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Limbaugh: Who Are the Real Religious Bigots?

By David Limbaugh

As the 2012 presidential race gears up, leftist Christophobes are showing some signs of hysteria -- or political opportunism; it's sometimes difficult to tell.

The New York Times' executive editor, Bill Keller, in a piece in The New York Times Magazine, argues that presidential candidates should be asked tough questions about their faith. Keller wants to know whether a candidate will place "fealty to the Bible, the Book of Mormon ... or some other authority higher than the Constitution and laws of this country" and "whether a president respects serious science and verifiable history." He wants to make sure "religious doctrine" does not become "an excuse to exclude my fellow citizens from the rights and protections our country promises." His colleague, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, followed up with a hit piece on "Republicans Against Science."

Keller is insatiably curious about whether Rick Perry subscribes to beliefs of certain pastors who endorse him and about Michele Bachmann's "mentors who preach the literal 'inerrancy' of the Bible, who warn Christians to be suspicious of ideas that come from non-Christians, who believe homosexuality is an 'abomination,' who portray the pre-Civil War South as a pretty nice place for slaves and who advocate 'Dominionism,' the view that Christians and only Christians should preside over earthly institutions."

It doesn't bother me if the media vet presidential candidates on their religious beliefs and associations, provided equal scrutiny is applied to all of them, including closet secularists. One's worldview invariably informs his political views, and information about those worldviews can't hurt.

But Keller's concern isn't with the religious beliefs of all candidates, only Christians, and not all Christians, just those who take the Bible seriously. He doesn't seem to have any problem with the religious beliefs of non-Christians or about charlatans who opportunistically pass themselves off as Christians. Wouldn't an objective reporter have as much interest in someone fraudulently proclaiming a certain faith as he does in one who sincerely professes a faith he finds repugnant?

Did President Obama, for example, subscribe to the noxious political and religious beliefs of his pastor Jeremiah Wright? If not, why did he attend church there for 20 years and have his children baptized in that church? If so, shouldn't Keller's leftist ilk have followed up on why Obama agrees with Wright? Is it merely accidental that Keller's candidate-faith anxiety is centered on conservative Christian candidates Bachmann and Perry?

Kellerian leftists shudder at the prospect of "irrational" and "reality-challenged" conservative Christians who question leftist dogma on global warming and evolution and who, they ludicrously believe, would turn America into a Christian theocracy. They want them nowhere near the seats of governmental power.

But what's irrational is their fear that Christians are enemies of religious liberty and advocates of theocracy. Never mind the strong Christian influence on America's founding. Never mind that most of America's presidents have been professing Christians. Liberty has no greater ally than believing Christians of all stripes.

If reality is their concern, why don't these leftists, instead of focusing on fantastic fears that a certain type of Christian president might shut down religious liberty, turn their attention to a president who is shutting down the economy? That's reality. Why don't they inquire into the realism of Barack Obama and his team of economic advisers, what's left of them, stubbornly clinging to an economic agenda that is manifestly destroying our economy and bankrupting our nation? Why don't they question the stability and rationality of a president who won't take responsibility for his policies, continues to scapegoat his predecessor and is preparing yet another speech, even as we speak, to promote the very same reckless spending policies that have driven this nation into a financial ditch?

I doubt that Keller is much interested in the answers to the questions he demands be raised of Perry and Bachmann. He thinks he already knows the answers but wants to incite fear in us about them. He seems more interested in smearing certain candidates with the slanderous innuendo of his questions, such as the preposterous ones designed to suggest that certain candidates are theocrats who believe Southern slavery was a good thing.

The reality is that throughout our history, the halls of American government have teemed with Bible-believing Christians, and they've never pushed for theocracy. Ironically, it is leftists who are far likelier to use the power of government to selectively suppress political and religious liberties. They are the ones behind the Fairness Doctrine, network neutrality rules, campus speech codes and preventing certain ideas from being presented, alongside all others, in public classrooms.

Once again, our leftist friends are projecting. They are the ones showing their religious bigotry and proselytizing us to adopt their secularist worldview.

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David Limbaugh is a writer, author and attorney. His latest book, "Crimes Against Liberty," was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller list for nonfiction for its first two weeks. Follow him on Twitter @davidlimbaugh and his website at www.davidlimbaugh.com.

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  1. inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
    August 30, 2011 @ 7:14 am

     
    Our Heaven blessed halls of Congress swarm with Socialist Sentinels of oppression. Are our pulses, are our minds, and is our courage now dead to resist them?  Are the sacrifices of blood and treasure by those American patriots who came before to secure OUR freedoms to be ignored forever? Has our patriotic DNA been so corrupted and so diluted by foreign influence, foreign ideas, and foreign invasion that there are none left among us to resist. Are our patriotic pulses so programmed to Socialist submission and subversion that we can no longer clearly see the real enemy? If our sons and daughters can travel thousands of miles to defend our shores from tyranny overseas, can we not walk 2 miles to a voting booth to battle the hard tyranny of Socialism at home in our schools, our government and our Universities?
     
    Fellow Americans I assure you, your patriotic blood runs as pure  as those founders if you will just listen to those long forgotten God inspired Constitutional verities whispering their truths to your minds that ignite  the beating of your own patriotic American hearts. These inspired hearts will know what to do when faced with oppression, be it overt in the streets, or subversive in our government. I pledge to you that no matter what station of American birth, what creed, what color, what sex,,,, when it comes to defending our freedoms at home or abroad, your patriotic blood runs as noble as the best, if you will just listen to your inner conscience, you will know what to do when the time comes. The now dysfunctional limbs of this Precious gift of American Body politic have been socialistically and progressively thrown out of joint. The enemy stands before us now, and it is for us and us alone to set things right. No force that these Liberal Progressive Socialist purveyors of tyranny can bring would dare oppose us once united in our Christian inspired Constitutional truths and spirit. Let the battle commence!
     
    E Pluribus Unum.
     

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    • FredComment by fdcampbell
      August 30, 2011 @ 8:27 am

      A rallying cry that must not be ignored.  Thank you inluminatuo for stating it so clearly.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 9:03 am

      “Let the battle commence” is right, with the armor of God! Prayer!

      The Bible clearly states this battle of the end times particularly in the Book of Revelation, also known as the Apocalypse!  This is the epic battle of good vs. evil, of believers vs non-believers and then there’s the worst kind of all — the God haters!

      Christians have sufferred and been killed since the beginning of time and that will continue to the end as we are “soldiers of Christ,” sons and daughters of light, and we will be fighting those who are not till the end of time.

      This is the revolt that St. Paul speaks about when those that Lucifer has insighted will turn against everything that is good and pertains to God.  The “great revolt” is before us now and we must rely on the armor of God and our faith to get us through.  All that is happening today was prophesied in the Bible and it is slowly but surely being fulfilled before our eyes.  There is absolutely nothing we can do to stop it, only slow it down, as it will take nothing short of God to completely destroy the abomination that will continue to progress as time goes on. 

      Religion is the major obstacle that stands in their way of this new world order and it must be eliminated from every facet of life, in particular the minds of many in order to implement a world that the progressives envision and will try forcefully to achieve.  Now is the time to ban together and fight for our God and country!

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 9:23 am

       
      The current Apocalypse began with the oratory pox from Obama’s Lips. He and his Secular Socialists wage war upon Christian believers at every turn in the guise of faux believers,  and all we do is turn the other cheek to the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Now is the time for the American People to re-enter the temple of Washington and turn over the tables of the money changers and sweep the temple of the building and the temple of the body clean so that the Holy Spirit can again enter and rule in sanity and blessing.
       
      Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition of HIS universal truths.
       

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 10:47 am

      Oops, wish these forums had an everlasting edit button.  I always see my mistakes when it’s too late.

      I typed “insighted” instead of Lucifer “incited.”  Hear, Hear, for an everlasting “edit” button!

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    • Texas GuyComment by TexasGuy
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:44 am

      Don’t worry about it, newsjunky, we’re not allowed to criticize or correct grammatical and/or spelling errors.  Just type away, your mistakes are all automatically forgiven.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

      Thanks!  Being a teacher I’m forced to admit my mistakes without letting them go unnoticed as I do so with my students.  If per chance anyone of my students sees that I try to practice what I preach, I’ll have done my job.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:46 pm

      Newsjunky:

      I don’t think you’ll find too many forums with an everlasting edit button. I’m just glad there’s one at all. On forums without this feature you have to correct the error by making a whole new post, and it almost seems like a waste of energy.

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  2. RWComment by RW
    August 30, 2011 @ 8:07 am

    If we just stuck to the CONSTITUTION, this wouldn’t be an issue, as in “NO religious test…”
     
    Jeeezzzz, media, make up yer minds….

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    • Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
      August 30, 2011 @ 10:58 am

      It might help if they had minds which were actually operable!

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  3. onewildmanComment by onewildman
    August 30, 2011 @ 8:21 am

    Christophobes, the best word describing these atheist and irreverent members of the mainstream media. They the media are the biggest  hypocrites in the nation they at every turn fail to live up to the credo that was once called journalism. They have long since become nothing but attack dogs of the liberals who now try to call themselves progressives.
    for those who have never read this:
    I believe in the profession of journalism.

    I believe that the public journal is a public trust; that all connected with it are, to the full measure of their responsibility, trustees for the public; that acceptance of a lesser service than the public service is betrayal of this trust.

    I believe that clear thinking and clear statement, accuracy and fairness are fundamental to good journalism.

    I believe that a journalist should write only what he holds in his heart to be true.

    I believe that suppression of the news, for any consideration other than the welfare of society, is indefensible.

    I believe that no one should write as a journalist what he would not say as a gentleman; that bribery by one’s own pocketbook is as much to be avoided as bribery by the pocketbook of another; that individual responsibility may not be escaped by pleading another’s instructions or another’s dividends.

    I believe that advertising, news and editorial columns should alike serve the best interests of readers; that a single standard of helpful truth and cleanness should prevail for all; that the supreme test of good journalism is the measure of its public service.

    I believe that the journalism which succeeds best — and best deserves success — fears God and honors Man; is stoutly independent, unmoved by pride of opinion or greed of power, constructive, tolerant but never careless, self-controlled, patient, always respectful of its readers but always unafraid, is quickly indignant at injustice; is unswayed by the appeal of privilege or the clamor of the mob; seeks to give every man a chance and, as far as law and honest wage and recognition of human brotherhood can make it so, an equal chance; is profoundly patriotic while sincerely promoting international good will and cementing world-comradeship; is a journalism of humanity, of and for today’s world.
    I couldn’t say any of the mainstream media that lives up to or even comes close to words written above. They are liberal biased to no ends. They ridicule people not because they deserve so but to sway public opinion. They praise liberals where no praise is deserved. They purposely fail to report news that shows liberals in a bad light. They are not journalist, they are nothing but propaganda writers and purveyors of misinformation and outright lies.
     
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 9:40 am

       
      .” We must fight the falsehoods with our truth, but we must also fight the falsehood in our own truth.”
       
      Reinhold Neihbur – Author of the Serenity Prayer.
       
       We are required to grasp two different but complimentary truths
       
      1)      Man’s capacity for justice makes democracy possible
       
      2)      Man’s inclination towards injustice makes democracy necessary.
       
       Christians must actively engage in the real world of politics. Thus is the kingdom of God which is not of this world made relevant to every problem of the world. But this very engagement forces one into the inherent moral ambiguity of politics, since order and justice depend on POWER., but power encourages and enables the powerful to dominate others. As Lord Acton said; “ Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely” , SO in the process Christians must resist the corruption of power and when in positions of power, use Christ’s example of sacrificing ourselves for the nation as he sacrificed himself for the Church. Resist the bribe, the grasp for power, the self-edification traps these Secular Liberals set for us at every turn and fall into themselves when unarmed with God’s truths and spirit to resist.
       

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  4. GHUComment by GHU
    August 30, 2011 @ 8:43 am

    Mr. Limbaugh, you are exactly right. Obama and the Progressives are the real Christophobes. As you said, where was the scrutiny of Obama’s “church”, minister and his beliefs before he was elected? Secularists and atheists want to drive religious beliefs out of politics and the USA, especially Christianity. Why? Maybe because Christians don’t subscribe to their moral relativism…..you know that there are still some things that are wrong (sins). They want everyone to “choose” what they want to do, except of course if you happen to disagree with them! As examples: They are forcing the Catholic Church out of the adoption business because they won’t let homosexual couples adopt children. They are trying to force the Catholic Church to include abortifacient drugs in their healthcare plans and trying to eliminate healthcare conscience clauses. Yes, Obama, Progressives/ Marxists,  the NY Times and most of the media are the REAL BIGOTS! 

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    • Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
      August 30, 2011 @ 10:46 am

      Exactly, if Mr Keller wishes to have candidates for the Presidency “vetted” for their faith, I suggest that he wait until both major party conventions are over and the nominees have been named. At that point even though Obama is a sitting President, he will again be a “candidate” for the office. I suggest that Mr. Keller start his religious “inquisition” with Obama before moving on to the Republican nominee, whom I assume will be my favorite candidate….ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!

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  5. kispComment by kisp
    August 30, 2011 @ 10:17 am

    It is one of the basic concepts of this great country that we have religious freedom, however it is also a fact that this country was also founded on Christian Theocracy; which is the basis of our faith to allow Religious freedom.  The President of this country should uphold that ideology and theocracy.  It has been historically founded that when the leader of this country remembers who is the true Founder and Creator of the United States of America, we are a prosperous and free nation.  Our founding human fathers reconized this simple truth and went into prayer before they made the decisions that made this country.  Allowing any group or contingency to move their fears and stupidity into our most basic concepts and force change is in itself an abomination.  There should be a returning to the Biblical model, let other religious ideas be free enough for expression, but not free enough to bring this country down.  We need to remember what the original idea was ” Freedom to express religion”  not destroy for self pandering.  God was at the beginning of this country, Jesus Christ has at the helm and it must remain as such if this country wants to prevail and survive.  We need to remain allies to Israel and servants to God.

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    • Texas GuyComment by TexasGuy
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:41 am

      You might want to look up the definition of “theocracy”.

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    • Texas GuyComment by TexasGuy
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:04 pm

      To expound a little, Muslims believe in theocracy (e.g. Sharia Law).  I’m sure none of us want that kind of government here.

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  6. onewildmanComment by onewildman
    August 30, 2011 @ 10:22 am

    I see the trolls are with us today.
     
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! !

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 10:58 am

      I noticed that too, the paid Democrat operatives of Conservative disruption came in about 10:00 am. Martin Luther (The real) called it right;

      ” Yet still the ancient foe, doth seek to work us woe,
         His craft and power are great”   

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      August 30, 2011 @ 1:40 pm

      About whom are you commenting, Onewildman?  V/r, T.J.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:12 pm

      TJ the ones who came while I was monitoring this page and refreshing so i could watch the change in ratings. Some people came through giving the one star treatment to all the post. I just cant believe that all the post would suddenly get negative at the same time. That tells me some just comes on and starts clicking on the single star to give the appearance that the post was not worth reading. That has the opposite effect here it compels me to read and comment if warranted. This happens on a regular basis here.
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! !

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:23 pm

      It is the same Liberal Progressive mischief maker Trolls in the Billy Goat Gruff story that keep promising you that when you cross thier bridge to the 20th century you will arive where the grass is sweet. They forget to mention the Trolls like Clintons and Obamas that dwell beneath the bridge and they have plenty of Socialist warts to infect you with. Just feel their disease in 2011.

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  7. ter334Comment by ter334
    August 30, 2011 @ 10:39 am

    Let’s do it, but do it for all candidates, especially closet muslims and secret secular humanists.  Secular humanism is legally a religion because the SC declared it was a religon several decades ago and maybe longer.   The muslims are of particular interest because they have essentially declared jihad, religious war, against the entire human race that is not muslim!  Plus they want to bring honor killings, stoning to death, harems, and the unification of mosque and state so they are the same govt.  I presume muslim states provide funds to build, operate, and pay salaries of clerics.  This merger of state and mosque is not allowed here in the America.  Here the govt has it’s monopoly, which includes putting you in prison, fining you and taxing you, while ‘the’ church has it’s monopoly, sort of anyway, of teaching that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and God is 3 persons in one God, and all it can do if one is rebellious is excommunicate you.  But unlike China and other places perhaps, the govt can’t appoint or approve whom is Bishop.  O certainly would not like to stop there and would, as head of the world govt, appoint the pope.  Govt has all the temporal power, while Christianity has the Truth, salvation, forgiveness and love, spiritual goods. 

    Yesterday I learned the clearest summation of what America is all about.  Here, God is soverign over man (with love, not jihad), and man is soverign over govt!  This is the pehaps the only place on planet earth where this is true? 

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:04 am

      We had one of these Islamic honor killings in Lewisville Texas 2 years ago when Muslim Taxi driver dad killed his two teenage daughters and then fled the country becasue they dared date a non-believing American infidel. Welcome to the one world secular Liberal ideal of Democracy and one world government.

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    • SFret (Jim)Comment by sfret
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:29 am

      I’m not even gonna spell check this.  What you see is what you get.

        Sorry for the low rating Inluminatuo.  I’ve been telling my fellow Tea Party Patriots that we shouldn’t be telling the foe we are pacifists.  If you don’t “carry a big stick”, nobody listens.  Words alone will not fix this problem.

      Give your life?  I’m a retired Green Beret.  I am disabled but the V.A. drags its feet.  I see high school dropouts with phones, TV and most of all the comforts the middle class have, yet the government passes out the doe to them.  Yet, all Americans forget about us who served and gave our bodies up for higher ideals.

      Proof you want?  What is the #1 issue in America?  Is it the war?  No, it’s jobs.  Is it the Veterans disabilities?  No.  It’s the Economy.  It’s no wonder we are two faced.  We yell America out of patriotism and speak of its betrayal while we suffer and are FORGOTTEN by the very “Tea Party Patriots” we protected.

      You might as well put on a vest, walk into THE building, and pull the cord.    America is about money and welfare.  There aren’t enough patriots with character to put priorities in order.  A disorderly army is better referred to as a “Target”.

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  8. knorskeComment by knorske
    August 30, 2011 @ 10:42 am

    David…Thank you for bringing to light one of the most basic problems we face.  As the founding fathers often remarked, and history shows (if we were to rely on an unaltered version), they based their actions on the teachings of the Bible.

    Our earlier students, for instance, learned to read using the Bible.  I believe you will discover our oldest institutions of higher learning were established as religious schools (yes, even Yale and Harvard).

    God has said if we turn our backs on Him, He will do likewise.

    We will do well to pray God Bless America.      

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    • Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
      August 30, 2011 @ 10:51 am

      I do not believe God will ever turn his back on the truly faithful, but I do believe he will do exactly that during the next election and it will be a powerful “shunning”!

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:01 am

      Considering the statistics — looks as though you’re right!  His poll numbers are sinking into oblivion and the people seem to be falling away in droves.  Hope it continues as things can go awry with ever passing day.

      I don’t believe God will turn his back on the truly faithful either, but it will be a tough road to ride as things according to the Good Book will get much worse before it gets better.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:09 pm

      Anyone who states that God doesn’t pour out judgment upon the earth for the iniquity of sins, knows absolutely nothing about the Bible.

      As it states in the Book of Daniel, God is in control of everything even the air that we breathe and punishment for sin is a common thread in the entire Bible from beginning to end.  That is not something that anyone can deny.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 5:31 pm

      God indeed causes the rain to fall upon both the good and the evil, but come the harvest time the wheat is gathered into the barn and the weeds thrown into the fire. Remember this come harvest time in the fall of 2012.

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  9. just4givenComment by just4given
    August 30, 2011 @ 11:11 am

    Part of the trouble – a LARGE part of the trouble IMHO – is recognized “leaders” within the church that spout a social gospel and proclaim a Jesus that never existed to plant seats in the pews and fill their coffers. We see the likes of the ecumenical Rick Warren and the wishy-washy Joel Osteen pegged as leaders of this new and improved version of Christianity. The highest priority of men such as these is to present the Gospel as non-offensive and seeker sensitive. Anyone who knows the ministry of Christ and the martyrdom of the Apostles understnads that the Name of Jesus offends those who walk outside His radiance. Yet, the mega-wolves have seats to fill and books to sell – training other “pastors” to lay a new foundation that has prescious little to do with the cross or the ressurection.

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  10. sureshot32Comment by sureshot32
    August 30, 2011 @ 11:20 am

    It’s hard for me to believe that here in 2011, we still have (tons of) people who believe in some of these ridiculous notions. Apocalypse? Lucifer? Christophobes???
     
    When I read some of these comments, I feel like I’ve been transported into some alternate universe where Thor and Spirit Warriors exist.
     
    And anyone who thinks there’s some large Christophobic conspiracy going on here, you really need to examine this nation more closely. The United States of America is a Christian hegemony, where nearly everyone is affiliated with a Christian church of one kind or another. Catholic, Evangelical, Mormon, whatever… a sweeping majority of Americans are one type of Christian or another. There is no vast conspiracy against Christians because the very people you are accusing of being “Christophobes” are Christians themselves.

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:45 am

      You see the ACLU doing battle with Islam? You see accomodations being made for Muslims that would NEVER be made for the Christian – such as “foot baths” being built at public universities? Mormonism is not Christian. Truth be known, in theology it is closer to Islam. Jesus was a good teacher -but not a god.

      Of this super-majority that you proclaim – a solid majority haven’t set foot in a church outside of Christmas and Easter for years, have no idea the essentials of the faith – and could really care less. I can say I’m a Mustang, sleep in the garage and drink motor oil. That doesn’t make it true any more than calling myself a Christian makes me a Christian. Anyone – such as our inferior leaader Obama – can say they are a Christian. As Christ Himself said, you will know them by their fruits.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:47 am

      Well…sureshot32 nobody cares what you think about religion. They have the right to believe and you have no right to judge. Can you disprove there is a God and can you prove that man evolved as stated in “The Theory of Evolution? You cant just as no one else has been able to. It takes just as much faith to believe in the theory of evolution as it does to believe in GOD.
       Yes there are people who are Christophobic. I have read there reactions that they have. They get noxious when the see a cross. They somehow feel that a cross remembering someone who was killed in the line of duty is an affront to them forcing religion on them.
      They running around misquoting the Constitution by saying “separation of church and state”. they only do this to christian symbols. They even came out of the wood work to yell freedom of religion for the Ground Zero Mosque. i have not herd one them complain about the millions the US government is giving them all the while they would not allow a historical Greek Orthodox church to be rebuilt. They made some comment that the architecture didn’t fit in. I also bet if funds were made available from the government to help rebuild the atheist would be out screaming about separation of church and state.
       One more example: Some atheist from Texas travailing through Utah saw crosses erected along side the highway in memorial to a state trooper who died on that spot.
      they filed a law suit to have them removed because they claimed it was a state sponsored endorsement of the christian religion. Now that is christophobia. No one was telling anyone to believe in GOD or become christian.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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    • GHUComment by GHU
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:56 am

      sureshot32: It’s hard for me to believe that here in 2011 you have a clue about Christianity. There are those who may call themselves “Christian” (like Obama) and real Christians who actually believe in God, Jesus, the Bible, Sin, Hell and Satan! If you don’t want to believe in these things that’s your option. Yes there IS conspiracy against real Christian beliefs!

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    • Texas GuyComment by TexasGuy
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:36 pm

      Please quote the Biblical verse that says we should stop believing by such-and-such a date.  Any date will do…doesn’t need to be 2011.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

      Sureshot32:

      The only alternate universe that you’ve been transported to is “LaLa Land.”  Examining the nation as you stated is only part and parcel of the picture, the other part is the Bible that we believers take seriously.

      You call “Lucifer, and the Apocalypse” ridiculous notions because obviously you are in the realm of those who don’t believe.  Your entitled to your opinions sureshot32, as we are of ours which are openly displayed in our commentaries.

      Your insane remark about Christianity not being under threat with all the hostilities abounding everywhere in this country, and abroad, against Christians is totally unreal, and only proves your ignorance of world affairs and your distaste of religious conversations, be it here on this forum, and probably elsewhere as well. 

      Judging from your absurd remarks and your inane analogies of what you’ve read, suffice it to say, you’re on the wrong forum. 

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    • liberty49Comment by liberty49
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:07 pm

      I’m sorry, did you miss that speech of Obama’s in which he stated that America is not a Christian nation? Or his attack on gun-toting, bible thumping Tea Party supporters? And like-minded remarks made by Nancy Pelosi about fearing the Tea Party and saying they were like the Nazis? There is plenty of evidence that they fear Christians because if we ever get the denominations to join against a common foe, we, Christians could defeat ANYBODY AND ANYTHING.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

      Mathew 7:21

      21
      “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
       

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  11. ter334Comment by ter334
    August 30, 2011 @ 11:30 am

    In islam and all totalitarian states govt is soverign over their subjects, citizens. 

    And God did not fom or recommend any type govt.  Jesus created a church not a govt.  And then in the OT, what did God, throught Moses do?  He lead the jews out of slavery, by govt who else, into freedom.  Then it is entirely possible He was thinking, You will be sorry for having a king and trusting the king instead of Me when Israel gve up their freedom for king type security?

    Apparently some of our ancestors learned whom to trust bcause they put on our money “In God we Trust”, instead of in govt we trust.  Actually in god we trust may be a warning to make sure we keep in mind what Jesus said.  Render unto God what is God’s and unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.    We can see what happens when we render evrything unto Caesar by looking at the situation  in Islam.  If Islam didn’t have oil, they would have nothing except camels, jihad and islam.  They would not have anything to export.  Like in Egypt. 

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  12. SFret (Jim)Comment by sfret
    August 30, 2011 @ 11:34 am

    If my Christian brothers would TRY to live by the word, this problem would be but a speck.  But, it’s the Plank in our own eye that others see.

    Compassion is part of us being a Christian.  It is for us to help the downtrodden.  Not the government.  But, we’ve abdicated that role.  It’s not right for us to protest on one hand yet tell those who truly deserve our mission on there own.

    I have mixed feelings on this one.  I would rather we did better at HOME mission work than build crystal cathedrals and monuments to ourselves.  We need to make room for both patriotism and compassion.    

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 11:50 am

      Amen – leave compassion in the hands of the church and the non-profits. The government has no business in the business of charity. I know in my little corner of the world – my church does just this. I found out Sunday that the local high school wants to start charging us $1000 to use the football field to hand out backpacks, clothing and school supplies to the needy in the community starting next year. Thank you – no. We will find another location to help these 2500 children next year.

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    • liberty49Comment by liberty49
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

      Check your figures. Republicans and Christians do far more to help their fellow man both here at home and in foreign nations than any Progressive government agency.

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  13. jorje44Comment by jorje44
    August 30, 2011 @ 11:35 am

    Do we want a President who takes direction from God? Warren Jeffs takes his directions from God. Torquemada took his directions from God. Osama Bin Laden took his directions from God.

     

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:00 pm

       You wouldn’t have the liberties you have today if Christian men like Washington and Madison hadn’t paved the way and laid the framework of this country on the foundation of Jesus Christ.

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    • jorje44Comment by jorje44
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:08 pm

      The United States of America was founded on the Constitution. The Constitution does not mention either God or Jesus Christ.

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    • genesalComment by genesal
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:15 pm

      @jorje44
      But the Declaration of Independence did and without the Declaration of Independence there would be no Constitution.
      America was founded on Christian Principles by those who wrote the Constitution.

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    • jorje44Comment by jorje44
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:21 pm

      Hi Genesal,
      The Constitution is the law of the land, the Declaration is not.
      Can you tell us what Christian principles you’re talking about? Ten Commandments?

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    • genesalComment by genesal
      August 30, 2011 @ 12:35 pm

      @ jorge44
      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed . . . .
      Plain enough?
      And thus the Constitution was written accordingly.

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 1:12 pm

      jorge44 – I can make a much better case for the Christian foundation of this country by the actions of the founders. They held services at the treasury Sunday. These service did not honor Allah or Buddha – but the Lord Jesus Christ.

      We have quotes of men such as Jefferson –
      “[T]he clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists.” Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush on September 23, 1800.

      Of the framers, Jefferson is tame in his view of the faith. Now, we have the ACLU trying to equate the terms “endorsement” with “establishment”. Only the indcotrinated do not understand the difference. Unfortunately, there are far too many that have been indoctrinated by the frivolous “separation” that also elevates anti-establishment over personal free exercise. It isn’t one or the other – but both. The only way to achieve both is to realize that your freedom where mine begins. Got it?

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    • jorje44Comment by jorje44
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:10 pm

      I think the founders of this nation were most wise when they explicitly decided not to mention God in the Constitution.

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    • rosechComment by rosech
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

      The were fundamentalists and not real Christians.  Like Obama and many politicians, it was a matter of power over life and death.  They did not follow Christian beliefs.  People are human.  God did not send his Son to save saints, but us.  It is up to us with supposed reasoning power to correct and make things better, but a human failing is to lord it over others in any way possible.  You can say God or the Devil made you do it, but it is really you doing it, or you can blame others as has Obama and he is causing the problem and is definitely not part of the solution.  May God have mercy on his soul!

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

      Jorje44:  Well said.

      Our Constitution was conceived and designed to protect religious freedom, not to enforce religion.

      Basing a document on certain religious principals does not equate to enforcing a specific faith.

      Remember when all of the fundamentalists, Baptists especially, all had their shorts in a wad about Jack Kennedy taking orders from the Pope?  Now the same folks want God or the Bible ruling their candidates decisions.  I think that pretty well falls under the criteria for hypocracy.  What d’ ya’ thaaank?

      I want a God-loving person in the White House too, and we can do that, but we primarily need a conservative who will lead us out of this mess.  So lets not run off voters, because we have backed a good candidate into some narrow religious cubby-hole.

      V/r, T.J.

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    • SAnnComment by SAnn
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:24 pm

      Tell me you were really not serious about Warren Jeffs taking his directions from God.
      Warren Jeffs lives by his own god, himself, not the God our Father who gave his son to die to save our souls.  Do not place him as a believer of Jesus Christ or God of the bible. He is someone who believes he deserves to be a god to be worshiped. He has ruled his polygamist sect and is as bad as the Taliban Islamist that treat women as the lowest of any animal they own and have kept them uneducated for immoral purposes and as their slaves to murder or beat when it serves their purpose. Jeffs married children just as the Muslims marry children and they deserve nothing that leads to God our father who gave his son Jesus Christ to save us.  

      Good grief! Where do you get your information? Have you ever read the bible where God our Father speaks of false prophets? I suggest you do!

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:56 pm

      AAAH ME, Jorge44 is at it again. Sombody left the troll door open, and he’s Baaack.

      Your list of madmen, take their directions from false G-ds.  They worship at the feet of the golden calf.  Evil is as evil does. I can go on, but I fear it will be a waste of time, with you.

      You can add Obummer’s name to that list as well.  He takes his directions Mohammid, an evil madman, who takes his orders from Allah, an evil and angry G-d, who hates everyone that is not a Muslim.

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  14. JDZComment by JDZ
    August 30, 2011 @ 12:03 pm

    What you are seeing is typical progressive “mis-direction” to take the public’s attention away from the major problems affecting our country. In every election cycle, you can count on the Democrats/progressive campaign activists to stir up investigations and allegations focused on abortion rights, gay and lesbian rights, tax breaks to the rich, racial discrimination, and of course, religious beliefs and there impact on government policy and leadership. All of this is designed to create an image of their opponents that confuses voters as to the candidates underlying motives and policies with regard to these issues. This strategy has always worked to turn women voters (abortion issue), non Christian voters and others who are unsure (conflict with regard to strong religious beliefs), and feed the class warfare argument (tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the poor), etc.

    You will see more and more of this coupled with any other personal “dirt” they can find about a candidate to distort and present in an out of context manner as the elections get closer. I understand that the latest issue the liberals have dug up on Gov Perry is a medical procedure he had done in
    Japan where he had stem cells grown specifically for him out of his own body cells injected into his back for a disc problem he had. Really, none of anyone’s business, however, watch how they try to make this into something that depicts Perry as someone who is willing to bend the rules for any self serving reason, etc.

    The good thing about this is that we can judge how much trouble the liberal candidate (in this case Obama) is in based on the how much of this kind of misdirection goes on during the campaign. They know that they are going to have big problems defending the performance of President Obama and his minions and the damage they have done and continue to do to the country.

    It also highlights how much progress these Socialists (who actually hate anyone with strong religious beliefs) have made in undermining our American value system over the last 50 years that they can brazenly demean and undermine Christianity and get away with it.

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  15. jorje44Comment by jorje44
    August 30, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

    Does anyone here agree with Michele Bachmann – the recent earthquake and hurricane were a “message from God”?

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    • Chris BComment by Chris B
      August 30, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

      God is often sought where He is not and often not sought out where He is.  So too are His messages.

      (1 Kings 19:11-13)Then the LORD said: Go out and stand on the mountain before the LORD; the LORD will pass by. There was a strong and violent wind rending the mountains and crushing rocks before the LORD—but the LORD was not in the wind; after the wind, an earthquake—but the LORD was not in the earthquake; after the earthquake, fire—but the LORD was not in the fire; after the fire, a light silent sound. When he heard this, Elijah hid his face in his cloak and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave.

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 1:38 pm

      Could it be? Yes. Is it? God alone knows that answer. It is equal parts idiocy to speak where God hasn’t spoken as it to deny what God has spoken. Anyone who empahtically pronounces God’s judgment in a natural disaster is guilty of playing God. Anyone who denies the possiblity is guilty of idolatry. I guess you have to pick your posion. As a pprofessed believver, Michele’s indiscretion is covered by the cross. What about yours?

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    • cagirlComment by cagirl
      August 30, 2011 @ 1:57 pm

      I think the message here is that because our so called leader, Obama, proclaiming that we are not a Christian nation and all of the other non-Christian acts he has done, God’s hand of protection is lifting up and He is allowing these things to happen.  He doesn’t cause destruction.  But He does allow it so hopefully we will cry out to him.  
      I’m asking God that a praying, true Christian man or woman be put in the White House, as soon as possible.
       

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    • jorje44Comment by jorje44
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:06 pm

      Was God giving anyone a message when that tornado tore through Joplin? If so, what was it?

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:21 pm

      jorge44 – you tell me. I don’t speak unless God has spoken. IF God were to cast judgment on a nation, it would be for one of two reasons. 1) It’s immorality – we have been headed down that road for a long time. 2) The more recent phenomena of this administration’s dangerous policy toward Israel. These are words that God has spoken and actions He has taken.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

      People who point to natural disasters and blame them on God are not knowledgable of what God said in the Bible.  In John 10:10 Jesus clearly said that the thief (Satan) comes only to steal, kill, and destroy, but that He (Jesus) came that we might have life and have it more abundantly.  Some Biblical scholars have referred to this verse as the “dividing line” of the Bible.  If something is used to kill, steal, or destroy then it is not from God during this diepensation of time.  There are preachers who like to make outrageous comments such as America will be punished because of homosexuality or God will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomarrah.  But the fact is that those cities were existing during a different dispensation and were dealt with in a different manner.  We are still living in the dispensation of grace, and God does pour out punishment in the form of natural disasters just to “send us a message”.  God’s “message” is found in His word, the Bible, and that’s why we are told to “study to show ourselves approved” by righting dividing the Word.

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    • SFret (Jim)Comment by SFret (Jim)
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

      bna42 hit the nail on the head.  I tire of my family and friends who attribute everything to God.  Things like “God told me to open a womans shelter” etc.  And, when something falls through, they say it is God’s will.

      I call this BLAMING GOD.  It’s like the AIDS epidemic.  Fundamentalists and my Pentecostal friends say it is to punish the gays.  I say, it is natural law.  If you engage in non-monogamous sexual behavior, you increase the chance of catching a disease.  Worse yet, you make an unplanned baby.  I’m sure God will send a real sign to confirm anything he feels like sending a message to.  PLEASE.  QUIT BLAMING GOD.
       

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    • genesalComment by genesal
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:13 pm

      @ SFret
      The Natural Law that you espouse has an origination. 
      The universe obeys certain rules—laws to which all things must adhere. These laws are precise, and many of them are mathematical in nature. Natural laws are hierarchical in nature; secondary laws of nature are based on primary laws of nature, which have to be just right in order for our universe to be possible. But, where did these laws come from, and why do they exist? If the universe were merely the accidental by-product of a big bang, then why should it obey orderly principles—or any principles at all for that matter? Such laws are consistent with biblical creation. Natural laws exist because the universe has a Creator God who is logical and has imposed order on His universe (Genesis 1:1)

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:23 pm

      BNA42:

      For anyone to state that God does not mete out punishment for the inquity of man is totally insane.  The entire Bible from beginning to end proclaims punishment for those who have violated the commandments of God and goes into details concerning their punishment.  The Bible is more than one third prophecy and doesn’t mince words when it comes to the judgment that will befall mankind. 

      In the Book of Daniel it clearly states that God is in control of everything including the very air that we breathe.  “Be not afraid of those who can take the body, but be afraid of Him who can take both body and soul.”

      “Natural disasters” are considered as such from a scientific perspective and from secular people who consider it all to be rubbish, but Matthew 24 and many other Books of the Bible consistently tell us differently.  They laughed and ridiculed Noah before the flood and so it will be till the very end, which is what the Lord stated himself.

      To believe otherwise, is to never have read the Bible, but only to deliver personal opinions totally devoid of truth.

      Michele Bauchman should have stuck to her guns as she spoke words that were taken from prophets with a lot more familiarity with God than any of us

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:56 pm

      jorje44, I think you miss the point when people say it was God’s will. They aren’t blaming God that would translate to angry with God. They are just excepting that maybe that was not the plan that god had for them. For that to happen you must believe in God. As for AIDS being  from God as punishment that too requires faith but not likely or all gays would have AIDS.
       I believe in free will God gave you a brain and it’s up to you to do the right thing as when judgment day comes it will be your actions that will determine your final destination. If you don’t believe then just live life the way you want and when you die you will know the truth. There is however a fine line between blaming and accrediting God for good or bad things that happen. I think most people are just giving credit and not placing blame at his feet.
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      August 30, 2011 @ 5:15 pm

      Jorje44:

      “Was God giving anyone a message when that tornado tore through Joplin? If so, what was it?”

      Yes. “Take Cover!” and “Get out of your trailor!”   T.J.

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    • liberty49Comment by liberty49
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:13 pm

      I prefer to think that they are caused by Satan because a loving father does not send such things to teach his children a lesson.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:27 pm

      The Loving father disciplines the child he loves. he does not cause the evil to punish, but just backs off when we stupidly disobey his teachings and lets us suffer the consequences of our own foolishness. This is why the Liberal NEVER learns God’s lessons because there is always some Self-Appointed Self-God secular Progressive wealth redistributing Liberal that stands between corrective hunger and God’s corrective discipline. This is why Like a Dog returning to his vomit, the Socialist fool returns to his folly.

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  16. mcrankComment by mcrank
    August 30, 2011 @ 12:43 pm

    We are reminded of an earlier article whereby Michele Bachmann was asked by a Media reporter if she would be submissive to her husband.

    I find it rather interesting—and often amusing—at how the Media poses such ridiculous questions and embarks on witch hunts in an area which they have no real knowledge of whatsoever.  I have seen many instances where a reporter would quote a passage from The Bible in advance of some trick question, using it as bait to try and ensnare someone because of their admission to being Christian.

    It’s bad enough that there are so many professing Christians who want to beat sincere Christians over the head with their supposed Bible knowledge, but then there is an enormous secular audience that is very quick to point out “what The Bible says” like they are God-ordained police of right and wrong.

    Non-Christian people react more out of ignorance than they do fear—although the vast majority of them will cite some “fear” that they have a phobia about as a reason for their paranoia.  To most of these people, science is their god and they just cannot fathom how God and science can co-exist.  Yet, there have been many scientific discoveries that confirm information found in The Bible.  Archaeologists are continually unearthing ruins and remains that substantiate historical and cultural details given in The Bible.  Little by little, the gap between science and The Bible is narrowing.  As in all things Liberal, the more proof and validity there is regarding Christianity, the existence of God, and the authenticity of The Bible—the more of a hoax they proclaim it to be.  Self-willed disbelief.

    In putting questions of faith to the candidates, the Media should exercise a greater vigilance in bringing to light those belief systems that threaten our Judeo-Christian foundation and that seek to destroy our social mores and code of conduct.  It is these systems that embrace moral degradation, unreigned permissiveness, and an intolerance for the Christianity they allege is a threat.  If we are the enemy, then why is it that everything Christian is what is always under attack?  Who is trying to run over whom?

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:10 pm

      Mcrank:  I am a devout Christian, but God gave me a brain.  The Bible was written by and for people who knew nothing about astro-physics, micro-biology, genetics, the universe, etc.  Even, hypothetically, if the writers knew all of these things, who would have understood it?  Both testiments were written by simple, tribal people with very limited or no knowledge of the world in which they lived.

      Would you want a doctor, who never studied anything but the Bible?  Would you want your wife or kids tested and/or treated for cancer by someone who had only read the Bible?  Maybe you do.  I don’t know?  But I sure as heck wouldn’t.

      You say that science and the Bible are coming closer together.  In some cases yes.  Archeological findings have been verifying Bible stories, but those stories were never disputed by science and history, just considered unproven or lost to history.

      Creation, on the other hand, just plain didn’t happen like it says in Genesis.  Light, emmited from the furthest star systems, takes 13 Billion lightyears to be seen on Earth.  How could that be, if creation is only 6,000 years old?

      I don’t want a President that ignorant.  S/he can’t even make valid decisions about military weaponry and national health, because they deny science.  There are atheistic scientists, but knowing science does not make one an atheist. 

      Furthermore, I don’t believe MIchiele Bachman, Sarah Palin or Rick Perry beleive that creation was created in six days, 6,000 years ago.  Mike Huckabee might, but, secretly, I doubt he doesn’t either.  Someone on here is a school teacher.  I’ll bet she doesn’t teach physics, chemistry or biology in a public school. 

      You know folks, that’s another reason fundamentalist evangelicals frighten moderate voters.  Educated people see them, as not only uneducated, but revelling in their ignorance, as if it were a virtue.

      All I have to say is keep up the “good work” folks, and enjoy Obama for another four years.

      V/r, T.J.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      August 30, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

      Tejanojack, 

      Isn’t it beautiful, that even those of us who are scientists and mathematicians, have to recognize the absolute and intricate order of the universe. The great minds of history, from Aristotle all the way to Einstein and Hawkings, all recognize some devine order of things. 

      After the big bang (now even that is being questioned) when the dust setteled, everything fell into perfect order. Matter coalesced, stars and planets formed, galexys appeared, atoms formed moeicules.  Molecules formed amino acids, amino acids formed life and life evolved and here we are.   I believe, all, as ordained in some way, by our devine creator.

      Only G-dless Atheiests, Secular Progressives, Marxists and Communists,  believe in the G-d of self.
      They are above everything in the universe and think they are better and worhier to be on this earth, than the rest of us common biengs.

      They are a break in the fabric of existance. A festering wound that G-d will eventually heal. And heal, He will, provided we take matters into our own hands.  Remember, G-d helps those that help themselves, and I might add, believe in Him.

      I mean these words for ALL G-dly people, for we are in a great war. A  time when there are two kinds of people out there.  Those that believe in G-d and those that don’t.

      We might call ourselves by different names, some worship in Cathdrials, some in country churches and synagogues, some simply believe and pray in their homes, some, rise before the dawn to climb a mountain and face the east, when at that instant of dawning, that instant and fleeting flash of first sunlight strikes their face, tells them G-d is greeting their day.

      To deny all this, as the non-believers do, is to deny our very existance.

      We must not allow them to win this war.  We must fight them in our places of worship, we must fight them in our public places and most importantly, we must fight them at the ballot box. 

      We cannot afford to lose.

       

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  17. dwcoteComment by dwcote
    August 30, 2011 @ 12:48 pm

    A religious test is unconstitutional. Just because liberals don’t pay attention to the constitution doesn’t mean conservatives don’t. Conservatives believe in the constitution.

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    • tejanojackComment by tejanojack
      August 30, 2011 @ 5:05 pm

      dwcote:   Well said, but I would add,  ”Real” conservatives believe in the Constitution. 

      V/r, T.J. 

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  18. Chris BComment by Chris B
    August 30, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

    I love the statement of Bill Keller, “whether a president respects serious science and verifiable history.”   I always find that people who talk about “serious science” aren’t really being serious in the first place.  History isn’t always that easily “verifiable” either.  In general people who argue these sorts of things are really arguing for the blind worship of the “status quo.” 

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    • rosechComment by rosech
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:21 pm

      Real science?  What is it?  Science is always updating as more information becomes available.  It is not graven in stone and never has been.  I don’t care if the candidate knows any science, just follow the Constitution and be a leader.  There is a lot of false science floating around so power and money-hungry people (i.e., Al Gore) get richer on false science.  Get this country back on track with ethics, morals and right thinking, and we can be great again.  Let’s get a candidate with ethics, morals and right thinking as our leader.  Remember no one is perfect, but we can certainly strive to get someone a hell of a lot better than what we now have as prez and legislators.  They need to know they work for us, and not we for them!

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  19. SFret (Jim)Comment by sfret
    August 30, 2011 @ 1:31 pm

    Chris B.  Come on.  There is a lot of voodoo science out there.  I think they made up the word “charlatan” for these guys who manipulate the findings.  The earth goes through mini ice ages and dry parching as a cycle.  It’s recorded in history.  How many times have they said too much of something will hurt you then come back 20 years later and say they were wrong (the latest is the use of SALT).  Even the atheist should know to test science.  I got tired of putting leaches on my body to cure things.

      

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    • rosechComment by rosech
      August 30, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      Right on!  See my comment above relative to same.  We who know science, know it updates just like our computers!

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  20. SFret (Jim)Comment by SFret (Jim)
    August 30, 2011 @ 1:37 pm

    Sorry about the avatar.  New computer.  Gotta transfer the pics.

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  21. tejanojackComment by tejanojack
    August 30, 2011 @ 2:21 pm

    Do you know folks, what my biggest worry is about this coming election?  It is that the evangelical religious zealots in the Republican party will drive off enough moderates and independents for Obama to win.
     

    The gay marriage issue is a prime example.  I don’t give a flyin’ flip what the gays do.  It doesn’t effect me.  It doesn’t amount to a f*rt in a sandstorm, especially when we are looking down the barrel at a $15Trillion debt and the end of the American Era.  But the religious right would shoot a hole in the boat just to kill a garter snake.
     

    It is a proven, scientific, fact that genuine homosexuality is genetically determined.  Basta – finito! 

    The left just loves it, when the Bible thumpers get going with their Old Testament, hell-fire and damnation stuff, because it frightens off middle-of-the-road voters.  Remember, even though most Americans believe “marriage” is a sacred bond between a man and a woman, most Americans could care less about what gays do and most Americans are fearful of religious sects imposing their religious beliefs into the Constitution. 

    The purpose of the Constitution is narrow; it was designed for governance.  The rest of law is statutory and prodiminately left to the States.  For example, pornography laws are relegated to the States for local determination.  The gay marriage issue is the same.
     

    The Constitution was designed as a framework for governance for all of the people.  It was designed to protect religious freedom.  It was not designed to enforce a specific faith.  I know what I’m talking about.  I studied Constitutional Law and History in college.  I have actually read what the framers wrote, said and intended in the Constitution.  I’ve read their original words.  Yes, the Constitution is based upon Judeo-Christian law and ethics, as is the case for all Western and many Eastern nations.  However, basing a law on a certain ethic and credo, does not equate to enforcing and imposing that faith and credo.  See the difference? 

     
    Do you know what’s even more dangerous folks?  It’s the fear.  I always wonder how many people feel the same as I do, but who are afraid to speak up for fear of rejection and reprisal from their peers?  I personally know lots of folks who agree with me, but are fearful of saying it publicly.  You can cut it with a knife down here in the deep South.  I know.  I’ve experienced it.  Even on this blog; when one expresses some common sense about the gay issue, people start calling names and accusing folks of being “trolls”, “apostate Christians” and “closet gays”.  Reminds me of the McCarthy years.  BTW, on the blogs. I am actually seeing some folks say “old ”Tail-gunner Joe” was right after all”.  

    I’ll tell you right now, few things are more important to people than their religious freedom and they will make that known at the polls.  Right wing, evangelical zealots deeply frighten Christians of other faiths, not to mention citizens of non-Christian faiths.  You folks even try to pre-empt the term “Christian” as if anyone who is not a fundamentalist evangelical, is not a Christian.  How dare you?  Who elected you as God? 

    Be advised, If you want Obama re-elected, just keep up the “good work”.

    V/r, T.J.

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    • GHUComment by GHU
      August 30, 2011 @ 6:13 pm

      Apparently you learned more than the Constitution in College. The left’s liberal brainwashing and moral relativism has worked on you.  

      Here’s some info for you, “tejanojack”:  there is NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF  ”that genuine homosexuality is genetically determined”! I too don’t care what the LGBT people do (in the privacy of their homes). What I do object to is calling what they do a “MARRIAGE” and forcing everyone to accept it as normal and  imposing their beliefs on everyone.

      Be advised, if YOU want the USA to be a prosperous nation again you will need someone who is a fiscal and a MORAL conservative! 

      “For Those Who Understand No Explanation is Necessary!
      For Those Who Do Not Understand No Explanation is Possible!” 

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 8:45 pm

      tejanojack – We hear people are born alcoholic too. Shall we give them a case of beer and our car keys? BEHAVIOR is not the cause for special rights. That’s right – special rights. Any adult has the very same ability – to marry one person of the appropriate age and opposite sex. If it is bigoted for we orthodox Christians to have such a narrow view of marriage, then isn’t it equally as bigoted for the gay lobbyists to draw a new line? The polygamists are already gearing up, following the same pattern. ALL LAWS discrimate against behavior. That is the very essence and purpose of law. Marriage is either defiined, or it has no meaning at all.  

      One can’t modufy their skin color, so that BS doesn’t wash. One can modify their behavior. How one can choose not to and call themself a “christian” amazes me. The Bible speaks of the transformation and renewal associated with those who are “born again”. It speaks of putting off the desires of the flesh that are incompatible with the Christian walk.

      If you do not take the Scripture value you are to the Christian faith what the RHINO is to the GOP. What does Jesus Christ mean to you personally? From the terms you use to describe the brethren, I gather not much. US “fundamental zealots” share the doctrine that was established by the Apostles that walked with Jesus Christ and the church fathers who learned from them. I make no aplogies for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If it is offensive to you, then you need to re-evaluate your faith. Read Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5. If you claim to be in the faith, yet speak or practice heresy – the church has the obligation to take you to task.     

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 30, 2011 @ 9:10 pm

        
      By the way, The New Testament reinforces certain Old Testament concepts on marriage…
       
      Mat 19:4-6 4 And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
       
      And what about the Apostle Paul as it relates to sexual deviancy?
       
      Rom 1:22-32 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24  Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25  for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
       
      26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
       
      28  And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29  being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30  backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31  without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: :32  who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practice them.
       
       
       

         

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    • just4givenComment by just4given
      August 31, 2011 @ 8:41 am

      Elected as God TJ? Is the Bible a book of stories or a set of instructions? Your answer to this question is essential to the “devout” faith you profess.

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  22. ter334Comment by ter334
    August 30, 2011 @ 2:30 pm

    We are not orphans.  God did not create people and then retire.  His hand is in a lot things, like the structure of the govt.  Three branches which is modeled after the Blessed Trinity.  The Blessed Trinity gets along with each other so they don’t need their seperate powers spelled out?  Unlike the govt has since God has spiritual intervention while govt has way too much temporal intervention if it legally allow to do so.  The Constitution, prior to O, was quite effective at keeping one branch or individual from grabbing too much power. 

    Now there is a sense of dread over what O is going to do next to this nation’s very foundation.  The Ameican people, the vast number of voters that vote because they love America, not because someone wants them to vote and takes them to the polls, no longer trust the govt!  Not any of the three branches are trusted to do what is in the best interests of Ameica!   They are all polluted/contaminated with PC and empathy.  O only does things that are in the best interests of O and probably Islam.    The idea of a world govt is likely an islamic concept, just like communism, socialism, marcism, dictators,  etc. are from the mother of any and all govts where govt is god, islam.  Islam has been around for 1400 or so years and them trying to bring sharia law here is just another word for on world govt. 

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  23. SFret (Jim)Comment by SFret (Jim)
    August 30, 2011 @ 3:01 pm

    Like Prince Fahad, 6th in line to the throne and the holy mosque in Mecca “I wish I had a Hiney and I wish we could get this fu$#ing war going”.  (this was during a break where I was teaching his men some Geo Coordinates and map stuff).

    Let’s get this on and decide if we are going back to a constitutional form of government or if we are going to be the next France. 

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    • IronbearComment by Ironbear
      August 30, 2011 @ 3:48 pm

      France???……More like Venezuela.
       
       

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  24. lburris597Comment by lburris597
    August 30, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

    There is no God. Pure and simple. The Republican Party should get over the fact that the majority of Americans don’t go to church and don’t care about religion and care more about the economy and the defense of this country.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      August 30, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

      lburris597. We will see at judgment day. As for people not going to church. You don’t know anything because that statement was completely asinine. Within a 1 mile radius around my home their is 11 or twelve churches of many denomination that seem to be full every Sunday. Just because you don’t believe in God and don’t go to church, does not give any credence to an adolescent lie that people don’t go to church anymore. 
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! !

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    • lburris597Comment by lburris597
      August 30, 2011 @ 4:46 pm

      Onewildman- It is just a fact that people aren’t going to church. I agree with you about impeaching Obama. Religion keeps you slave mode. You give up your right to think for yourself.

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    • cybrweezComment by cybrweez
      August 31, 2011 @ 2:12 pm

      onewildman, your experiences do not equate to national fact. Church attendance is certainly on the decline, and has been for quite some time. I don’t believe however, it would be the majority. Do you have any evidence for such a claim lburris?

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      August 31, 2011 @ 2:23 pm

      cybrweez, Here is a link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_rate.htm and you must remember there has never been 100%  attendance and this does not reflect those who sit at home and watch the many choices of services it has. It has pretty much stayed the same for over twenty years within 6%. That’s probably better than a lot of other things people do.
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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    • cybrweezComment by cybrweez
      August 31, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

      I’m confused onewildman. You said minority of church attenders was asinine? Yet your link agrees with the statement.

      I am not really surprised I guess it is a minority, just didn’t know it has been for so long.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      August 31, 2011 @ 4:33 pm

      cybrweez, a six percent decline from 1990 is not that much and it has always fluctuated.  Also you must take in to account that polls are a sampling and can vary whit just how poll was conducted. Here is another site http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-03-29-churches-helping_N.htm that is from USA Today. Here is another one http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=237 Remember you have to read the whole thing you can’t just reed the numbers you have to see what the numbers really say you can manipulate numbers from almost any survey to get the results you desire. The have classes that teach how in college.
      I have only noticed that the dead are no longer coming to my church (Southern Baptist) although there is always a drop off in football season.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  25. just4givenComment by just4given
    August 30, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

    @bna42 – Dispensation of Grace or no, Ananias and Saphira were struck down the church age. They certainly weren’t struck down by Satan. The thief referred in John 10:10 is the heretical teacher – not Satan. While Satan may be pulling these strings, I don’t see this as any great dividing line of Scripture. God’s permissive will was as prevalent in the Old Testament as it is today. Turbalent times in the history of the church should remind us that God does remove His hedge of protection from the church just as He did Israel in the Old. Would He really not remove a hedge of protection fron the enemies of the church?

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