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Mormon and gay: Church now says you can be both

October 28, 2016 at 6:52 am 43 News
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The Mormon church said on Tuesday that members of the faith can be gay and acknowledged the existence of transgender people, but LGBT advocates said the statement showed that there was still a long way to go to end discrimination.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) published a new website called Mormon and Gay, featuring video commentary from LDS leader L Whitney Clayton, saying, “I now speak directly to church members who experience same-sex attraction or identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual. We want you to know we love you. You are welcome. We want you to be part of our congregations.”

The mormonandgay.org site, which features testimonials and summaries of church teachings, marks a departure from the previous page called Mormons and Gays, with the subtle switch from plural to singular serving as an apparent recognition that there are people who identify as both gay and Mormon.

But despite the shift in messaging, there have been no changes in policy, with the site reiterating that marriage is “between a man and a woman”, meaning members of the church should not be in same-sex relationships.

The site was unveiled a year after LDS leaders passed an explicitly anti-gay policy barring children of married LGBT couples from being baptized, prompting widespread outrage and reports of a mass exodus from the Mormon church. The rule was adopted after the US legalized same-sex marriage and said that Mormon children of gay parents would have to denounce same-sex cohabitation and leave their family’s house when they turned 18 if they wanted to be baptized.

The web page offers stories from Mormons who identify as gay and acknowledge that having same-sex attractions is not a choice. But the videos also discuss the ways in which gay relationships contradict church teachings, such as the story of Josh, a “gay Mormon” who served a full-time mission and said he has chosen to be celibate.

In a frequently asked questions section titled Why Does the Website Not Discuss Gender Dysphoria or Transgender Issues?, the church acknowledged that “same-sex attraction and gender dysphoria are very different”. The short paragraph offers no explanation of transgender identity but notes that trans people, like gay people, should experience “inclusion and kindness”.

Mormons who are transgender, meaning their gender identities do not match the ones assigned to them at birth, have increasingly spoken out over the past year. But church leaders have largely failed to even acknowledge their existence, and the anti-gay policies have not mentioned trans people in any form.

“I’m glad at least they acknowledge we exist and it’s not the same as sexual orientation,” said Grayson Moore, a 22-year-old Mormon and transgender man. He said he was pleased to hear of the website changes but added, “I hope the church acknowledges and gives respect to relationships other than the one man and one woman structure.”

Jena Peterson, a 39-year-old Mormon woman who identifies as gay, said she was initially going to be featured on the website but ultimately backed out because she feared the video might misrepresent her and send a damaging message to LGBT people.

LGBT Mormons can have faith and believe in themselves and … embrace their sexual orientation as a gift from God

Jena Peterson

Peterson, who lives in Utah, has been married to a straight man for 12 years in what she described as a “mixed orientation marriage”. She said the relationship works for her and her husband who are “best friends” but is not the solution for all LGBT people.

“My concern is that the website gives off the perception that mixed-orientation marriages are doable for anybody when in reality they are not.”

While she said she was pleased to see a Mormon website take on the subject and recognize gay people, she worried that the narratives could be harmful by discouraging people from celebrating their identities.

“I would like LGBT Mormons to know that they can have faith and believe in themselves and … embrace their sexual orientation as a gift from God, not something to be ashamed of.”

Ann Pack, a transgender woman who has tried to stay active in the church, said the website “is a step forward, albeit a very small step forward”. She said that although she supports the message that “we need to love everyone”, the church should not exclude people in same-sex relationships.

“They should be included and welcomed, not just the people who choose to be celibate,” she said.

Moore said he expected more substantial reforms in the future but recognized that it could be many years before meaningful policy changes. “It is my hope that on some timeline, the church will be a safe place for LGBT people.”

A church spokesman declined to comment.

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  1. lyn October 28, 2016 at 8:28 am

    The Bible is THE textbook for following The Creator God’s rules and laws! What does The Bible say about homosexuality?

    ” For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.” Romans 1:26-28
    you cannot be a “Christian” (Mormon) and practice same-sex!

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    • eagleseven
      eagleseven October 28, 2016 at 10:16 am

      This deviant and vile society cannot ask Jesus to adapt to the LGBT lifestyle. Society has to adapt to God’s high moral standards.
      Please shake the dust off your bibles and read 1st Corinthians chapter 6 verses 9-11. Please read specificaly verse 9.
      Also God specificaly states in Genesis chapter 2 verse 24 the only standard for marriage then, now and forever, one man and one woman.
      It does not say Adam and Steve, but Adam and Eve.
      A warning comes from God through the prophet Isaiah in chapter 5 verses 20-21.
      Woe is a word you never want to have God say to you.
      I mean God forbid you let the bible get in the way of how you think or live.
      The pro gay activist judges at the Supreme court will one day have to give an account to the Supreme judge of the universe, Jesus Christ.
      Just a thought..
      P.S. This goes for you too Barack.

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    • 7789361 October 28, 2016 at 11:17 am

      Secular Humanist Christian is an oxymoron. Secular Humanism is an evil religion, which is corrupting our society starting with our youth using adult school teachers, and special interest group activists, by Democrat legislation, and Democrat appointed Injustices decrees. Study The Mormon Quad and you will know for certain that they are a religious cult, just like Secular Humanism.

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    • Scruffy-USN-Retired
      Scruffy-USN-Retired October 28, 2016 at 11:31 am

      It would appear that the Mormon Church has disregarded the Words of GOD and have become nothing more than a cult that serves the evil one and NOT the ways and laws that GOD has laid out.

      Lev 20:13
      13 “‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

      Rom 1:24-27
      24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

      26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

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    • petroskhan October 28, 2016 at 1:19 pm

      Well, you can’t be a Mormon and be Christian anyway, so it’s no real surprise that Mormons would be attempt to pander to the homosexuals to keep them interested in their cult.

      From inception to modern times, the Mormon cult has, to any objective observer, been about one thing, and one thing ony: Money. This is simply the latest step, and it will get worse.

      I give it a few years, and then they will gladly allow their leadership positions to be filled by homosexuals.

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    • ltuser
      ltuser October 28, 2016 at 4:53 pm

      And yet another faith falls to the wayside of lgbtw activism..

      If i was a mormon, i would renounce my faith lickidy split.

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    • godgivenrights October 30, 2016 at 9:15 pm

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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  2. capricorn1 October 28, 2016 at 9:07 am

    lucifer is alive and well in todays america.

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  3. randy822 October 28, 2016 at 9:15 am

    The Mormon religion is an offense to the Lord Jesus. I feel sorry for all who have succumbed to this distorted religion.

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    • baitfish October 29, 2016 at 7:02 am

      mormonism isn’t a “religion”, it is a cult, founded by joseph smith, a con man. It’s beliefs and practices are so far removed from Christianity, it’s a wonder that any conscious person could ever confuse the two.

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  4. jdbixii October 28, 2016 at 9:29 am

    Gays should “take it up” with Jesus. He is the “great physician,” the healer of all diseases. People are taught to discriminate on the basis of “right and wrong,” good and evil, legal and illegal, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical. There are very few people in positions of authority, political or religious, who do not make judgments based on a perception of this definition of discrimination. The sources from which we inform our consciences are far more historical than experiential. It is the purpose of experience to inform us of purpose. This is the fundamental problem with the entire LGBTQ movement. It is a denial of purpose which has attempted to use the legal system to create artificial or contrived alternatives to what has, historically, been proven to be most socially beneficial.
    One need only consider the controversy created by difference to see the truth of this fact.

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  5. columba October 28, 2016 at 11:30 am

    “Mormons who are transgender, meaning their gender identities do not match the ones assigned to them at birth….”

    No. Gender (sex) is assigned at conception, when the child is “assigned” his or her DNA, along with the XY or XX chromosomes that mark the new human being as either male or female. Whether you take this “assignment” to be from God or from Nature, it’s a fact of life. It isn’t an arbitrary “assignment” that someone picks out of the blue after the baby is born.

    We must fight against these weasels words of Newspeak at every opportunity.

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  6. deborahread October 28, 2016 at 11:51 am

    This is one more blatant false representation of the facts by the media.

    Here are a just a couple of them.

    “prompting widespread outrage and reports of a mass exodus from the Mormon church.”
    Seriously? Who? Where? One has to wonder if the writer has a side gig with the (in)credible NY Times.

    “Mormon and gay: Church now says you can be both”
    Really? The policy hasn’t changed at all. In fact, it’s the same as it’s always been. The policy says a person can have the temptation of same-sex attraction and all the related gender identity problems and still be part of the faith. However, It is clear that participating in intimate same-sex relationships still makes the person subject to church discipline including the possibility of excommunication.
    Also, members who publicly denounce church doctrine on this point to advocate gay relationships can be disciplined.

    One problem comes in the definition of “gay.” The Mormons understand “gay’ to be a temptation, not necessarily a lifestyle. Gay advocates use the same word to mean both, but there’s a huge difference.

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    • Snowy October 28, 2016 at 12:26 pm

      I guess anyone can deny anything they want but there is no doubt that if you click on the link in the first paragraph it takes you to a Mormon website entitled Mormon and Gay. A slight change in the title made a huge change in meaning.

      Mormon and Gay on a church website has a very different implication than the old Mormons and Gays.

      The article does say the policy has not changed so it looks like the media got it right for once. Maybe you should take your blame to the “powers that be” in the church. They’re trying to fool someone. Maybe themselves.

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    • deborahread October 28, 2016 at 2:11 pm

      Sorry, Snowy. Not so. I studied journalism and used to write for a newspaper. Granted, the announcement was poorly developed from a PR perspective. But the author of the article purposely led readers to an improper conclusion through innuendo and false information, which I pointed out. I don’t care what organization is being covered, it’s biased reporting. That should be obvious by comments from readers who reached the inaccurate conclusion inferred by the reporter.

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  7. DrGadget October 28, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    We didn’t need yet another reason to not be Mormon, but there it is.

    Rat poison is composed of 99.9% perfectly nutritious rat food and 0.1% poison. It’s that fraction of a percent that kills you.

    Watering down the Word of God with lies is like rat poison. You can have mostly accurate interpretation of Scripture and just a teensy little bit of worldly lies and it will kill you.

    DO NOT add or subtract from what God says. Period.

    Revelation 22:18-19
    [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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  8. kbarnett October 28, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    It has been disappointing reading so many falsehoods about the Mormon church. People like to create negatives about the LDS faith that are simply not true. This new website is meant to remind all members/non-members that they are loved regardless what their sexual orientation is. A true Christian will always love and care about another. That does not mean to say we condone how they are living their lives. Church leaders will continue to love and welcome all members to Church. They will also encourage them to maintain Christs high moral standard whether you are straight or gay. I would never attempt to downgrade another religion. All religions have something good to teach us. I hope that we can always be more tolerant of each others beliefs.

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    • petroskhan October 28, 2016 at 7:07 pm

      “People like to create negatives about the LDS faith that are simply not true.”
      No, people just read the truth about the Mormon religion, and there are plenty of negatives there to make sure that any thinking person would avoid that cult like the plague. For example:
      Joseph Smith was a convicted con man. He also used to claim to people that he could find treasure on their property by using a magic stone placed into a hat, and putting his face into the hat. Of course, he never found any treasure…
      The Bible gives us a test for prophets – and Smith fails that test miserably.
      Joseph Smith also married a woman who was already married, and married a woman and her daughter (both of which are sins, prohibited by the Bible).
      Smith recited the Book of Mormon, word by word, by placing his face into a hat and seeing words magically appear…you know, just like he used to do when looking for treasure.

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    • petroskhan October 28, 2016 at 7:08 pm

      The BoM is supposedly dictated word by word, directly from God Himself, yet there have been around 4,000 corrections made to the book. Why? How could so many errors be in a book dictated so precisely?
      The BoM contains literally dozens of historical, logical, and factual errors; so many that it’s truly laughable.
      Brigham Young stated that no one could enter God’s Kingdom without Joseph Smith’s approval. Funny…I seem to recall that all we needed was the approval of God.
      Brigham Young also fails the test of prophecy, having made numerous erroneous statements, such his proclamation that we would find people just like us on the moon…and the sun.

      So, sorry to break it to you, but no one needs to invent anything. The truth is doing a fine job on its own.

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    • petroskhan October 28, 2016 at 7:08 pm

      As for the website, you said, “This new website is meant to remind all members/non-members that they are loved regardless what their sexual orientation is.”
      That’s not Biblical. There are people that God hates, and fornicators and liars are among them. So, by “loving” them, and not criticizing them, and not warning them about the dangers of their chosen lifestyle, how exactly is that “love”? I don’t think loving someone includes acts and attitudes that will cause that person to be condemned for his actions. In fact, it’s downright selfish; all you’re doing is making youself feel good, like you’re helping, when in fact, your actions are contributing to the continuance of that persons sin.

      “I would never attempt to downgrade another religion.”
      I would, and I do. If a religion is false, and it teaches things contrary to the Word of God, then it deserves to be criticized, people deserve to know the truth, so that they will not be led astray by liars like Joseph Smith, Mohammed and others.

      “I hope that we can always be more tolerant of each others beliefs.”
      Go to a Muslim country with that attitude, and see how far it gets you.

      I tolerate the truth – as does any other Christian. Lies, deceit and false prophecies are the work of Satan, for which I, other Christians, and God Himself, have no tolerance.

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  9. jrchambers October 28, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    “Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.”
    (Heb. 12:14) God expects perfection from no human. However, He does want us to pursue His ways. Followers of Jesus Christ must continue to march to His drum beat, and not to the drum beat of societal changes that attack His word.

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  10. mystic
    mystic October 28, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    I married a man who was raised within the ‘church’. Marrying an outsider, me, made our relationship difficult to say the least. The pressure that exists within that specific ‘religion’ is tantamount to moving mountains with a plastic shovel. I had never met such a group of people who were harder on themselves then LDS people. They are even harder on those who don’t ‘mix’ well into their little congregations.

    That said, the LDS church has been quietly going through large changes. Questions that have lingered for decades are now being addressed. That they are tackling the LGBT atop those questions plaguing them is simply historic in every sense of the term. It is my belief they are trying to salvage what they can of a religion/faith that is tearing into two camps. The latest edict of children of outward gay parents can’t be baptized till 18 and must renounce their parents had to be one of the most harsh edicts the church had ever placed upon their congregation.

    Pray. Pray for a people good of heart and intention, but fail to see they have trapped themselves in a never ending loop of hypocrisy and apostasy against the base Christian faith. Do not let hardness stiffen your neck or heart against a people that are hurting and needing a soft place to land and hear the beautiful word of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

    ~M

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  11. wildfire October 29, 2016 at 8:54 am

    You all are missing the big picture. It’s not enough to say, “I love you and wish you well.” No, you must CELEBRATE, enthusiastically, their chosen lifestyle.

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      eagleseven October 29, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      wildfire:
      You’re joking of course?

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    • wildfire October 29, 2016 at 11:06 pm

      You really don’t get subtle sarcasm do you. The lgbtqrst…will NOT stop making their demands until we fully and enthusiastically embrace a lifestyle they have chosen. God puts obstacles in our way to test us and bring us closer to him. Not to whine and cry while we do whatever we please and say it’s “who” I am.

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    • petroskhan October 30, 2016 at 11:35 am

      Yeah, too bad for them I DON’T love them and wish them well…for the simple reason that I don’t love them as they are, nor do I wish them well in their chosen lifestyles.

      Now, as potential children of God, I would love for them to follow His laws, and I would wish them well (and help them) on the road to Salvation.

      And yeah, I got your sarcasm, I was just answering it with a bit of not-to-subtle disapproval of their whining.

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    • wildfire October 30, 2016 at 11:45 am

      Petroskhan, as a Christian I have no choice but to love everyone. But as my sainted mother would say I don’t have to like them.

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  12. breadncircuses October 29, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    Unlike the federal government, Mormons do not prosecute (or discipline) someone for a thought crime. The church is responding to an issue that has come to the forefront of our culture and its position needs to be more defined than in prior years. 1) the only marriage sanctioned by God is between a man and a woman legally and lawfully wed. 2) Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount said to pray for your enemies. Contemporary gender issues are promoting positions contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but how can one reclaim or give hope to those who have no access to the spiritual gifts found in the Church? Jesus went among the poor, the outcasts, and the lepers to show mercy and compassion to them. Did he justify sin? No. But he showed love. That is what we are called to do as disciples of Christ. Jesus called the scribes and pharisees hypocrites and blind guides. He accused them of swallowing a camel, but straining at a gnat. The LDS church disciplines errant behavior, but holds out hope for the tempted. As we all fall short of the glory of God, and we all rely on the atonement of Christ, let us be patient with those who need our patience. Remember Paul’s thorn in the flesh and our own spiritual infirmities for which we look to Christ for healing.

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    • petroskhan October 30, 2016 at 11:53 am

      “Unlike the federal government, Mormons do not prosecute (or discipline) someone for a thought crime.”

      First off, you sound very much like a Hillary supporter with nonsense like that. I challenge you to provide a single example of the Federal Government prosecuting one single person for a “thought crime”. In fact, I challenge you to list one single thought that is “illegal” under Federal law.

      Secondly, I’d refer you to Matthew 5:21-30. In those verses, Jesus makes it plain that what we think is extremely important; we don’t get a free pass on thoughts, even when they don’t lead to action.

      The Mormon Church’s decision to pander to these sick people, rather than actually helping them, is sickening, and just further evidence (none actually needed) that the Mormon Church is nothing more than a cult, worshipping the Dollar rather than God.

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  13. baitfish October 30, 2016 at 5:46 am

    Read the book, Mountain Meadows Massacre. Then read the book, The Mormon Murders. They will tell you all you need to know about mormonism.

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    • petroskhan October 30, 2016 at 11:37 am

      Haven’t read those books, but I will.

      I read the Book of Mormon, and believe me, THAT collection of tripe is way more than enough to send any sane person running from that ludicrous cult.

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  14. breadncircuses October 30, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    The extra sentencing for “hate crimes” is proof of the government prosecuting thought crimes.

    My 5th great grandfather had been a member of the church for 11 years when he was forced from his home for the 3rd time with no compensation for his property. Some members had been burned out, raped, had their children abused, had their property stolen, and had been slandered by your type of Christian. God judge between thee and me.

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    • petroskhan October 31, 2016 at 9:13 am

      The extra sentencing for a physical act is proof? Try again.

      And I have no idea what your babbling about your ancestor has to do with…well…anything.

      Also, to clear it up, my “type of Christian” is one who follows the Bible, and follows it as closely as humanly possible. You cite acts of theft and violence done towards someone, then claim that it was done by Christians? Okay, do me a favor, would you? Show me where Christ taught that. When you can’t, I shall take it as proof that those who did those acts weren’t Christians.

      And if you have a problem with anything I’ve said about Mormons, show where I’ve stated an untruth. Show where any single thing I’ve said is a lie, and I will retract it.

      And really…”God judge between me and thee”?? So…you’re saying God has to choose between the two of us? You’re…what? Giving the Lord an ultimatum? Dictating terms to the Almighty? LOL Good luck with that.

      Here’s my wish, for you: Study the BIBLE, follow Christ, and leave foolishness behind. I’d like to see you, after God’s Kingdom is established here on earth. The more, the merrier.

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  15. exercise4health October 30, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    Dear GOPUSA friends,

    I don’t comment on this site very often, but read articles here daily and very much enjoy all of your commentary with each article. However, I must say that some few of you have surprised me with your negativity here about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, the Mormons.

    I am very disappointed in the way a few of you have maligned the Mormon church and its members. Although their religious beliefs may be different than yours, practicing members of the LDS church are good people and solid members of society. They are extremely family oriented. They believe in chastity before marriage and complete fidelity after marriage. Faithful practicing Mormons don’t drink alcohol or smoke or drink coffee or tea, or use illicit drugs, with all the attendant health and societal problems that are consequent to those substances. They believe in personal responsibility and self-reliance. Mormons believe in loving their neighbors locally and nationally and internationally and provide amazing and generous humanitarian services locally and worldwide. (continued)

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    • petroskhan October 31, 2016 at 8:52 am

      I’m going to assume I’m one of those who has “disappointed” you with my posts regarding Mormonism, and I’d like to set things straight should someone else, seeking truth, read these posts.

      I don’t “malign” Mormonism, as you put it. I simply point out its truths, which is something Mormons hide. I direct people to the path of God, which is something Mormonism interferes with.

      If you can show, in any way, that anything I’ve stated regarding Mormonism, Joseph Smith, or Brigham Young is false, I will retract it, and even apologize.

      But the facts speak for themselves, and what those facts say is that Mormonism is a cult, plain anad simple, filled with blasphemy, lies and nonsense; the facts show beyond doubt that Smith was a con man and a liar, and Brigham Young no better.

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  16. exercise4health October 30, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    Practicing and faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints are good people, good neighbors, and good citizens. Granted, they are not perfect, and there are exceptions among them with respect to living a life the way Jesus would have them live and keeping the commandments and following the tenets of their religion. However, in general and as individuals and families, what’s not to like about Mormons? Really?

    You may not agree with their unusual beliefs, but I don’t think you can disagree with the fact that Mormons are an exemplary faith-based community and people. If you feel compelled to vigorously criticize the Mormon church and its doctrine and beliefs because you feel the need to save them from themselves, I don’t think your efforts are well-founded. Let them live their lives and be the good members of society that they are, and at least appreciate that aspect of the Mormon church. If you compelled to vigorously criticize the Mormon church and its doctrine and beliefs because of the kind of disdain I have seen in some of these posts, please let it go. (continued)

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    • petroskhan October 31, 2016 at 8:58 am

      You say that Mormons are “good people”, and give your evidence for that. But you fall very short of a couple of things.

      The evidence of the “goodness” of Mormons that you present is, sadly, false. Everything you state regarding them could be said of any group, including Muslims, Catholics and even atheists.

      It is pointedly absent in your melodramatic, chest-thumping prose that Mormons follow Christ’s teaching, and encourage others to do so. The reason for this glaring absence is simple, of course. Mormons do follow the teachings of Christ, they follow the Satanic and blasphemous babblings of Joseph Smith instead.

      And as for “unusual beliefs”…you must be joking. Teaching that God was once a man, and “ascended” to His current level? Teaching that men can, and will, become as God is? Teaching people that admittance to God’s Kingdom requires the consent of Joseph Smith, and practicing polygamy is “unusual” to you? Funny…Christians would call it blasphemy.

      But I guess to a Mormon, adhering to the Bible is an “usual belief”…right?

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  17. exercise4health October 30, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    And by the way, Jesus hated the sin but loved the sinner, as evidenced by his loving protection and treatment of the woman taken in adultery.

    The LDS church is trying to reach out and express Christ-like love for those who have same-gender attraction, without altering their standards regarding the behaviors of those who have same-gender attraction and engage in same-gender physical intimacy. The LDS church is definitely not accepting or condoning same-gender intimacy, or intimacy outside the bonds of male-female marriage.

    Hate and ridicule and judgment have no place in the gospel of Jesus Christ. My friends, please encourage and promote Christ-like living, always, but please don’t hate on people. Expressing hate toward those with same-gender attraction and toward those of other faiths doesn’t do any good and lessens your own standing as good Christians. Despise the sin, but don’t hate the sinner. We all have faults and weaknesses and sins of varying degree and type, and only the Savior can bring us home to Him. Let’s leave the judgment to Him who is perfect and has perfect love.

    Your friend,

    E4H

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  18. petroskhan October 31, 2016 at 9:04 am

    As to the woman “taken in adultery” apparently you missed a major point of that story. Jewish law required that both parties be present for judgment to be passed – only the woman was present. The “trap” the Pharisees attempted to spring on Christ was, in large part, a technicality of the law. Had He stated that the woman should be stoned, then the Law would have been violated. But He instead turned it around on them, and very nicely at that.

    We are to be like Christ, and love our brothers and sisters…but who ARE they? They are those who seek His path, as we do; they are those who are trying to come to God by following in the footsteps of the One who showed came to die for us.

    But, nowhere in the Bible will you find a single verse that tells us to condone sin, or to turn a blind eye to evil. And THAT is what the Mormon cult is based upon – sin, and turning a blind eye to evil.

    The Bible tells us that people will come to call evil good, and good, evil. I couldn’t agree more, and I see it all around me in the world today. In that sense, you are most correct – Mormons are “good” people…truly, they are the “fruits” of Joseph Smith’s labor.

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    • wildfire October 31, 2016 at 6:40 pm

      I have to disagree with you on one point. “They” are ALL of humanity. Jesus loved all of his Father’s creations, without exception.

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    • petroskhan October 31, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      wildfire – So, you’re saying that Christ disagreed with God?

      Interesting theology you’ve got there.

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    • wildfire November 1, 2016 at 12:39 am

      Are you really saying that God doesn’t love all of his creations?

      Are you the kind of parent that turns on and off their love for their children depending on how they are pleasing you?

      Have you ever truly read God’s word?

      Not once does the New Testament qualify who we should love.

      And FYI, Jesus, his Father, and the Holy Spirit are One. So, they never contradict each other.

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  19. exercise4health October 31, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Petro, it looks like you have a little too much time on your hands and a little to much hate in your heart. You remind me of the kind of Christian who ought to be walking around wearing a lapel button that says “I love Jesus, but I hate you.”

    No sense arguing point-by-point with your opinions, half-truths, conjecture and outright falsehoods, which you profer as fact. It’s obvious you’re not going to let go your animosity and religious bigotry, which you smother in self-righteous platitudes and justify with your own tortuous interpretation of the Bible and Christian teachings and beliefs.

    All my best to you and your family.

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