m part Polish so maybe that’s why I favor pole when I mean poll. Are we done on that topic? I do get their, they’re – to vs too right, most of the time..

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

      Grammatically correct but ideologically so wrong. I would prefer the opposite if you intend to vote in the upcoming elections. I suppose we can continue to hope that your exposure to our witty, conservative banter will someday sway your opinion.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

      Ewe can knot full awl of the peephole awl of the tyme.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      September 26, 2011 @ 3:46 pm

      The “peephole”? Is that old English for “people”?

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 6:07 pm

      Hear we go again!  Grammatically correct but ideologically so wrong, oh brother, talk about the pharisies!

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:28 pm

      My, what big Trolling ears you have Little Red Riding BHO_OD

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:40 pm

      genesal:

      Some of you people are troll obsessed.  Anyone who doesn’t agree with your comments is a troll.  You’re worse than the Democrats but are too into yourselves to see it.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 26, 2011 @ 7:57 pm

      So please explain tellit2someonewho cares, why are you really here.  Sixth grade homework assignment?  Look up troll, troll.  I’ll fight to the death your right to open up your big mouth and make a fool of yourself.  Good job, we all know how very smart you are now.  Now please go do something for your Country (not you’re fool President).

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:21 pm

      Name calling, like profanity, is the supreme effort of a feeble mind to make a forceful expression or effective comment.  What is it with all this name calling?  That’s what the drug fried liberal brains do.

      There is not wittiness in name-calling.  It’s just embarrassing.  T.J. 

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    • tellitlikeitis2Comment by tellitlikeitis2
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:28 pm

      YOU’RE fool president!  Oh, that’s good.

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  23. geoinsdComment by geoinsd
    September 26, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

    I believe it is a very dangerous practice to selectively enforce laws.  That opens the door to chaos and corruption, in my opinion.  If one feels the law is wrong, then work to repeal it.  Don’t decide not to enforce it.  In particular, it is not a good thing to give incentives to break the laws of the land.  That is especially unwise.

    A major reason why Marxism and progressivism fails is that no country has been sufficiently wealthy to support their agenda.  It also doesn’t help that the those philosophies tend to make people less productive, thus making the nation poorer and less able to afford their agenda.

    Progressives keep whining that so and so has no heart, but if we can’t afford it, we can’t afford it.  If we bankrupt the country for the purpose of supporting compassionate programs we can’t afford, in the long run an even greater number will be poor and destitute.  That is the problem with Europe.  We (the US) are on the same path.  Europe is just ahead of the curve.

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    • jwilliamsComment by jwilliams
      September 26, 2011 @ 4:55 pm

      To paraphrase what Margaret Thatcher said, “The only problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of people to take money away from.”

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      September 26, 2011 @ 9:11 pm

      Do y’all know how Iowa got it’s “Friendly Gambling Law” passed?  The Atty Gen took State Troopers into the Midway of the Iowa State Fair and shut down all of chance games like ball tosses etc.  Sometimes effective enforcement precipitates change.  T.J.

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    • scotpondComment by scotpond
      September 27, 2011 @ 10:34 am

      Did ya’ll miss the story about how Dep of Immig went into full mode enforcement of deportation of illegals which meant kids brought here as babies were being sent back to countries where they don’t know anyone and don’t speak the language? They beat all previous records for numbers deported. BUT FOX news hasn’t noticed this so how would you know?

      Obama admin did it to stir the pot and make the point that enforcing current laws – for the first time in SEVERAL administrations – has consequences that might make reasonable people think that the laws need changing. 
      http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-hispanic-republicans/2011/05/12/obama-on-track-to-deport-1-million-undocumented-immigrants/ 

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    • AMVoterComment by AMVoter
      September 27, 2011 @ 12:49 pm

      How many worthless obama dollars did you get for that, leftist pond scum?  You really should ask for a transfer to another site because you are nothing but a joke.

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  24. VoiceOfReasonComment by VoiceOfReason
    September 26, 2011 @ 5:33 pm

    What kind of campaign advisors does Rick Perry have?  If any of them or Perry himself had spent any time with Tea Party members, they would have know the antipathy that we have for illegal aliens and the government giving benefits to illegal aliens.

    What Perry should have said (although that wouldn’t have excused the stupidity of signing the bill giving illegal aliens instate tuition) was, “2002 was a different time when we didn’t recognize the dangers of not controlling our borders and illegal immigration.  I recognize that I made a mistake in signing that bill, and I will work in Texas to repeal it.”

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  25. KBBComment by KBB
    September 26, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

    “…It’s a pity that he could not have phrased it differently or explained to the American people that what he did in Texas, is not what he plans to do on a national level….”

    Well, I prefer for politicians to use the words they mean, as Perry did, and not use phrasing and fuzzy language that hides their true opinions.  Maybe Perry didn’t explain that what he did in TX he would not do for America for the reason that….he WOULD do it for America.

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    • BethanyComment by Bethany
      September 27, 2011 @ 10:14 am

      I agree, KBB.  I don’t want to hear what any candidate’s advisors or campaign staff have to say.  I want to know how that candidate feels personally about the issues.  God bless.

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