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Malkin: Apocalypse Now: Wisconsin vs. Big Labor

By Michelle Malkin

Welcome to the reckoning. We have met the fiscal apocalypse, and it is smack dab in the middle of the heartland. As Wisconsin goes, so goes the nation. Let us pray it does not go the way of the decrepit welfare states of the European Union.

The lowdown: State government workers in the Badger State pay piddling amounts for generous taxpayer-subsidized health benefits. Faced with a $3.6 billion budget hole and a state constitutional ban on running a deficit, new GOP Gov. Scott Walker wants public unions to pony up a little more. He has proposed raising the public employee share of health insurance premiums from less than 5 percent to 12.4 percent. He is also pushing for state workers to cover half of their pension contributions. To spare taxpayers the soaring costs of Byzantine union-negotiated work rules, he would rein in Big Labor's collective bargaining power to cover only wages unless approved at the ballot box.

As the free-market MacIver Institute in Wisconsin points out, the benefits concessions Walker is asking public union workers to make would still maintain their health insurance contribution rates at the second-lowest among Midwest states for family coverage. Moreover, a new analysis by benefits think tank HCTrends shows that the new rate "would also be less than the employee contributions required at 85 percent of large Milwaukee_area employers."

This modest call for shared sacrifice has triggered the wrath of the White House-Big Labor-Michael Moore axis. On Thursday, President Obama lamented the "assault on unions." AFL-CIO and Service Employees International Union bosses dubbed Walker the "Mubarak of the Midwest" while their minions toted posters of Walker's face superimposed on Hitler's. Moore goaded thousands of striking union protesters to "shut down" the "new Cairo" while the state's Democratic legislators bailed on floor debate over the union reform package.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan spurned the opportunity to condemn thousands of Wisconsin public school teachers for lying about being "sick" and shutting down at least eight school districts across the state to attend capitol protests (many of whom dragged their students on a social justice field trip with them). Instead, Duncan defended teachers for "doing probably the most important work in society." Only striking government teachers could win federal praise for NOT doing their jobs.

Yes, the so-called progressives truly believe that bringing American union workers into the 21st century in line with the rest of the workforce is tantamount to dictatorship.

Yes, the so-called progressives truly believe that by walking off their jobs and out of their classrooms, they are "putting children first."

If ever there were proof that public unions no longer work in the public interest, this is it. Big Labor dragoons workers into exclusive representation agreements, forces them to pay compulsory dues that fatten Democratic political coffers and then has the chutzpah to cast itself as an Egyptian-style "freedom" and "human rights" movement.

Meanwhile, union leaders elsewhere are quietly forcing their low-wage members to share the sacrifice in order to preserve teetering health funds. In New York state, Skidmore College campus janitors, dining service workers and other maintenance employees received late notice from the SEIU that 4.15 percent of their gross earnings will now be deducted from their paychecks to cover the cost of the health plan provided through the behemoth 1199 SEIU Greater New York Benefit Fund. (If the name sounds familiar, it's because this is one of several privileged SEIU affiliates that has received an Obamacare waiver.)

These workers are forced to join the union in order to preserve their jobs, and unlike non-union workers, they are locked into a single health plan. The SEIU has now decreed that they must pay new fees to include spouses on their plans and has hiked employee co-pays for doctor visits and prescription drugs.

What's necessary for New York union workers is necessary for Wisconsin union workers -- and for the rest of the protected union worker class in bankrupt and near-bankrupt states across America. The "persuasion of power" so ruthlessly and recklessly exercised by the SEIU and its thuggish allies must be broken by the moral courage of fiscal discipline. It's now or never.

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Michelle Malkin is the author of "Culture of Corruption: Obama and his Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks & Cronies" (Regnery 2010).

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  1. Old BillComment by Old Bill
    February 18, 2011 @ 6:57 am

    More power to Governor Walker, may his reform live long and prosper.  Back in the day when I was still going to work every day, I was thrilled when the company matched my contributions to My IRA
    And I remember well the fight put up by union to organize our shop and then management agreed except there would be no check off of dues rather a table provided at the time clock for a representative to collect the dues on payday.  The organization attempt failed and the organizers pulled out and left us alone.  Oh by the way we are in a right to work state.

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  2. onewildmanComment by onewildman
    February 18, 2011 @ 9:48 am

    To make the people of Wisconsin give these few (25,000 union idiots) hold the state of 5,686,986 people hostage is ridiculous. We the people should not be paying for state employees to have it so much better than the real working class. The rich in this country are not the greedy ones it’s the unions and all government employees. The democRATS hide this fact that most if not all government are over paid and compensated and work far less for their pay. It’s time for the real workforce of America to stand up and say NO MORE BULL! 5+ million in Wisconsin must not allow the unions bully them, because I guarantee that  their 25,000 people who could do their jobs and are willing to take them. as for the teachers most of you must not do a good job teaching or you would not be against using students achievements or lack of in your teachers evaluations. I come from a family of teachers who know how to teach and are good at. The Unions protect the bad teachers at expense of the students and the Nation as a whole!
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      February 18, 2011 @ 4:00 pm

      Right on, onewildman.

      It is absolutely a fact, that civil service workers work far less and get paid far more than their private industry counterparts.

      A perfect example of this is in my near bankrupt state of California. 

      There is a bridge near where I live, that crosses a wash. It’s a small bridge, spanning perhaps 150 feet.  This bridge was slated for earthquake structural upgrades, by the County of Los Angeles.

      Work began approximately three years ago.  The upgrades were just completed this month.  There were approximately thirty County workers, (I counted them at several different times) performing the task.

      A friend of mine, that is a private civil construction contractor, (bridge builder) was amazed that it took THREE YEARS to complete the job.  After looking at the bridge, he said even if he took his time, at most,  the job, if performed by a private contractor, for profit, should have taken no more than six months.

      How many millions of dollars of taxpayer money was spent, for the salaries, perks, vacations, health care, retirement contributions, ad infinitum, for two and one half extra years of work, for thirty people?

      There are hundreds of small bridges, in Los Angeles County.  They all need upgrades.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      February 18, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

      Truthteller, I live in CA too! Unfortunately it’s like that with every job Cal Trans does. I don’t know if you remember but Cal Trans fought tooth and nail to prevent any privet contractors from doing work on California roads and highways.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

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  3. courierComment by courier
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:02 am

    Governor Walker must hold fast and not blink in the face of the communist fanfare.  These workers/people are public servants.  They need to face up to reality and not bring all of the Union Thugs into the protest.

    As far as the Dems go, the Governor should call for a special election.  Let them leave the state for good.  

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    • lethrneckComment by lethrneck
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

      There has to be some emergency provisions for the Governor to continue to operate his state when the Democrats all run from responsibility.  If they were all killed in an explosion the state could not wait until another election was held; there would be emergency provisions when the legislators were not available.

      Use those emergency powers right now while the Dems are out of state. 

      Out of state; out of mind.

      Go get ‘em Governor Walker.

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  4. JRComment by JR
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:06 am

    Amazing.  Hitler was a socialist and Unions are socialistic, and yet they accuse the Wisconsin government of being like Hitler?  That’s the guilty accusing another of doing their own crimes….

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  5. JDZComment by JDZ
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:19 am

    I understand that the SEIU national union is sending in more storm troops to bolster those that are demonstrating in Madison.  The Tea Party in Wisconsin needs to get motivated to help Governor Walker and his team deal with this challenge to his authority. I hope that there is some legal action that can be taken against the Democrats that ran away to avoid voting for the new Walker bill. They demonstrated their lack of professionalism and willingness to follow due process. 

    This is a critical point in the recovery of our country from the financial disaster that we see coming.  The public service unions have put every city, county, state, and the federal government into the same state as Wisconsin.  The American people have to be informed about how this happened and why it has to be fixed.  They need to see how the collusion between Democrats in power and the union leaders have led to these unsustainable over the top salaries and benefits, and how these powerful unions actually run the governments that have progressives in power.

    The Democrats were the party that allowed public service employees to unionize to start with, and then also allowed them to put collective bargaining in place, and then are the politicians that have negotiated most of the union agreements that are in place. In return, over 95% of the money contributed to political campaigns by unions go to Democratic candidates.

    This is absolutely unacceptable, and has to stop.  We should abolish public service unions and treat all government employees as “at will” employees just like all of the private company employees.

    I will go teach in our schools to backfill if the teachers walk out to demonstrate against the Walker bill.  I am sure that there are other professionals that would help if necessary.  This is too critical to the future of the country.   

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  6. BackpackerComment by Backpacker
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:28 am

    Our country is broke.  Because our past politicians were corrupt.  Time will tell, if we have some.  Some of a different breed of politicians, that are honest.  That put this country ahead of their own perks and power .  Do the cuts.  Now!  It way past time for the leeches to be snipped, and giving power back to the host.

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    • hellervdcComment by hellervdc
      February 19, 2011 @ 6:40 am

      Some present politicians are still corrupt.  The only difference now is that the covers have been lifted to let in the light. 

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  7. Jack ReacherComment by Jack Reacher
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:30 am

    I have a solution;  Let’s pay state and Federal unionized workers based on the quality of their work.  Uh oh, that would drop below minimum wage.
    I do hope the fine non-union citizens in Wisconsin are just as fed up with this hypocrisy from the minority of unionized Wisconsin residents and will fully support your magnificent governor!
    As for you lazy, selfish, greedy Wisconsin Union members, you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.

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  8. GadsdonianComment by Gadsdonian
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:34 am

    @ Jack Reacher.  ”I have a solution;  Let’s pay state and Federal unionized workers based on the quality of their work.  Uh oh”

    What, like bank CEO pay plus bonuses?

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    • John E. NevolaComment by John E. Nevola
      February 18, 2011 @ 11:37 am

      The difference is bank CEOs are not public employees on the tax dole…(wait a second, didn’t we just those suckers out with taxoayer money?).  The point is the taxpayer is tired of shouldering the burden for government MISMANAGEMENT of our funds.

      John E. Nevola – Author of The Last Jump
      A Novel of World War II
      http://www.thelastjump.com
      A portion of the proceeds assist families of the fallen

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    • ConnyComment by Conny
      February 18, 2011 @ 11:59 am

      Sure thing.  If they have the qualifications, the ambition,  and there’s an opening, hire them–even give them bonuses.  But note Jack said ‘pay…based on the quality of their work.’  That completely cancels your comment.  

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    • GadsdonianComment by Gadsdonian
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:25 pm

      Yes, indeed John.  We did indeed pay many billions of dollars to bail out those CEO’s (a sum vastly larger than the entire Wisconsin deficit).  And we didn’t even ask for their resignations.
      The line between public and private sector just suddenly got a little more gray.  But thats ok.  They earned that money.  And I see no reason why we should go to them to pay more now to balance the budget.  Its not like they are responsible for this financial mess.  Yes, I think we should go after the teachers instead.  Screw those damn liberal teachers and their fancy unions.

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    • hellervdcComment by hellervdc
      February 19, 2011 @ 6:44 am

      Nevermind Gadsdonian’s comment.  He doesn’t get it. 

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  9. God Loving PatriotComment by God Loving Patriot
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:39 am

    You have to Love right to work states I live in one and would not have it any other way. As an employer I have the right to fire you a@$ and do not need a reason, just as an employee has the right to work with my company or not. They know this and guess what I have better employees because of Right to Work. They actually work and take pride in what they do. They are not here for a hand out, they are here to support their families and themselves, they are paid considerably more than union workers that do as little as they have to and expect you to give them the moon.

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  10. fallschComment by fallsch
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:47 am

    This is actually a good thing people.  This is a blatant and shining example of just how selfish and power hungry the unions have become.  With the 14 dems walking out and leaving the state, they too are showing they don’t want real debate and real answers to the issues that face us all.  They want grand standing and business as usual.
     
    I would schedule another day for debate and for a vote.  If anyone does not show up for either then they should be publicly called out and censured for dereliction of their duty to the people of Wisconsin.

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    • Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

      The 14 Democrats who walked out are a bunch of cowards.  If they won’t face the music, they need to go find some other form of employment and make room for senators who have the courage of their convictions and who care for the people they represent. 

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    • pypypypyComment by pypypypy
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

      It is shameful how the 14 DemocRATS went into hiding. If Mr Obama wants to stick his nose into this matter why doesn’t he call out these 14 Rats??? Instead he chose to demonise everyone else and “encouraging these protesters” Does he think it is fair for all these state employees who dont have to contribute a dime into their pensions and healthcare ride on the backs of hard working individuals who is having to make all sorts of cut backs themselves. Is it that much to ask of them, by the Governor? Mr Obama likes to talk about leveling the playing field. Well what the Governor of Wisconsin is asking is nothing more than leveling the playing field Mr Obama talks of time and again!

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  11. knorskeComment by knorske
    February 18, 2011 @ 10:55 am

    Michelle…As always, you have given us another great article, with your opinions and suggestions based on fact and guided by common sense.  I am saddened, though, you were forced to write about my home state, “God’s Country.”    I attended UW Madison during the 60s.  I thought our campus made those in California look like church socials, by comparison.  One does not have to think long why the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) decided to bomb UW buildings.  The UW campus, rated one of the most beautiful in the country, is a few blocks away from the captiol building, rated as one of the most beautiful in the country.  I surely support the demonstrators’ right to organize and speak their opinions, I am not surprized of WHAT they say, considering Madison is one of the liberal bastions in the country.  Milwaukee, a union town, is a few miles away…and a favorite visiting spot for our president, whose “home” town, Chicago, is a stone’s throw to the south.  In November, we Badgers voted in a majority of non-liberals (hopefully they are and will remain so), and I expect there will be more of the same in the next election.  Does this recent “gathering” of citizens spell trouble for Wisconsin, for the country?  I believe so.  I ask all to pray for our country…and for Wisconsin (a.k.a. God’s Country) and other states facing these problems.  (One can only wonder if the liberals are not fomenting a violent uprising for the sake of government instituting martial law–at the same time, one must remember the founding fathers added the Second Amendment for the purpose of DEFENSE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.)

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  12. VoiceOfReasonComment by VoiceOfReason
    February 18, 2011 @ 11:03 am

    In Texas, in 2002 the Republicans won a majority in both the house and senate in the state legislature and, in 2003, opted to do the redistricting job that the Democrats would not permit when they held a majority in half of the legislature.  Previously the Democrats had forced the redistricting following the 2000 census to be done by a panel of three federal judges (2 Democrats and 1 Republican).  That redistricting–which is a state function, not a federal one–resulted in 17 Democrat districts and 13 Republican districts, despite the fact that the Republicans had a 60% to 40% majority.

    When the Republicans began debating the new redistricting plan in preparation for voting (and passing it), the Democrats took off for Oklahoma, depriving the legislature of a quorum.  They came home for a weekend, but took off again for New Mexico.  The Texas Rangers were sent to retrieve enough of them to make a quorum, and the new redistricting plan was approved.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      February 18, 2011 @ 11:59 am

      I remember when the Democrats did this. Willie Nelson praised them as “heroes” for leaving. I was all for closing the borders and refusing to let them come back. Never mind that the redistricting actually created some new districts in Houston in largely minority areas. The Republicans were excoriated for being racist and hurting blacks.
       
      If the Republicans had ditched the way the Democrats are getting so good at doing, they would be roasted alive in the media for “shirking their duties.” The real shirkers in this story are the Democrats and the teachers who can’t seem to get their butts in to work to do their job.

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  13. rebel609Comment by rebel609
    February 18, 2011 @ 11:06 am

    I think this issue exposes the unions for what they truly are and the information is obvious and will help us fight them on a common sense basis. 

    Think about it.  We are talking about government and/or public sector employees – THEY WORK FOR US not the other way around !

    Base pay for a teacher in WI is $72,000 a year, keeping in mind they work 8 months a year.  National average pay for private sector is $63,000 a year for 12 months.

    Over 2/3 of private sector working Americans have taken pay and/or benefit cuts and/or wage freezes over the last few years.  For middle class Americans, most companies give raises based on the cost of living or a flat 3% or something atrocious like that.  They are demonstrating in WI because they have been asked to live by the same standards as the boss/US, raises based on the cost of living index. 

    Private sector employees have always contributed on average 20% to our health insurance plans and WI is asking its union employees to pay 10% and you can guarantee their health plan is Cadillac. 

    How many private sector workers have retirement plans totally funded by their employer ??  None.  If your employer contributes to a retirement fund it’s generally matching to what the employee contributes.  WI is asking the union to contribute 5% to their own pension fund and the State of WI is still on the hook for 95%
      
    Bottom line, the public sector has no problem living off the private sector and living a whole heck of a lot better no matter what.  I think the entire argument and all the bussed in demonstrators unmasks union leadership so everyone can see what progaganda thugs they really are. 

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    • GadsdonianComment by Gadsdonian
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:02 pm

      Where are you getting those statistics from??  Average base pay for a teacher in Wisconsin is approximately $35,000, and private sector national average is even lower than that!  On that note it should also not be considered a problem that teachers make a bit more than the national average considering that teaching is a competitive job requiring a sizable amount of education.  The private sector includes jobs like flipping burgers at McDonalds.

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    • Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:26 pm

      “I think the entire argument and all the bussed in demonstrators unmasks union leadership so everyone can see what progaganda thugs they really are.”
      Except for one thing.  The majority still get their information through the established media elite and will not read, see or hear a balanced discussion of this matter.  For many, the mask will remain in place.  I wish that weren’t true.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:03 pm

      Yeah – I’d like to know as well – I just checked salary.com and within seconds found at most, 52k median which includes the high and low end – so I would suspect that the low end is around 35k.

      This is the exact kind of spin cycle bordering on untruth that is endemic of Team Red…

      Wake up people – not all Reds are bad – just the ones in power…QUESTION EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, SEE, READ…

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  14. Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
    February 18, 2011 @ 11:20 am

    How interesting is it that these protesters cannot seem to “get it”? Wisconsin looks a lot like Greece, don’t you think? For the same reason, these union slugs (and thugs) are probably the most unproductive people on the face of the earth. I don’t imagine they differ much from state to state, anyone been in a DMV office lately? Most of those employees seem to think their main purpose in life is to be as irritating, obnoxious and officious as possible. They probably have an award of the week for winners of each of those categories. These career nut jobs think we’re stupid and while that may have been true of some of the public in the past……..it is no longer the case. They earn far more than the members of the private sector who pay their salaries and they want us to pay for the total cost of both their health care and retirement as well?
     
    Though it sounds awful to say, if there is a silver lining in this recession, it’s the fact that we are finished paying people for substandard work………..are your children outperforming those of other countries? If not, the teacher’s aren’t doing their jobs either, and I never want to hear that tired old NEA argument (ever again) during any teacher strike that “it’s for the children”. Let’s give them all a Bronx cheer!  They want a little “class warfare”…………..I’m ready!

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  15. ciceroComment by cicero
    February 18, 2011 @ 11:45 am

    What’s really interesting is how frickin clueless all of you folks are.  The bottom line is this – three quick points so y’all can follow along.  First off is what happenend to the American dream and all of the moola?  Well, guess what folks – corporations and politicians (including lobbyists) have most of it.  Go look and you will find places like Wall street, corner offices, and pretty much every state capitol brimming with the cash that used to flow into middle-class America.  Second at bat is labor – it is what built this country – this is not opinion – it’s fact.  Labor was the backbone of American industry for over 50 years and did some pretty amazing things during those decades the years – and what has happenend to it?  Corporations have descimated it - mainly due to cheap labor from overseas but also in other ways in terms of earnings and benefits.  Again, this is fact – all of the numbers are there – published out in the open – go check ‘em for yourself.  But the thing is this – folks like Malkin won’t tell you that kind of stuff becuase when they do, they lose their argument – which leads me to point #3…

    Integrity – almost all friggin punditscommentatorsbloggersetc have none of it.  The simple test is this – if they have to lie to you – or even spin it to you – then they are full of ca-ca.  And not making the full argument – like Ms. malkin has done here – falls under the spin cycle.  This lady is basically a younger Sarah Palin and while many of you love Sarah, the bottom line is that she’s worthless in terms of leading this nation and better to look at than to listen to.  Guaranteed, if people like Palin and Malkin are put in charge, the only change we will see is the end coming at us faster.

    Are unions corrupt?  Some are – yes – and let the rule of law fix that but don’t end unions simply because of some corrupt practices.  What happening in Wisconsin right now is the definition of the American Way – we live, get pissed, fight – struggle – argue – and yes, ASSEMBLE.  This is every Amercian’s right and regardless of your beliefs, we should all herald the fact that they are standing up to be heard and frankly, if you don’t like it, then you need to sit the F down and shut the F up.

    Now, most of you are going to head into a seizure at reading the above but still, it is the truth.  Folks like Malkin are just poster childs for the right-wing agenda to crush liberalism in this nation (yes – we were founded on liberal ideals – go look it up) so they can keep the larger piece of the pie for themselves and screw you, me, and the rest in the process.  If you don’t beleive me, simply ask yourself, how much has life in the USA improved under Red rule?

    Don’t get me wrong – I think the Blues are pretty much as much outta whack but the stark difference is that they at least are heading in a better direction.  This country was founded on equality for all but more importnantly, with the proimise that if you worked hard and were honest, then you could improve your life and that of your kids – this means making politicians AND corportation subserviant to the will of the people.

    And what happenend to that dream – the Red stole it…or gave it away – you pick…

    NUFF SAID

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    • obamatronComment by obamatron
      February 18, 2011 @ 11:57 am

      Wouldn’t you agree, though, that Labor in the 50s behaved a little differently than Labor does now? Seems like there was more integrity back then..

      As for corporations, just as in big labor, there are those that are corrupt, use poor business ethics to make money off other peoples’ work. But there are also a ton of corporate employees who want to and do and good job, who take pride in their company’s goals and deserve to be rewarded for their work. Which, by the way, some of goes to pay for their company-subsidized healthcare.

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    • GadsdonianComment by Gadsdonian
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

      @ obamatron: If anything I would say that labor in the 50′s had a great deal more power.  Especially in the face of the current financial crisis, most unions seem pretty impotent to me these days.  And while Cicero has put a quite liberal spin to this, it is worth noting that while the public sector and unions are being asked to bear the burden of saving our skins, it was a direct result of the actions of the private sector that got us into this mess.  There is no room for debate on this point.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:18 pm

      @obamatron

      I would totaly agree with you on the first part – I do think labor behaved with much more integrity 50 years ago than they do now.  But here’s the thing, do we really have a fair shake in this Country any more? I don’t think so - here’s why.  I ask myself some very basic questions about my existence and my society to help me gauge if I am outta whack or if it’s really the system.  Things like “Should an unforseen illness cripple my family – cause us to lose our home – my kids to not get a great education?”  To me, the answer is a staunch NO!  Some folks have actually told me “Hey man – life isn’t fair – that’s the way it goes” – That’s the way it goes?  Are they crazy?  Then why do we even have a society then?  Why organize and form a a government?  The whole point of this is to collectivlty make it better for everyone and the only prerequistie is to participate as much as you can.  That’s the core mission statement right?  Not some “kill or be killed” mentality but rather to all do better…

      Now, as you menioned, some folks will abuse – totally understood and I think we need to weed those folks out and either change thier bahavior or remove them – but don’t destroy the rest of the ideals simply because some folks abuse.  On your point about corporatations and some abusers – I’m not saying that we need to severley happen corporation’s ability to make good products and make $$$ – but not at the expense of the American dream.

      Should health care be free for all? Hell yes – should education  - hell yes.  Again, isn;t that why we have a society – to make it better than it is when we all go it alone? It’s not to make a few politicians and corporate leaders wealthy which is what are moving more to every day.  We all struggle and work harder and harder – but we aren’t getting wealthier – we are just existing.  But someone is getting wealthier – it’s evident every day for us to examine.  Does anyone in this Nation – I mean anoyone – corp execs, ballers, politicians, etc – do any of them really need 200M dollars?  Entertainers as well – do they need 20M a picture?  Come on man – if we were to somehow get that $$$ back into the middle class – the largest of social groups in the Nation – then we would be able to start solving the other core issues like health care and education.  On top of that, drug and medical companies should be saying, hey – profit is fine but when it comes to the health of our citizens, then we need to be a little more pragmatic – a heatlhy nation is a rich nation and we will all be better for it.

      Finally, before you mention it – immigration and abuse.  I am  the first to agree with Team Red on this however, I also really question some of the stats.  I also know that Team Red is masterful at using wedge issues (gay marriage, Islamic center at G-0, immigration, etc) to help divide a nation so I am a liitle skeptical there as to how much illegals really cause harm to the US – but I am also open to lots of discussion there.  But in the end, let’s rememebr that we are first human and then Americans…

      All of these things need to occur in the next 20 years or we’re done people…

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    • Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:37 pm

      cicero, you are just full of yourself and generally dead wrong!  Who’s gonna pay for all these free things?  Free healthcare?  Free education?  Get real.  Nothing in this world is free.  You are simply greedy. Oh, and verbose, to boot.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:39 pm

      @ Liberty4310

      Hi and thx for your comment – I’ll be brief…

      You’re an idiot and have nothing of value to add.  You see, you’re the exact probelm we have. You are simply unable to form an arugment nor to debate – you just read, have a reaction, and throw up on people. You’re the kind of person that prior to the Internet, didn’t matter – but now, because of all these sites – you just walk around verbally vomitting on folks – Jesus what a frickin waste…

      So here’s the dealio sister – make an argument or ****…

      thx for listening…

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    • Mary SComment by Mary S
      February 18, 2011 @ 2:03 pm

      @cicero says “This country was founded on equality for all . . .”  Uh no, this country was founded on the principle of equal opportunity – there is a BIG difference.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

      @ MaryS

      How very sad that you don’t what the he*l you are talking about.  Nowhere in any American founding document is “equal opportunity” menioned – but liberty and justice for all is everywhere – both in actual word as well as sentiment.  The fact that you don’t something this very basic shows you are seriously lacking in your patriotism.  That you are allowed to vote illustrates one of the biggest errors made on the part of the Framers – that someone like you doesn’t understand the basic premise of this Country and is still allowed to choose who will make decisions that affect both yours and my life…very scary…

      You are indeed a poster child for the epidemic facing this Nation that we all need innoculation from…here’s some suggestions:

      1.  Go Google “Declaration of Independence” and read it
      2.  Do the same for “US Constitution”
      3.  EXTRA CREDIT:  Try the Federalist Papers and Adams\Jefferson letters
      4.  EXTRA-EXTRA CREDIT:  Try the delibertion record of the Constitutional Convention of 1787

      Now, I know the above is a tall task so feel free to post any questions back here and I will be glad to help you out…

      Take care :=)

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    • Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
      February 18, 2011 @ 7:14 pm

      Man, cicero, you’re even selective in your reading of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.  Unbelievable!

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 7:54 pm

      Ok – fair enough – where did I selectively read or mis-state either the Declaration of Indepdence or the US Constitution?  I know both almost verbatim but I am human and therefore, fallible – so if I erred in some way, then show me where and I will retract…

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    • jameskearnsComment by jameskearns
      February 19, 2011 @ 11:56 pm

      You have a right to assemble but not when your contract says you can not strike and you  are assembling when you are supposed to be working. In the army we used to call that AWOL. that is what your paid for representives ar AWOL. And you are assembling on paid sick days. And doctors are giving you sick slips. When i went to schoolk if we were caught with a false sick slip we were suspended from school and worse when the school told the parents. Governor Walker go buy a big belt and go back to the good old days. Spanking for all out of state legislators.

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  16. GadsdonianComment by Gadsdonian
    February 18, 2011 @ 11:50 am

    I can understand why you all would be making the comments you are making based on reading this article in a vacuum.  Poor Governor Walker.
    Let me now inject a few inconvenient pieces of missing information into the discussion.  The biggest one being that not all public workers are being dinged unilaterally by Walker’s proposed bill.  It is teachers and…. no that’s it.  Just teachers.  Police?  No.  Fire?  No.  This is the big problem with what Walker has proposed.  Instead of truly trying to do what is best for the state by spreading the burden unilaterally, he is using the crisis as leverage to play partisan politics.  He is protecting the conservative constituencies while attacking liberal constituencies.  And we are not talking about chump change that the teachers are being asked to cough up.  As mentioned in the above article, health insurance premiums are rising from 5% to 12.4% and pension contributions going up to 50%.  Not mentioned above is the fact that salary is being cut by 7%.  Do those calculations on your job and see how you feel.
    The kicker lunacy in this is that, in addition to heaping the entire burden onto teachers, he is also trying to simultaneously permanently weaken the teacher’s union. Now I’m not interested in debating whether or not unions in general, or even this specific union, is good or bad.  More significant to the issue at hand, imagine somebody coming to you and saying, “We need you to take one for the team this year and give us $10,000.”
    “Ouch.  Well maybe if there is no other way…”
    “Oh, by the way, we are also going to make it illegal for you to negotiate for increased pay in future years.”
    “What?”
    “Oh, by the way, all those other ‘public employees’ you work with.  We thought about asking them to also share the burden, but we decided we would rather you just cover the balance of the entire deficit alone.  Cheers!”
    “…What?!?!”
    Governor Walker is not the Republican bandwagon to jump on people.  Where is his proposal to cut benefits to politicians? (Nevermind the police who fair approximately as well as teachers do in Wisconsin.)  My advise to this website and to Republicans in general is to keep as much distance from Governor Walker as possible.  While I applaud his attempt to be aggressive in finding ways to balance the budget, the way in which he is going about it is a lesson for the rest of the country of how not to.
    There is only one way to balance the kind of budget deficits that this country is facing.  We are all going to have to suffer together.  Or we will all go down together.
     
    PS: @ JR: Hitler was not a socialist.  And while I am not an Obama fan, Obama is not Muslim.  Let’s keep to the facts people.  This kind of propagandistic muckery should be beneath the Republican party.  It plays right into the Democrat’s portrayal of the Republican party as uneducated fools.  We can be better than that and win on the facts.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

      The Nazi party’s full name was the National Socialist German Worker’s party. What part of that says they were not socialist?
       
      I agree that the burden should be shared with all public employees. The way I understood it, it was all public employees except police and firefighters. There are a lot more government workers that fall in that group than just teachers. Perhaps Walker is starting with this group and intends to tackle the other groups when and if he succeeds here. The best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time.
       
      I don’t believe Obama is a Muslim. However, when he talks so glowingly about Islam and how he considers himself a Muslim if he had to choose, he can’t be upset when people make the conclusion that he is a Muslim. This is stuff he put in his own biographies. Is he upset that it is now coming back to bite him in the butt? I am sure he isn’t upset at all the money he made selling those books.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

      For your information most of those jobs that went over seas were Union jobs because of union greed. People who worked there way to the top of these corporations deserve what they make in most cases. I’m not talking about the ones who cut jobs to get that bonus.
      Why do you not include those who worked for corporations and achieved the American dream. Corporations have rights too. Laws are written that effect them and their business, just as they are written for us. No one is suppose to be subservient to the government. THIS IS NOT A COMMUNIST OR SOCIALIST COUNTRY. You speak like a communist.
      In 1927 Hitler said: “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” He supported a form of Nationalist form of Socialism. Like it or not that is the truth.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:37 pm

      @ txgotlady

      The Nazis were not socialist in the true sense of the word – just like Republicans are not true believers in a Republic.  The Nazis were totalitarian fascits – but that doesn’t sell as well as Socialism to the debt burdened depression bearers of 1930s Germany.

      @ onewildman

      BS – nobody desrves $30M+ a year – nobody…nobody’s job is that important…nobody can do that good a job…period.  It’s really easy, if you think that, then you’re clueless.

      Now your comment about the jobs that go overseas being the greedy labor union jobs – are you high?  First, go check the roles of jobs that have left then come back and let us know what you found.  The only reason jobs didn’t go there much earlier was technology AND cost.  The labor cost overseas is a fraction of what it is here and technology has enabled the move.  And by the way, the reason for the labor cost discrepancy is because it costs much more to live here – do you think that is the union’s fault?  Do you think the unions have some amazing magical power to change the complete cost of living in America?  Do you think anyone in their right mind would want to pay more for gasoline, milk, housing, etc?  Of course not but that’s the reality of life here.  And when was the last time you saw a horde of super wealthy union members cruising down the boulevard in  their parade of Bentleys all with personal drivers heading to the airport to scoot away in their private jets for sun & fun in Barbados.

      You’re off base chief…and quit baming the hard working folks for the mess that corporate leaders hell bent on maximizing the bottom line have gotten us into.

      By the way, recall that the Constitution is starkly silent concerning Corporate equality relative to the citizens - that should tell you someting pretty important…

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

      Unions have made the cost of living go up. Minimum wage is part of the reason our cost of living is so high. Everything that you purchase has labor costs figured into it. The higher the labor cost, the more the manufacturer must charge in order to make a profit. I suppose there are those who believe profits are evil, but why shouldn’t the people who are willing to take the risk make some money? Otherwise there is no incentive to start a business.
       
      The United States has also defined poverty in the most bizarre way possible. People with decent places to live, cable tv and fancy electronics are considered impoverished in this country. When you compare our standard of living to even other developed countries, we are a bunch of spoiled brats. Our poor are far better off than the middle class in many other places. I got stuck in line at lunch today behind a woman on government assistance. She tied up the register for about 10 minutes trying to buy a fountain drink and prepared food using her food stamp card. This woman had a manicure that probably cost as much as I pay to fill up my truck, but I am paying for her groceries.

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    • GadsdonianComment by Gadsdonian
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:55 pm

      This is way off-topic but alas I must respond:  The Nazi party was “socialist” in name only.  It was a philosophical means of control.  Same thing went down in Italy as well.  Historians all generally agree that Nazi Germany was not actually an example of anything socialist or communist.  It was a totalitarian government with Hitler essentially serving as dictator.
       
      This shouldn’t be a shocking history lesson to any of you.  Again, lets stick to the facts and win on the facts, people.  There is no need to employ emotionally exaggerative words like “socialism” and “Hitler.”  For the love of God, really?  Hitler?  We are now going to compare democrats to Hitler?  We can be better than that.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:59 pm

      @ txgoatlady

      If you really beleive what you just said, then you are still out at your lunch.  Union power has declined massively in the last 30 years while the cost of living has increased exponentially.  That simple fact alone outta give you a moment of pause.

      Second, do you even know what the federal poverty limit is?  For a family of 2, 14k per year – for a family of 3, about 19k.  Let’s say they pay zero taxes and keep all 19k – do you really think that will put a decent roof over their head, food on the table, and get them to the job they need to keep?  Are you also high?

      These numbers are taken directly from the federal website and what is used by 48 of the 50 states in determining if a person gets public assistance.  So while you may have witnessed an anomoly earlier today, it was just that… AN ANAMOLY.. NOT THE RULE.

      Please do us a favor and stop voting…

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

      Cicero has determined that everyone on this comment thread with the exception of Gadsonian is “high” if they disagree with him/her. Isn’t that name-calling or making a judgement based on something other than fact? I can state for a fact that I have never used any illicit drugs, not even marijuana which many people consider harmless. Therefore, it would be silly to call me “high.” It is a strange way to attempt to win an argument.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:27 pm

      “illicit drugs”???  Comedic man…marijuana being an illicit drug – I think this proves my point about you being high…which, BTW, can mean numerous things such as dellusional which is what you must be based on the statements made via your posts.  You said ‘em – I’m just making an observation.

      Which is why the term was used – not to win an arugment – no you see, it’s me commenting about how lame your statements are – and in fact, also how lame it is that I have to explain to this to you or anyone else.  It was not an attempt to win the arugment – I’ve already pretty much done that because you have no retort to my original postiion.  You know, Jefferson said to always practice artificial good humor but he obviuously never dealt with the likes of modern Team Red – if he had, he would have been much more like Adams. 

      I live by what I say which is to make an argument or **** – which is what I will leave you with here…

      Have funs with the goats…

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      February 18, 2011 @ 2:27 pm

      I have as I have stated before been in three Unions. The union workers are on the most part dead weight. They wanted a check and did as little as possible to get it. One union was particularity bad. the members walked around all day telling the hard workers to slow down they needed overtime. I warned them that if they kept it up the company would close the doors and move to where people are willing work for their pay. Guess what the company fired everyone and moved that operation to Mexico. I guess you hate people like Warren Buffet too, he makes billions a year. what about Bill gates or Steve jobs? I guess they are not worth what they made. Remember Bill Gates started in his garage and achieved the American dream. HP was started in a garage too. People like you are the real problem in this country not corporations.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

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    • AmericaFirstComment by AmericaFirst
      February 18, 2011 @ 5:42 pm

      TEACHERS SHOULD PAY FOR THEIR OWN RETIREMENT AND HEALTHCARE.   Why should we have to pay for our own AND THEIRS.  

      Teachers that do not go to work, should be FIRED!  They are acting like “greedy union goons”…not teachers. Who needs them!

      By the way, FIRE THE 14 DEMOCRATS THAT ARE HIDING OUT IN A BAR, instead of going to do the people’s work. When they go back across the state line, they should find themselves UNEMPLOYED!

      IT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED THAT THESE TEACHERS ONLY WORK NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, FOR THOSE VERY GOOD BENEFITS AND SALARIES!

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    • jameskearnsComment by jameskearns
      February 20, 2011 @ 12:06 am

      If we are going to stick to facts you must also. Wages are not an issue. they stay the same and the unions will be able to bargin for wages. They will not be able tonegotiate pensions and health care. Teachers are not the only unions involved. The maintance workers and all the other state workers. Excepted are firefighters,police and first responders. Please be correct.
      Taxpayers pay for the union. This should not be. Unions should be banned for public employees.

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  17. obamatronComment by obamatron
    February 18, 2011 @ 11:50 am

    God Loving Patriot hit the nail on the head: when there is accountability, people have incentive to do their job well. If you’re getting everything for nothing, why should you go above and beyond, or even do the bare minimum?

    Typical of union teachers, they pounced on any opportunity to take a free day off. “For the kids” my a**. Everyone knows that line is a load and deserves to be treated as such. How the education of our children in Madison will suffer in the future may vary, and isn’t necessarily linked to getting better health benefits, but for the last three days they haven’t been taught at school at all. Isn’t that a detraction for the kids?  Why not spare all the single parents and protest outside of school hours if you’re so dignified? We know the answer of that one.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      February 18, 2011 @ 12:16 pm

      I wonder if any parents have had problems with their employers when they didn’t have arrangements for their children and had to miss work?
       
      Our state requires that the kids attend a certain number of days in the school year. Snow days have to put on our calendar and if they have to take a day off for bad weather, they make it up on the snow day. If they run out of snow days, they have to make the days up elsewhere. If Wisconsin has similar rules, are these kids going to be stuck spending part of their summer in school to make up for their teacher’s selfishness? Are their parent’s summer vacation plans going to require modification?

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  18. pypypypyComment by pypypypy
    February 18, 2011 @ 12:26 pm

    I am sure all of you heard that Union protests has spread to OH. I am sure you all heard as well that Mr Obama is taking the side of the Unions and demonising everyone else as always, emboldening these protesters even more. If he does not have all the facts then he should stay out of it, simple as that, but he can’t can he?? Unions and Big Govt equal votes.

    The Union/SEIU is one of his pillars of support for 2012. The Govt of Wisconsin and his family are being threatned. Where is Mr Obama, why is he not condeming these acts??? It is a joke when Mr Obama a short while ago issuing a statement from AF1 condenming the new violence in Bahrain.

    If it is found that the teachers broke their contracts by going off sick to protest, they should be replaced. They should not be allowed to hold their state hostage.

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  19. godsgirlComment by godsgirl
    February 18, 2011 @ 1:05 pm

    The 14 Democrats who were unwilling to do their jobs should be fired. That’s what happens at my place of employement when one is a “no-call,no-show.”

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:07 pm

      What a joke – seriously?  Like there’s no Reds in the unions?  Are you high?

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  20. pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
    February 18, 2011 @ 1:17 pm

    More about poverty and how it is measured in this country.
    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Commentary/2010/03/Obamas-New-Poverty-Measurement

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

      Ahhhh…finally you add some value – thank you for this.  So do you think an escalating scale is a bad idea?

      Do you know what the current poverty levels are and if so, are they appropo?

      See, you think I’m a orinary liberal who bleeds blue and loves Obama – but #1, you never asked me that & #2, you’re wonrg.  I think Obama is turning out to be much weaker than at least I expected and is playing WAY too much politics. 

      But liberalism (NOT THE LIBERAL AGENDA – they are NOT one in the same) is the true hallmark of a free society…this proves my point…

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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  21. royalpurpleComment by royalpurple
    February 18, 2011 @ 1:40 pm

    I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD MOVE BY THE GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN TO BRING EQUITY TO THE WORK FORCE;PRIVATE AND GOVERNMENT WORKERS. IT IS ABOUT TIME FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF AMERICA TO STAND UP AND BE THE VOICE OF FREEDOM OF THIS  GREAT COUNTRY CALL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. TAHNKS,JAMES

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  22. CharlieComment by vietnamvet
    February 18, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

    I find it interesting to know that the Wisconsin state employees don’t even have a contract with the state to use as a club.  It expired in 2009, and has been ‘extended’ a number of times.  The latest contract proposal was defeated by the unions on December 10th of last year.

    So, frankly speaking, the teachers (setting good examples for the ‘victimized liberals’ they are training)…and the rest of the state employees don’t have a leg to stand on.

    If I were the Governor, I would open up ALL of those jobs for hiring…and let striking teachers compete to retain their positions.

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    • jameskearnsComment by jameskearns
      February 20, 2011 @ 12:27 am

      I have heard but not verified that the wisconsin school are rated 42 out of 50 states, 1 being the best. . If this is correct then maybe we need to get new teachers. Fire them for poor performance. iF THE RATING DOES NOT IMPORVE TO AT LEAST 30 OF 50 BY NEXT YEAR WE REPLACE 50% OF THE TEACHERS. We will hire them from the states that are ranking higher and we will give them a raise from what they are making now and still be better off than we are now. I want the wisconsin schools to be the best and i pay the most and get 42nd place? Wake up people. Thank god for governor walker.

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  24. gilplynComment by gilplyn
    February 18, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

    Give me a break! What a bunch of whiners! Maybe we should protest their protest! We need to spread the word to everyone in the private sector about the micro-increase these clowns are being asked for to pay for their benefits. Once word gets out about the puny contribution they make for benefits, let’s see how much sympathy they get from people who work in the real world.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      February 18, 2011 @ 5:46 pm

      It will never happen, gilplyn.

      The Main Stream Media won’t report these facts, because Obummerhood and his merry band of Commies, will instruct them not to.  The only way these facts will become known to civil servants  and private workers, in other towns and cities, will be by word-of-mouth.  Our words and our mouths.

      My wife worked for the county where we lived.  She contributed fifty percent to her retirement, fifty percent to her health care policy, which was definitely not Cadilliac in benefits.  Large accrued deductables, lots of limits and exclusions, etc.

      It is outrageous, that one hundred percent of these items are taxpayer funded.

      It is even more outrageous, that the recipients of this largess, are screaming about a pitiful four or five percent contribution.

       

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  25. onewildmanComment by onewildman
    February 18, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

    This one is for cicero, If CEO’s make too much lets go after stars like Ben Affleck he makes about 500 times the average salary. The average CEO’s only make about 200 times the average and works hell of a lot more hours and has a much higher rate of hart attacks. What about the producers and lets not forget about all the greedy professional athletes. What I’m saying is,  I’m sure you couldn’t do their jobs or turn down the money if you could. I also guarantee that their are way more percentage of Union workers who are not worth what they are paid.  If you don’t believe it, go be a hypocrite somewhere else.
     
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 5:25 pm

      So here’s what I’m sayin’ bonehead – first, go back and read my comments – I already mentioned the ballers (i.e. sport stars for those who are not up to speed) and entertainers – so piss off there.

      Second, the only stat you touch on that is even remotely verifiable is the CEO to worker pay ratio which you have qutoed incorrectly – but we’ll let ya’slide there.

      Third, about this whole CEO hours worked and heart-attack thing – you got stats or is this more of the Team Red BS rhetoric that has zero basis and just pure 100% unadulterated opinon founded on zero fact?  I’m gonna bet the latter.

      And finally, how the hell do you know what I can and cannot do?  How do you know I am not a CEO?  How do you know I don’t already have millions?  The bottom line is you don’t know a damn thing – you just rant cr*p that makes zeros sense and has zero basis.  You remind me of this Dick I used to work with who thought he was really cute with his rhetoric similar to yours but became a little byatch on the court when we played ball.

      Here’s the delio PAB (punk as* byatch) - get your facts straight or **** but quit wastin’ my time…and also PLEASE stop voting…

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      February 18, 2011 @ 6:05 pm

      onewildman,

      We all should not repeatedly engage trolls.  It simply generates more trollisms and wastes all of our time.  Left wing trolls have been spoon fed liberal drivel for so long, they actually believe all the horse puckey they spout. They are idealogs, chugging down their tracks, listening to nobody, their opinion and direction is the only opinion and the only direction. It is usless to to try to use reason, logic and good judgment with them. It falls on deaf ears.

      Don’t pay any attention to them and they will go away.

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 6:22 pm

      Aw come on TRUTHTELER – is that the best you can do?  If what I say is so wrong, then prove it?  I know you can’t but I would love to see you try?

      Can you afford to get cancer?  If you have kids, can you afford to have them get really sick and pay for the medical attention they would require?

      If yes to either of the above, could you do the same if you lost your job (assuming you have a job)?

      And now finally, if you answered yes to all of the above, then do you think all Amercians can do the same?  I am almost sure the answer to this last question is NO – so then I would finally ask, does this not trouble you?

      Let me ask you this, are there no Republicans in Medicare or Social Security?  If these are such horrible programs, then why do any of Team Red take the benefits?  How much do you think the average – not you but the avergae – Republican has in savings?  Do you think they can afford to pay for their retirement?  Do you think that magically, no Republicans filed fopr bnkruptcy or walked away from their house during this financial crisis – you really think it was a bunch of Blues?

      None of these are hard questions so if I am so wound up on “horse-puckey” then bring your facts and answer these questions – prove me wrong…otherwise, you’re part of the problem aren’t you…

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    • ciceroComment by cicero
      February 18, 2011 @ 6:42 pm

      What’s so amazing about this division between the right and the left is that I honestly care about these issues for the benefit of EVERYONE – including you.  I don’t want you – or your bretheren – to ever have to worry about retirement, paying for medical care, or putting food on your table.  I don’t want corporations to suffer only so I get the benefit – I want it for everyone.  But you, you don’t care about fellow Amercians – or at least about folks like me – you don’t care if I get cancer and go under – nor if my kids get sick due to something like a pharma company screwing up and labeling their meds incorrectly.  Your attitude is hey buddy, you live in America so be happy – stuff happens so deal.  I seriously don’t even know how to wrap my head around that…when did things get so fricking bad that we – citizens alike – cannot even agree to help each other.  I don’t want anything for free and I have never taken anything from the government – I served my Country and I work 60+ hours a week – and you probably do as well – so then how do we not agree that we want a better life for us and for our kids?

      Again, if I’m wrong, then prove me so but that’s really what it seems like…

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